TEAM SELECTION AND MATCH PREVIEW - ROUND SEVEN

[old55 21,356]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

If Tyson is left out of the 22 I'll 100% accept your explanation and eat big humble pie.  But I think he will be in and rotate through the midfield.

[Pates 9,537]

44 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

show me the afl rule that a non-extended bench player can't be omitted for someone else on the extended bench

I'm pretty sure you're correct in that it is essentially a squad list and the teams put forward a team sheet with names on it nothing more. Nev Jetta could line up in the forward pocket and we could swap Hogan into defence, it's not set. 

But generally speaking if your in the "starting 18" you will be playing. The extended bench is usually where they drop names from. JKH will very likely play. 

My prediction for the final bench will be Salem, Tyson, ANB, and Stretch. 

Kent needs to back up his game at Casey with a repeat performance, he doesn't seem to have much consistency. I don't see us needing OMac, unless they want to play TMac as a relief ruck at times and need another defender for Roughead. But with Frost and Watts as back up rucks, and Pederson can drop back into defence if needed, I think we'd be too top heavy with Oscar in. 

I'll probably be completely wrong though!

[Binmans PA 26,225]

8 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

If Tyson is left out of the 22 I'll 100% accept your explanation and eat big humble pie.  But I think he will be in and rotate through the midfield.

No way Tyson goes out. Wasn't the point I was inferring.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

2 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

If Tyson is left out of the 22 I'll 100% accept your explanation and eat big humble pie.  But I think he will be in and rotate through the midfield.

His last very good game was against Hawthorn. Fingers crossed for another one. 

[DeeZee 6,758]

11 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

Tyson is in the midfield rotation. By definition they can't all be on the ground at once.  The named starters are Vince, Viney and Oliver - I'm fine with him not being named ahead of them.  What position do you expect to see him named in - fullback?

Yes Einstein

[Pates 9,537]

4 minutes ago, A F said:

I reckon we're more likely to struggle a bit this week and put out a really good performance against Adelaide. Can't wait for the Crows game.

Or, heaven forbid, we back up a really good showing this weekend with another against Adelaide.

Let's stick with the old cliche of "one week at a time". Let's deal with the Hawks, they'll be under fire after last week and people questioning their resolve. Hope Lewis smashes them, will be interesting to see if the Hawks fans boo him. 

8 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Hope Frawley has a shocker on Hogan.

I just hope when Hogan first gets a hold of the ball the Demon fans give him a big cheer and if/when he kicks his first goal the boys really get around him. 

[titan_uranus 22,451]

I think dropping Melksham is the right decision.

Not entirely sure who comes off the extended bench (yes, they always do. There might be a late change on Sunday but for the purposes of tomorrow, the three emergencies are three of the current 7 on the bench). I'm certain it won't be Salem. The rest, less certain.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

54 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

show me the afl rule that a non-extended bench player can't be omitted for someone else on the extended bench

Thanks DC i just wasted an hour looking for the bl00dy rule. I can't cut and paste it on my phone for some reason.

http://m.afl.com.au/policies

Click on AFL Regulations and it is regulation 12.2 (b) (i) on page 39

 

[Binmans PA 26,225]

9 minutes ago, Pates said:

Let's stick with the old cliche of "one week at a time". Let's deal with the Hawks, they'll be under fire after last week and people questioning their resolve. Hope Lewis smashes them, will be interesting to see if the Hawks fans boo him. 

I guess my point was we're more likely to play poorly against Hawthorn and better against Adelaide. Let's hope we can deliver both weeks.

And I think they'll cheer him. He was effectively pushed out. He didn't walk.

[pinkshark 935]

1 minute ago, Pates said:

Let's stick with the old cliche of "one week at a time". Let's deal with the Hawks, they'll be under fire after last week and people questioning their resolve. Hope Lewis smashes them, will be interesting to see if the Hawks fans boo him. 

