Andrew Leoncelli - Hero

[hemingway 7,627]

Fearless on the field and it would now appear fearless off the field.

On the field he always put his body on the line and injury wise suffered for it. His instinctive reaction was to go after the ball without thinking about the consequences..

One of the most hard at it Demon players over recent generations.

And one to have beside you in the trenches. In this world of anxiety, fear and folks turning the other way, we need more like him in this world. 

Other than for the Demon faithful, always underrated by the football world.  But not underrated in life and things that really matter.

 

 

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

20 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

I like the Krispy Kreme doughnut theory....

HOLY HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT!

[John Crow Batty 8,863]

15 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

You must be Joking ! Itd be Freezing.

So, what has many legs and is toothless ??????¿

The cops who waited outside the airplane?

[jnrmac 20,087]

The cops said they thought there was a bomb on board so they waited 90mins. Holy cow. Probably looking for an Arabic translator and a sensitivity consultant on the assumption it was you-know-who.....

Hard to know what you would have done being on the plane but I am surprised no-one opened up the door and got the **** out of there.

 

[daisycutter 29,616]

Just now, jnrmac said:

The cops said they thought there was a bomb on board so they waited 90mins. Holy cow. Probably looking for an Arabic translator and a sensitivity consultant on the assumption it was you-know-who.....

Hard to know what you would have done being on the plane but I am surprised no-one opened up the door and got the **** out of there.

 

guess the cops will need counselling now 

[beelzebub 23,377]

Melbourne Airport

Tactical Response Team

( in full flight  ) 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

Since everyone here seems to have been fully appraised of the situation, what was the information at that time that had been passed onto the police? 

Unfortunately it's not like the movies, the tactical operators aren't just going to run in guns blazing without having a full briefing of the situation.

There's a lot more that goes into a situation like this than what anyone here can appreciate, especially given the mention of a bomb and the plane being blown up. 

By all means though, sit back behind the safety of your phone or computer and continue to make quality donut jokes.

Edited June 1, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[beelzebub 23,377]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

Since everyone here seems to have been fully appraised of the situation, what was the information at that time that had been passed onto the police? 

Emergency....out of donuts

[daisycutter 29,616]

8 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Since everyone here seems to have been fully appraised of the situation, what was the information at that time that had been passed onto the police? 

Unfortunately for tactical operators it's not just a case of going in blind with guns blazing like the movies. 

Roles and responsibilities have to be given out, op orders have to briefed and operators need to know the layout of the scene. There's a lot more that goes into a situation like this than what people think. 

By all means though, sit back behind the safety of your phone or computer and continue to make quality donut jokes.

90 minutes (after landing), ethan?

full communications with plane (including 60 minutes of return journey). perp all trussed up. his "bomb" toy separated

i think i know who the jokers were

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

4 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

90 minutes (after landing), ethan?

full communications with plane (including 60 minutes of return journey). perp all trussed up. his "bomb" toy separated

i think i know who the jokers were

Unfortunately that's what it takes. If something were to go wrong and they didn't have a thorough briefing covering all scenario's, they'd be held accountable. 

Edited June 1, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[beelzebub 23,377]

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

90 minutes (after landing), ethan?

full communications with plane (including 60 minutes of return journey). perp all trussed up. his "bomb" toy separated

i think i know who the jokers were

Exactly.

[beelzebub 23,377]

Just now, Ethan Tremblay said:

Unfortunately that's what it takes. If something were to go wrong and they didn't have a thorough briefing covering all scenario's, they'd be held accountable. 

Protocol would have it the Fedz would instigate live comms with the flight. Anything they wanted to know could be assessed and communicated.

This smells like an absolute schmozzle

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

"Refused to appear in court"

"Fears for his safety in custody"

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Protocol would have it the Fedz would instigate live comms with the flight. Anything they wanted to know could be assessed and communicated.

This smells like an absolute schmozzle

You make it sound so simple BB! 

Edited June 1, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

Guardian Report:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jun/01/police-defend-delay-in-removing-passengers-in-melbourne-plane-drama

“So once we were satisfied we were dealing with one [person] and device that was looking increasingly unlikely to be an explosive device, the decision was made to get the passengers off, and that was done. I think that entire time was about 90 minutes but certainly appreciate, when you are on a plane in that situation, one minute can seem like an hour.

“I understand if you are on a plane in that situation, it could seem like a long wait, in particular with a lot of unknowns. Those unknowns, we were trying to respond as safely as possible for all the passengers and crew on board ... There were 337 passengers on that plane, plus crew, and we could have had avery serious incid

“That was avoided through having a proper approach to getting the passengers off.”

He added that, if the incident had occurred in the US or Europe, “they’d probably still be on the plane now”.

Somehow I think the Commissioner is going to regret that last little statement.

[beelzebub 23,377]

Sounds like a lot of high brow spin about to come our way.

 

[jackaub 1,402]

20 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Unfortunately that's what it takes. If something were to go wrong and they didn't have a thorough briefing covering all scenario's, they'd be held accountable. 

