My 3 word player analysis V Collingwood

[JTR 2,846]

Spargo - needs a rest

[gOLLy 401]

Jones is [censored].

[WERRIDEE 5,479]

Pedersen - Worst on ground

O.McDonald - Pathetic on Cox

T.McDonald - Only good player

[RalphiusMaximus 6,076]

Very harsh on Gawn.  He smashed Grundy for most of the match, to the point that they stopped letting him take centre bounces and put Cox in there instead.  Grundy racked up some cheap numbers rucking against Pedersen which makes his stats look more respectable, but the only thing he had over Gawn today was his tackle count. 

[Micksdemons 131]

42 minutes ago, gOLLy said:

Jones is [censored].

So are you 

[Micksdemons 131]

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I'll echo the others and say you were very harsh on Smith.

Also Gus sacrificed himself today to tag Phillips out of the game.  It meant he wasn't as prolific with the ball, but Phillips has been on fire and he shut him completely out of the game.  He deserves some credit for that.

Gus tagged who - hunter or hunted ?

[Big Demon 197]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting coaching move to put your most recently prolific ball getter in a tagging role.

Needs to be analysed a little more methinks

I’m not sure how many of you were actually at the match but outside of the centre bounce Brayshaw was never within 20 metres of Phillips so I doubt he was tagging him unless he is as blind as a bat.

[Diamond_Jim 12,597]

1 hour ago, Big Demon said:

I’m not sure how many of you were actually at the match but outside of the centre bounce Brayshaw was never within 20 metres of Phillips so I doubt he was tagging him unless he is as blind as a bat.

Wiseblood put that forward as the reason why Brayshaw played a low possession game.

I listened to the match so please correct us if this was wrong.

[Big Demon 197]

7 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Wiseblood put that forward as the reason why Brayshaw played a low possession game.

I listened to the match so please correct us if this was wrong.

Absolutely wrong, as I said aside from the centre bounces they were nowhere near each other, Brayshaw was standing around watching Oliver, Viney, Harmes and Jones bust their balls trying to win the game for him. If he really had of had a role he might have found the energy to lay a single tackle some time over 120 minutes.

[Demon17 5,188]

9 hours ago, Big Demon said:

I’m not sure how many of you were actually at the match but outside of the centre bounce Brayshaw was never within 20 metres of Phillips so I doubt he was tagging him unless he is as blind as a bat.

Correct. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,816]

Smith - deer in headlights. (But, definitely showed enough to persist with him. It must be hard for inexperienced players to transition from VFL to AFL level football. Loved his desire and his effort but he doesn't know what to do with the ball when he has it. Nevertheless, I saw enough to believe he can make it.)

Pedersen - retirement beckons, soon

Lewis - clearly our best. (Why do we mark him so hard when he makes a couple of disposal errors when so much of his disposal was first rate?)

[poita 3,902]

I honestly don't understand why the same old sad sacks read this thread when they know what they are going to get each week.

For what its worth I think joeboy consistently does an excellent job and I thank him for his contribution.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Why does everyone think Grundy got Gawn? I didn't notice one ruck get a serious hold of the other on the day. Stats aren't everything but they support this. 5 more hitouts to Grundy, Gawk kicked a goal. Also, Grundy's great strength is getting touches around the ground, and Gawn beat him on that count too.

[SFebes 4,884]

41 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Why does everyone think Grundy got Gawn? I didn't notice one ruck get a serious hold of the other on the day. Stats aren't everything but they support this. 5 more hitouts to Grundy, Gawk kicked a goal. Also, Grundy's great strength is getting touches around the ground, and Gawn beat him on that count too.

I agree, it ended up being a scrap and on that note broke even, fizzer IMO.

[Biffen 12,944]

Fritsch-Have a spell.

[demoniac 1,333]

4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Smith - deer in headlights. (But, definitely showed enough to persist with him. It must be hard for inexperienced players to transition from VFL to AFL level football. Loved his desire and his effort but he doesn't know what to do with the ball when he has it. Nevertheless, I saw enough to believe he can make it.)

Pedersen - retirement beckons, soon

Lewis - clearly our best. (Why do we mark him so hard when he makes a couple of disposal errors when so much of his disposal was first rate?)

How would you rate his defensive pressure and his rebound? Both fundamental for a medium defender in 2018. 

[demoniac 1,333]

Jesse Hogan is simply not competitive in the air when the ball comes in high and he is flat footed.

At his best when on the move which makes in a Centre Half Forward  for mine.

Weidemann in for Pederson to play Full Forward and give Gawny a rest. Hogan to Centre Half Forward . Tommy Mac roaming the forward half.

[hemingway 7,628]

24 minutes ago, Biffen said:

Fritsch-Have a spell.

He is not alone, that's the problem.

Other than for injury, we don't have the capacity to drop all the players that need a spell. 

[hemingway 7,628]

15 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Jesse Hogan is simply not competitive in the air when the ball comes in high and he is flat footed.

At his best when on the move which makes in a Centre Half Forward  for mine.

Weidemann in for Pederson to play Full Forward and give Gawny a rest. Hogan to Centre Half Forward . Tommy Mac roaming the forward half.

Agreed. 

Weed in. 

At the present rate, Maxy will not get through the season. Fatigue or injury shadows him with every game.

Weed in will at least provide him with some relief.

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,816]

42 minutes ago, demoniac said:

How would you rate his defensive pressure and his rebound? Both fundamental for a medium defender in 2018. 

Do you mean Smith or Lewis?

[Macca 17,006]

20 hours ago, joeboy said:

Jones - totally lacked finesse

Viney - taught a lesson

Hannan - was mostly irrelevant 

Harmes - probably not playing

Neal-Bullen - was rarely noticed

Gawn - tried but overwhelmed

Oliver - prolific but wasteful

Brayshaw - no heroics today

Spargo - bambi amongst wolves

Petracca - continued disappointing season

Salem - rarely imbued confidence

@joeboy 

The above edited post is to highlight our midfield presence (or lack of)

Obviously not all of the above players played in the midfield all day but all ran through the central part of the ground either periodically or for a greater part of the day.

I may have missed 1 or 2 players and/or included 1 or 2 who may have predominantly played back or forward but the reality is that not one player had a stand-out day or was highly influential. 

I don't necessarily agree with your individual appraisals either but you're not far off the mark (as a collective) so its academic anyway. 

We were taken to the cleaners by their midfield - clearance numbers ...

• 8 - Adams
• 7 - Treloar
• 6 - Oliver
• 5 - Mayne
• 5 - Sidebottom
• 4 - Grundy
• 4 - de Goey
• 4 - Viney

Edited June 12, 2018 by Macca

[PartyTimeJohnny 537]

19 hours ago, joeboy said:

Jones - totally lacked finesse

Viney - taught a lesson

T.McDonald - wonderful second half

Hannan - was mostly irrelevant 

Harmes - probably not playing

Neal-Bullen - was rarely noticed

Fritsch - not the worst

Gawn - tried but overwhelmed

Oliver - prolific but wasteful

Brayshaw - no heroics today

Hogan - slow and confused

Melksham - lost at sea

Spargo - bambi amongst wolves

Hibberd - fumbled and erred

Jetta - loose and slow

Lewis - tried but friendless

O.McDonald - close to horrible

Pedersen - game has passed

Petracca - continued disappointing season

Salem - rarely imbued confidence 

Smith - little to commend

Vince - gave us nothing 

conclusion of this BS

When we lose everyone played bad and when we win everyone was great.