I just hope when Hogan first gets a hold of the ball the Demon fans give him a big cheer and if/when he kicks his first goal the boys really get around him. 

I can't see that happening

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

5 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thanks DC i just wasted an hour looking for the bl00dy rule. I can't cut and paste it on my phone for some reason.

http://m.afl.com.au/policies

Click on AFL Regulations and it is regulation 12.2 (b) (i) on page 39

 

My reading. It can resubmit by 5 pm tomorrow. No foul possibly

[In Harmes Way 7,541]

12 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thanks DC i just wasted an hour looking for the bl00dy rule. I can't cut and paste it on my phone for some reason.

http://m.afl.com.au/policies

Click on AFL Regulations and it is regulation 12.2 (b) (i) on page 39

 

Well done wrecker! I spent 30 mins looking and gave up

Interestingly the reg doesn't say the starting 18 have to be the same starting 18 between first and final lodgement, but I think it is inferred (as with most things AFL, open to interpretation)

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by small but forward
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[Deemented Are Go! 3,602]

10 minutes ago, pinkshark said:

I can't see that happening

 

Which one? Hogan kicking a goal?! 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

7 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

My reading. It can resubmit by 5 pm tomorrow. No foul possibly

Yeah agree it is not clear that the 18 players named the first time on the ground have to be the same in the second lodgement but as small but forward says it is inferred albeit not very well.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

I'd like Hogan to play a bit of a decoy role, drag the defenders away and we hit up an in-form Petracca. Or Hannan. We were unpredictable last time we played them and it worked a treat. 

[What 18,810]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

 

Bench...  Tyson, Wagner, Stretch and Salem!

Agreed.

Happy to see Wagner back. Even if he doesnt make the cut this week it will be very soon. Thought his debut season was very underrated, not many first year players show that sort of composure especially off half back (although he was mature aged). He found the ball with ease, showed good foot skills and laid a lot of tackles. He can play on taller forwards too which is a bonus.

Basically, a huge upgrade on Melksham and O Mac.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Petraccattack

[Gator 16,893]

1 hour ago, rjay said:

 

 

Not trying to be a smart a....

...but is there a rule that they can't omit someone from the 18?

If not it wouldn't surprise me to see a change or changes this week.

 

No, which is I used the word "virtually".

 I've seen it done before, but it's highly unlikely.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

9 hours ago, DubDee said:

Anyone else feel uneasy with us suddenly being heavy favourites to beat the Hawks when we have been smashed by them for a decade? very unnerving

but then you look at their team and there is not much to fear. Their inside midfield was not great last year but now without Lewis and Mitchell it is poor. They lost run with Hill and their older guys look very old this year.

Absolutely. Feels weird. And not in a good way.

I loved comparing the benches. Obviously their 18 will have names. Every club has a Salary Cap they spend on the highest currency players in the League. Cyril, Smith, Breust, Gunston... But check out their extended interchange vs ours...

Us: Salem, Tyson, Stretch, Kent, ANB, OMac, Wagner.

Them: Sicily, Hartung, Whitecross, Brand, Langford, Howe, Hardwick.

Man that makes for pretty reading.

[Gator 16,893]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thanks DC i just wasted an hour looking for the bl00dy rule. I can't cut and paste it on my phone for some reason.

http://m.afl.com.au/policies

Click on AFL Regulations and it is regulation 12.2 (b) (i) on page 39

 

Great get, Wrecker.

I'm not sure if it covers whether a player named in the squad of 18, i.e. non emergency, can be removed from the starting squad, although I recognise insinuation by definition.

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by ProDee

[Radar Detector 1,339]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thanks DC i just wasted an hour looking for the bl00dy rule. I can't cut and paste it on my phone for some reason.

http://m.afl.com.au/policies

Click on AFL Regulations and it is regulation 12.2 (b) (i) on page 39

 

Interesting that rule still provides for the sub!

