@Stevethemanjordan is correct about Dom. Too many people believe disposals have been effective. it just means he touches it. His only shining light is that he gets to where the ball is. ANB is similar that he can cover ground to get where the ball is. Both are highly ineffectual.

 

 

Edited May 6, 20186 yr by Franky_31

2 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

This sounds like a job for @binman

On it. Actually checked afl pro already but vision not up yet. I assume it take the same 12 hours post game as the replay. 

Jon Pierik's (age writer) votes for the game:

VOTES
Jesse Hogan (Melbourne) 8
Max Gawn (Melbourne) 8
Clayton Oliver (Melbourne) 8
Angus Brayshaw (Melbourne) 8
Dom Tyson (Melbourne) 7

1 hour ago, Goffer said:

Kicking better today and snagged a goal. 

 

28 minutes ago, Big Demon said:

He is still a dilemma, at times silky skills but at other times looks ordinary. 7 turnovers for the match only beaten by Brayshaw on 8 and in in the first half he couldn’t hit the side of a barn.

I hope Tyson makes it and becomes an important part of the team going forward, he has all the skills.

 

The delimma with two face Tyson is this....

Dark side:  Can be horrid in congestion a little too often when quick decision making / disposal and instinctive/speedy play is required.  Often unable to get onto his left with any urgency or at all at times, he will either sell a player into trouble with a panic / hospital handball or just run straight into a tackler or two as he has no other option or just isn't agile enough (mind/body) to evade.  Good example Was the mis directed handball right at the end on the defensive paint of 50 which gifted the Saints another junk time goal.  Against a better club in a tight encounter that could be the match!  

Bright Side:   Get him out in the open a little with a bit more time / space and allowed to get onto his left ( allowing more time to asses and steady on his preferred side),  and he can look quite silky and finish nicely a la his lovely goal on the run and hitting the odd player i50.  In general play he is also quite good at reading the play and  flight of ball and getting the odd intercept mark for a quick rebound.

This is why some see him as a solid contributor / finisher (on the outside), because depending on the circumstances he can be at times, and others see him as an NQR, because he is also that at other times in congestion (on the inside).

Where to from here?

44 minutes ago, binman said:

Jon Pierik's (age writer) votes for the game:

VOTES
Jesse Hogan (Melbourne) 8
Max Gawn (Melbourne) 8
Clayton Oliver (Melbourne) 8
Angus Brayshaw (Melbourne) 8
Dom Tyson (Melbourne) 7

Clearly didn't watch the game and only looked at the stats.  Guaranteed.

The first 4 were spot on though.

Edited May 6, 20186 yr by Petraccattack

9 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Clearly didn't watch the game and only looked at the stats.  Guaranteed.

The first 4 were spot on though.

I watched the game he had a good solid game, you are just biased hater always hates

Tradebait at the end of the year? Maybe. 

But at this point of the year I simply ask this question - if not Tyson, then who else?

Who's spot in our best 22 could it be reasonably said that Tyson is taking up right at this point? 

Edited May 6, 20186 yr by the rolling fog

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

Lol, nice one Wrecker.

He's got to be one of the most ineffective "prolific" ball winners within the AFL.

Numbers mean so little when you are doing so much wrong when you dispose of it. I still can't understand why some posters don't understand that concept when quoting a player on his possession count.

So he disposed of it at 78% efficiency? I have a few questions. Taking aways handballs firstly. Of the targets he hit by foot, how many were under 20 metres to a free player? And how many were under pressure?

How many of his 30 + metre kicks hit their target? Or how many were kicked to the advantage of his team mate? Or how many were kicked directly to the opposition? 

How many of his inside 50's were of value? 

 

Why are you taking away handballs? That's just stupid when critiquing a player who handballs as often as he kicks and plays their best footy as an inside midfielder.

How about you focus on the whole game instead of just one aspect, then maybe you will be able to see the value he represents. He has his flaws but he is still an important player and will continue to be as we phase out our older players.

I actually find it quite ironic that you rate Lever so highly considering you have such a narrow minded focus. 

 

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

Lol, nice one Wrecker.

He's got to be one of the most ineffective "prolific" ball winners within the AFL.

Numbers mean so little when you are doing so much wrong when you dispose of it. I still can't understand why some posters don't understand that concept when quoting a player on his possession count.

So he disposed of it at 78% efficiency? I have a few questions. Taking aways handballs firstly. Of the targets he hit by foot, how many were under 20 metres to a free player? And how many were under pressure?

How many of his 30 + metre kicks hit their target? Or how many were kicked to the advantage of his team mate? Or how many were kicked directly to the opposition? 

How many of his inside 50's were of value? 

 

Why ? A handball is a disposal. Would you apply the same criteria to Oliver and only assess his kicks ? Of course not. Thought you were better than that STMJ.

I've watched the replay and Tyson was nowhere near as bad as some here are painting him. I agree he's no wingman but when you've got Harmes in a negating role for 75% of the centre bounces, there's not a lot of room for Tyson to do what he does best.

If you want to see a game of poor disposals, fumbles below the knees and dumb decisions, critically analyse the game of #2.

at the game, i thought he was okay

he's still clearly best 22 and will remain so for several years i suspect

5 hours ago, the rolling fog said:

Tradebait at the end of the year? Maybe. 

But at this point of the year I simply ask this question - if not Tyson, then who else?

