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Edited March 22, 20187 yr by Grapeviney

Not good, but better to just get them right for the second half of the season rather than risk longer term damage.

Viney's been out for a mighty long time now.  Looking more and more like another Trengove issue.  Viney's facia was mis-managed IMO coming out and training / playing again way too early from many reports.  Yet another nail in Misson's coffin.  Not sure how he is still there.

but Viney was going to play Round 1 .......

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Viney's been out for a mighty long time now.  Looking more and more like another Trengove issue.  Viney's facia was mis-managed IMO coming out and training / playing again way too early from many reports.  Yet another nail in Misson's coffin.  Not sure how he is still there.

Trengove was out for 2 years..... a long way off that at the moment.

1-2 weeks to deload, 1-2 weeks to rehab, 2 weeks to train/play. Think if it goes well Tom can be back under the 6 week mark. Just hoping for no further set backs for Jack.

I'm Now LIVID that the early return of last year has now jeopardised not only his season but also the club in general.

Whoever endorsed this last year took too much of a risk with now serious consequences.

Not that T Macs news is that much better.

Time for Pedo or Weeds to step up!

Lewis, Vince and, Tyson Jones will need to step in to help cover Viney in the middle.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that like TMac, Viney's issue is with his toe - that is, unrelated to his original foot issue.  So for those going on about his facia issue being mis-managed, you may be off the mark.  This appears to possibly be an unfortunate coincidence.

Edited March 22, 20187 yr by hardtack

 

They have both had the whole pre-season to get it right. Perhaps some posters are right about Viney and his injury could be worse than publicized - certainly looking that way. Luckily we do have players desperate to play and will get their chance to step up.

9 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Trengove was out for 2 years..... a long way off that at the moment.

Not looking good though Dom.  No pre-season means a very average year at best IF he gets back with enough time to impact. A massive blow on our prospects.  The decision to bring him back now looks like a disaster.  Misson is the last of the Neeld appointments (correct me if wrong).  Time to look elsewhere me thinks.

Edited March 22, 20187 yr by Rusty Nails

What the hell is it with the Mfc and foot injuries!!!

ffs I’m over it. 

See u next season boys (viney and TMac that is). 

Edited March 22, 20187 yr by DemonOX

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

What the hell is it with the Mfc and foot injuries!!!

ffs I’m over it. 

See u next season boys. 

dramatic much. see ya

10 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Viney's been out for a mighty long time now.  Looking more and more like another Trengove issue.  Viney's facia was mis-managed IMO coming out and training / playing again way too early from many reports.  Yet another nail in Misson's coffin.  Not sure how he is still there.

I suspect the damage was dome whilst playing with the plantar injury, while he was favoring that injury, loaded up other areas of the foot. Until he could no longer go on and had the snip.

Coming back too soon following surgery compounded what was already done to the foot.  Far too brave to point of S^%&%^_

I hope he gets out of this period, without any long-term damage.

 

Its not Misson's fault, he does what he's told or asked to do.  Its the player who wants to continue. Sometimes trying to stop them is almost impossible.

Young Viney will have learned by now.

 

The club right now.. the young list are witnessing and learning to be smarter. An important step for the club.

2 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

What the hell is it with the Mfc and foot injuries!!!

ffs I’m over it. 

See u next season boys. 

Wasn't Clarke also impacted from similar at one stage that kept him off the park for a while?  Obviously had many other issues but seem to recall this was also part of the mix.

5 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I seem to recall reading somewhere that like TMac, Viney's issue is with his toe - that is, unrelated to his original foot issue.  So for those going on about his facia issue being mis-managed, you may be off the mark.  This appears to possibly be an unfortunate coincidence.

I doubt it...

2 very important players missing. Not a good start. believing what footy clubs tell their supporters is akin to believing politicians.

it'll be very interesting to see what the club does about our injury management and medical expertise

it seems more and more that there is an issue with that aspect of the club

Viney is not innocent in this. You can call Misson a liar, which I do frequently, but the patient has equal culpability in this. The Docs can only listen to what their patients are telling them. Viney was too eager to get back and told his own lies to convince the medicos that he was right. He is now paying for this. Let's hope he gets back. It's not ideal, but unlike many other seasons, there are players waiting for a spot in the team who are capable. 

Colin Garland missed all but one game of 2009 with a foot injury after numerous setbacks, and came back to have one of his best seasons in 2010. We've seen that foot injuries are notoriously hard to manage because of the amount of force the foot is required to bear, everything can seem fine until it comes time to put heavy load on. I don't think the club has been lying, rather that there was no certainty around it.

This is clearly disappointing news, but I'm still prepared to reserve my outrage or panic for the time being.

1 minute ago, dl4e said:

2 very important players missing. Not a good start. believing what footy clubs tell their supporters is akin to believing politicians.

That may in part be true, but football injuries are a bit of a movable feast, they seem to get better then complications arise, the club may be telling the truth and all of a sudden the situation changes.

We don't know what happened and probably never will but I don't think the club would be stupid enough to let players endanger their future by playing them when they were injured.

Who do we blame for Tom?

Seriously though, without being called on MFCSS or whatever, this club can't take a trick. Every year we have good players go down, often before the season starts and for extended periods.

As someone said on another thread, last year we lost 168 games of player availability due to injury and 70 to our best 6. How the hell do you win games with those injuries and especially to your key players.

No wonder the Tigers with not an injury and a soft draw, did so well in an even competition.

It is also why I regard pre season reports as useless as we are always training the house down and come the first game the injuries are there.

End of rant, Go Dees. Luckily our depth is far deeper.

11 minutes ago, DV8 said:

I suspect the damage was dome whilst playing with the plantar injury, while he was favoring that injury, loaded up other areas of the foot. Until he could no longer go on and had the snip.

Coming back too soon following surgery compounded what was already done to the foot.  Far too brave to point of S^%&%^_

I hope he gets out of this period, without any long-term damage.

 

Its not Misson's fault, he does what he's told or asked to do.  Its the player who wants to continue. Sometimes trying to stop them is almost impossible.

Young Viney will have learned by now.

 

The club right now.. the young list are witnessing and learning to be smarter. An important step for the club.

All player loads and recovery loads are tightly controlled by the fitness / recovery team now DV.  The Players stepping outside and doing their own recovery regime etc is old school thinking.  Buck stops with Misson in terms of when/how much/how little/methods etc.  Coaching staff are very much in the hands of the Elite performance manager's view (and club doctor) on all such matters once a significant injury and/or health issue is diagnosed.

Edited March 22, 20187 yr by Rusty Nails

5 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Colin Garland missed all but one game of 2009 with a foot injury after numerous setbacks, and came back to have one of his best seasons in 2010. We've seen that foot injuries are notoriously hard to manage because of the amount of force the foot is required to bear, everything can seem fine until it comes time to put heavy load on. 

This is clearly disappointing news, but I'm still prepared to reserve my outrage or panic for the time being.

I assume he did that with a full pre-season (or close to it) though Nasher.  Players rarely have a substantial impact if they miss a decent part or all of a pre-season, and certainly less so if they are starting as late as Jack 'might' IF he gets back when we are being told Is likely.

Edited March 22, 20187 yr by Rusty Nails