[BarnDee 286]

14 hours ago, demonstone said:

I believe it's also free to air on Channel 7.

bloody hope so 

[daisycutter 28,580]

41 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thanks DC i just wasted an hour looking for the bl00dy rule. I can't cut and paste it on my phone for some reason.

http://m.afl.com.au/policies

Click on AFL Regulations and it is regulation 12.2 (b) (i) on page 39

 

thank you wrecker, good job,and i'm sorry you spent a whole hour searching. i have pasted below the relevant sections.

 

The section in green seems to support your claim, however (at least to me) the wording in its entirety (including the wording for final list on friday) is a bit ambiguous and poorly written (what's new for afl). Additionally it seems out of date as it includes reference to substitute players. Finally the Sanctions section makes no reference to a fine for omitting a player from the thursday 18 "player position list" on friday (as long as the replacement is part of the thursday named 25 players full list.

If I was a coach i reckon i could drive a truck through those loosely worded "regulations" if i wanted to play funny buggers with the opposition

P.S. i've never doubted that standard practice has been (in last few years) to cull the thursday list on friday from the original named 7 "emergencies" (aka "extended bench") 

 

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12. Announcement of Teams and Official Team Sheet

12.1 Pre-Season Competition

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12.2 Home and Away and Finals Series Matches

(a) Friday Night and Saturday Matches

A club participating in a Home and Away or Finals Series Match on a Friday night or Saturday must lodge its Team list with the AFL by 5.00pm eastern standard time on the preceding Thursday. The Team list must contain the name and guernsey number of 18 Players in playing position, four Interchange Players (including the Substitute Player) and 3 Emergency Players.

(b) Sunday and Monday Matches

(i) A club participating in a Home and Away or Finals Series Match on a Sunday or Monday must lodge its Team list with the AFL by 5.00pm eastern standard time on the preceding Thursday. The Team list lodged at this time must contain the name and guernsey number of 18 Players in playing position and 7 Emergency Players. A Club is not obliged at this time to identify which of the 7 Players will be Interchange Players, Substitute Player and Emergency Players.

(ii) A Club must then again lodge with the AFL its Team list, in which it sets out the name and guernsey number of 18 Players in position, 4 Interchange Players (including the Substitute Player) and 3 Emergency Players, by the following times: (A) for Sunday games – 5.00pm eastern standard time on the preceding Friday; and (B) Monday games – 4.00pm eastern standard time on the preceding Saturday.

(c) Weekday Matches (other than Friday or Monday)

For Matches scheduled on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, the Club must lodge its Team List at times advised by the General Manager – Football Operations. 40

(d) Discretion of the General Manager - Football Operations The General Manager - Football Operations may in his absolute discretion vary the time within which a Club is obliged to lodge its Team list with the AFL.

12.3 Sanctions

(a) Where a Club does not lodge its Team list with the AFL by the times prescribed in this Regulation 12.1 or 12.2, the Club shall be liable to a sanction. Sanction: Up to 10 Units.

(b) If a Player participates in a Match or is named as an emergency and he was not listed on a Team’s list at the time it was lodged with the AFL under this Regulation 12.1 or 12.2, the Club may be liable to a sanction.

(c) If a player named on the team list at the time it was lodged with the AFL is replaced by a player from outside this team list the player replaced cannot play in any other team in any other competition in that same round Sanction: Up to 20 Units for each Player not listed

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[Satyriconhome 9,982]

Gee the desperate efforts on here to try and make the group think a reality and JKH not get a game, I'm impressed

 

[Skuit 9,196]

27 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee the desperate efforts on here to try and make the group think a reality and JKH not get a game, I'm impressed

 

It seems that JKH has gone beyond Jetta's mind-meld trick and just straight up infested your brain.

[Satyriconhome 9,982]

Just now, Skuit said:

It seems that JKH has gone beyond Jetta's mind-meld trick and just straight up infested your brain.

Told u before don't care who is in the team as long as they have a crack, Understand the Melksham omission, going backwards at the moment like some of the others at Essendon