Ethan are you in the job?

The cops here are amongst the worst in the world in my opinion

Zero leadership and absolutely risk averse 

Springfield looks well policed in comparisonWhat a joke!!

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

2 hours ago, Chris said:

Take10 minutes for a situation analysis by the SOG and planning (questions like is the bloke armed, is he restrained, what does the 'bomb' look like etc) from the 80 minutes, some more time for nullifying any risks (such as triggered doors etc that I mentioned earlier), this might be another 10 minutes by the time the crew of the plain check doors etc, and there are still another missing 60 minutes!

What the hell were they doing for this hour!

When they realised who they were dealing with, the sergeant in charge went home to get his old Demons jumper (with 36 on the back) for an autograph.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

22 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Ethan are you in the job?

The cops here are amongst the worst in the world in my opinion

Zero leadership and absolutely risk averse 

Springfield looks well policed in comparisonWhat a joke!!

What other countries Police forces have you had interaction with? The worst in the world is the British police IMO. 

The leadership from the hierarchy is an issue no doubt, the officers on the ground don't trust them and know they won't back them up in the event something doesn't go right. 

We're now in a country where police are being sued civilly and also charged from within and lack backing from the general public. I can certainly understand the reluctancy for them to make a decision or get hands on. 

Edited June 1, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay

[beelzebub 23,377]

As it happens... A mate is an AFP member. Just quietly ( looks around fervently ) thinks soneones in for a bit of a talk

Shhhhh 

[Beetle 4,660]

40 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Ethan are you in the job?

The cops here are amongst the worst in the world in my opinion

Zero leadership and absolutely risk averse 

Springfield looks well policed in comparisonWhat a joke!!

Thanks for your expert opinion.

[hemingway 7,627]

12 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

What other countries Police forces have you had interaction with? The worst in the world is the British police IMO. 

The leadership from the hierarchy is an issue no doubt, the officers on the ground don't trust them and know they won't back them up in the event something doesn't go right. 

We're now in a country where police are being sued civilly and also charged from within and lack backing from the general public. I can certainly understand the reluctancy for them to make a decision or get hands on. 

Thankless task. Those at the coal face put their bodies and lives on the line in an increasingly dangerous world. 

In the old days they would "walk the beat" to break up fights and maintain order. Most louts stopped when they saw the boys in blue. However, police are now subjected to unprovoked attacks from gangs and simply those under the influence alcohol and drugs. They are also at the front line of terrorist attacks and attacks from deranged individuals many of whom carry weapons. 

In the City of Melbourne, it has become increasingly difficult to roster police to walk the beat because of unprovoked attacks. They are increasingly required to bring in officers from the wider metropolitan area and even country stations.  

Like all organizations there are some rotten apples but the majority of police officers are decent individuals with all the same feelings and attitudes like the rest of us. 

Unfortunately,  have a high rate of suicide, PTSD and other mental health issues and many leave the force never to work again. 

Most of us would not last a day in the job. 

[beelzebub 23,377]

5 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Thankless task. Those at the coal face put their bodies and lives on the line in an increasingly dangerous world. 

In the old days they would "walk the beat" to break up fights and maintain order. Most louts stopped when they saw the boys in blue. However, police are now subjected to unprovoked attacks from gangs and simply those under the influence alcohol and drugs. They are also at the front line of terrorist attacks and attacks from deranged individuals many of whom carry weapons. 

In the City of Melbourne, it has become increasingly difficult to roster police to walk the beat because of unprovoked attacks. They are increasingly required to bring in officers from the wider metropolitan area and even country stations.  

Like all organizations there are some rotten apples but the majority of police officers are decent individuals with all the same feelings and attitudes like the rest of us. 

Unfortunately,  have a high rate of suicide, PTSD and other mental health issues and many leave the force never to work again. 

Most of us would not last a day in the job. 

Al true

Irrelevant to the days fiasco

Agree with sentiment

[Pates 9,660]

So a friend of mine was on that plane, I haven't spoken to him yet though I'm just glad it all worked out ok. 

I think the response time of the police and the time on the ground once they landed was too long but I'm sure all the steps they took were 100% going with protocol to ensure the safety of the passengers. Even though they were probably sure it was one man who was just a nutter and posed no threat of course they would need to go through the check list to make sure he wasn't acting in consort with someone else and that storming the plane won't put lives at risk. 

A security analyst mentioned that one of the delays was probably waiting for tactical response teams, maybe we need to consider having a contingent of tactical response units at the airport in the same way we have the fire crew there on site. 99.99% of the time they won't ever be needed, but for that one incident where they are then they are already there. 

Much like the Lindt cafe siege this needs to be properly reviewed to decide how we deal with any future situations. This doesn't mean drag the officers and leaders over hot coals but just that we should always look to improve. 

[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Al true

Irrelevant to the days fiasco

Agree with sentiment

You forgot to mention donuts BB! I think you've mentioned them in all of your posts so far, they must be relevant!

Edited June 1, 2017 by Ethan Tremblay