Who's spot in our best 22 could it be reasonably said that Tyson is taking up right at this point? 

Viney

8 hours ago, the rolling fog said:

Tradebait at the end of the year? Maybe. 

But at this point of the year I simply ask this question - if not Tyson, then who else?

Who's spot in our best 22 could it be reasonably said that Tyson is taking up right at this point? 

I think Tyson is not our issue. IHe plays his role and is doing no worse than any other. My concern is forward pressure . Solve that and we could be in the top four .

I'm not his biggest fan, but anyone who has an issue with his game yesterday, just flat out has it in for him.

And those saying his touches were ineffective? Seriously, what game were you watching? He was prolific and his kicking was somewhat surprisingly on point, and kicked an absolute beauty of a goal.

11 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

He was one of our best today and one of our best kicks today also. He wins a lot of ball and is often involved in our scoring chains. Our midfield is better with him out there as both a ball winner and a link man. Loves the odd long goal too!
He's not played his best footy yet this year (his best is top 5 in our BnF multiple times by the way), but he's been decent-good and is easily in our best 22. He's apparently become a whipping boy on here recently, but we've got far greater problems and worse players out there than Dom. People need to take their blinkers off when assessing him.

A few moments of intense kicking practice from both feet might make the difference. His possession count is pleasing, otherwise. Kicking skills, in general, across the team are the consequence of the 'long bomb' syndrome that most of the team have committed to for nearly 4 years, off and on. Jones has made somewhat of a shift with this kicking delivery to head-up passing, so Dom can do this, as well. 

7 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

If you want to see a game of poor disposals, fumbles below the knees and dumb decisions, critically analyse the game of #2.

Both Jones and Tyson are habitual butchers but they're not alone.
ANB and Stretch are also turnover merchants.

Edited May 6, 20186 yr by Fork 'em

Tyson was very good yesterday, especially in the first half. He was everywhere and linked up well. He was ranked as the 3rd most effective player on the ground at half time. For a player not blessed with speed he finds himself in the right spots most of the time. 

People will use his 7 turnover stat yesterday as a guide to prove their point, but last week he was credited with 1 turnover to Salem’s 9 and nothing was said about Salem yet Tyson still received the usual comments. 

There must be a lot of Tysons running around the league this year, the average kicking efficiency league wide is at 65%.

I like the idea of giving him more time and space on the outside, and if Viney gets back in and under (with Clarry, Angus, Salem and Jones), then more time and space could make him even better.  He can still rotate through the contest.

a few awful moments (hospital handballs, taking on the tackler, etc), but lots of good in yesterday’s game.

 

I don't understand the angst over Tyson.

His sometimes iffy kicking/disposal and occasional "slow to react" moments are holding him back from being a much better player than he is. 

His number one talent is getting to where the ball is/getting his hands on the ball. So he is doing a job for us at the moment and if he continues to be solid he will continue to get a game until someone who offers more than him comes along.

2 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

. Jones has made somewhat of a shift with this kicking delivery to head-up passing, so Dom can do this, as well. 

I think the club overall may be working on the lowering the eyes to hit forward targets.  Done well yesterday, and noticeably by serial offender Jaydyn Hunt who made some great first 1/4 decisions in the game. 

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

I think the club overall may be working on the lowering the eyes to hit forward targets.  Done well yesterday, and noticeably by serial offender Jaydyn Hunt who made some great first 1/4 decisions in the game. 

Yep, you are correct about that aspect. It is refreshing to watch, to see the ball used with some purposeful intent at the 'team' level. 

 

20 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

Lol, nice one Wrecker.

He's got to be one of the most ineffective "prolific" ball winners within the AFL.

Numbers mean so little when you are doing so much wrong when you dispose of it. I still can't understand why some posters don't understand that concept when quoting a player on his possession count.

So he disposed of it at 78% efficiency? I have a few questions. Taking aways handballs firstly. Of the targets he hit by foot, how many were under 20 metres to a free player? And how many were under pressure?

How many of his 30 + metre kicks hit their target? Or how many were kicked to the advantage of his team mate? Or how many were kicked directly to the opposition? 

How many of his inside 50's were of value? 

 

I’ve never quoted statistics to justify the importance of Tyson. Just watching him play it is obvious we are a better side when he is in and playing well.

22 hours ago, binman said:

Only behind Jones and Olver as our best extractor. Often when he gets holding the ball its because he has got in it in heavy traffic and rather than hold on to it tries to release it. When he does so successfully he often triggers a scoring chain.

Frustrating or not was unquestionably one of our better players today. 

I look forward to dong an AFL stats pro review

I thought he was surprising, that he was goo,d and kicked the ball well on a few occasions. Trusted himself to snap at goa,l which was a beauty.

 

I have to reserve my judgement on Tyson, after seeing his efforts yesterday.

To me Tyson will prove to bit of a barometer. The day that he is in form but can’t get a game with us will be the day we are a proper side with a proper midfield. 

33 minutes ago, FarNorthernD said:

To me Tyson will prove to bit of a barometer. The day that he is in form but can’t get a game with us will be the day we are a proper side with a proper midfield. 

Spot on FND. I am in your neck of the woods. See you soon. 

Just now, pineapple dee said:

Spot on FND. I am in your neck of the woods. See you soon. 

Looking forward to it oh Pineapple one