11 hours ago, Jaded said:

Anyone hear Scully saying Kelly should stay at GWS because money isn't everything? Oh the irony of that pathetic little lying turd!

Whoa dude! Call the kettle black

Great if he comes, but my god it all seems so hopeless right now. I feel like I've been seeing this sort of crap - new dawns, boom recruits, building - all my friggin life and all it ever comes down to is disappointment.

On 25/08/2017 at 0:37 AM, bandicoot said:

Dees aren't going to give up overs for this kid.

Tom Mitchell was traded for pick 14, omeara pick 10 and 2018 second round, hibberd pick 29, Lachie Henderson future first round pick, Prestia pick 6.

lever isn't better than any of the above. 

melbournes first round pick this year should do the deal and at worst 2nd round next year. 

im glad some of the posters here are not deciding the future of the club. 

You are joking aren't you? The only better players are Mitchell and Hibberd and Hibbo is 5 or 6 years older. 

Prestia and Henderson are average at best

Much of the dialogue on this thread has 'saviour' written all over it and the salivating is a bit OTT!

He plays his role very well but he isn't the major cog in the Crows defence.  So I'm not sure he is a Key Position Player.  He might be one day but not right now.  Will he be the defender we need to play on Brown, Daniher, Moore, Hipwood etc?  I am a little cautious in assuming he will be.

TBH I am skeptical of the $850K being bandied around.  That is the sort of money paid to a match winner and I don't see Lever being a match winner.  Don't get me wrong.  I am glad we are chasing him.  But I hope we don't pay overs in $ to him or trade value to Crows. 

3 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Much of the dialogue on this thread has 'saviour' written all over it and the salivating is a bit OTT!

He plays his role very well but he isn't the major cog in the Crows defence.  So I'm not sure he is a Key Position Player.  He might be one day but not right now.  Will he be the defender we need to play on Brown, Daniher, Moore, Hipwood etc?  I am a little cautious in assuming he will be.

TBH I am skeptical of the $850K being bandied around.  That is the sort of money paid to a match winner and I don't see Lever being a match winner.  Don't get me wrong.  I am glad we are chasing him.  But I hope we don't pay overs in $ to him or trade value to Crows. 

Agree completely, I do think Lever would automatically make OMac and Tmac better players, and also make Hibberd even more dangerous. OMac and TMac wouldn't get caught in no-mans land as often as they do if we have a reliable 3rd tall who sticks more-or-less to the back half. We all know both the Macs do have a tendency to run down the field a little, not that that's always bad but doing it with Lever in the team carries so much less risk than say Frost who again can run forward with little regard to who's left behind - makes for exciting play but can also make us too easy to score against on the rebound. Hopefully then OMac and TMac combined can take care of those taller forwards.

Tbh. Im curious how Lever fits in if folk are wanting to keep the Backend as it is. I don't see how that works. 

Something/someone gives. Surely

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Something/someone gives. Surely

TMac to play the rest of his career forward, like David Neitz.

20 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

TMac to play the rest of his career forward, like David Neitz.

This is what I thought, until last sat.

29 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Tbh. Im curious how Lever fits in if folk are wanting to keep the Backend as it is. I don't see how that works. 

Something/someone gives. Surely

I'd see Lever playing the role Frost should have until he became a bit lost in the last half dozen games or so. My backline would be below:

Jetta OMac Lever

Hunt TMac Hibberd

That means TMac stays back, which I think he is better suited too anyway, and if during a game we need to switch things up he can always go forward for a cameo or 2. Lewis, Salem, Jones and maybe Vince (but I don't like him down there) would then rotate through when the others are either having a break or have moved down the ground. Lever and Lewis would be in charge of organsing the backline, with hopefully one of TMac or OMac picking up the skills to do that (alongside Lever) once Lewis is gone. One of the mids to go back to take the kick ins - in no circumstances are TMac or OMac ever to do it again. 

14 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I heard we tanked because Adelaide wanted pick 10 or better.

Thanks Brock....we can now  look forward to another big fine for not breaking any rules. 

10 hours ago, mattjm said:

showed up against a second string Collingwood midfield too. ouchy wowchey

But Champion Data says they are the best in the business 

Methinks a couple of Deemomlanders need to revisit some clips of David Neitz! Comparisons with our Tom are taking the pizz, surely!

people do realise that lever isn't a great kick right? Frost/Lever/Both Mcdonalds/Vince...scare the bejeezus out of me!

30 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

people do realise that lever isn't a great kick right? Frost/Lever/Both Mcdonalds/Vince...scare the bejeezus out of me!

Lever is a much more reliable kick than any of our key defenders and his decision making is what sets him apart. 

Yeh, I saw the turnover he made in the dying stages of the game against West Coast but that was an anomaly. 

Generally, he is a very composed player with ball in hand and gives to the right option either by hand or by foot. His decision making, awareness and general footballing smarts are way above Frost and both McDonalds. 

It's part of the reason he went so high in the draft. And part of the reason both McDonald's and Frost went so low in the draft is because they have major flaws in their game. And all of those flaws are to do with decision making and ball use. Oscar is the only one who actually possesses a decent kicking action and execution. But other areas of his game are truly below AFL standard. 

We need high end talent in our key defensive stocks.

 

Edited August 30, 20177 yr by stevethemanjordan

44 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

people do realise that lever isn't a great kick right? Frost/Lever/Both Mcdonalds/Vince...scare the bejeezus out of me!

That's perfect. We can get TMac to mentor him. 

Its a win win!

15 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

$850k a year is the rumour...

For that sort of money he had better be Glen Jakovich 2.0

44 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Lever is a much more reliable kick than any of our key defenders and his decision making is what sets him apart. 

Yeh, I saw the turnover he made in the dying stages of the game against West Coast but that was an anomaly. 

Generally, he is a very composed player with ball in hand and gives to the right option either by hand or by foot. His decision making, awareness and general footballing smarts are way above Frost and both McDonalds.

REMOVED ONE PARAGRAPH

We need high end talent in our key defensive stocks.

 

He may have good disposal /decision making skills, but wait until we put him under the microscope of Demonland requiring nothing less than perfect in 23/23 games. Then he will be tested especially when he made mistake while playing for Crows.

7 minutes ago, dimmy said:

He may have good disposal /decision making skills, but wait until we put him under the microscope of Demonland requiring nothing less than perfect in 23/23 games. Then he will be tested especially when he made mistake while playing for Crows.

Lever is 22 and already plays at an incredibly high standard throughout games.

Which is why a fluffed kick here and there is not put under the microscope. The same can be said for Hibberd. He was missing a lot of kicks on the weekend that he usually hits but it everything else he does is at such a high level. 

The same can't be said for many other players. Tyson, Tom McDonald, Oscar. The list goes on.

 

Caught about 2 minutes of Sen this morning with Kb and another person, can't remember who. Lever was discussed briefly with the generally jist being the "mail" that Collingwood being in the mix was incorrect, however bulldogs staff allegedly think they're a chance. The overall feeling I got was Melbourne still in the box seat. Probably nothing that hasn't been speculated already.

28 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Caught about 2 minutes of Sen this morning with Kb and another person, can't remember who. Lever was discussed briefly with the generally jist being the "mail" that Collingwood being in the mix was incorrect, however bulldogs staff allegedly think they're a chance. The overall feeling I got was Melbourne still in the box seat. Probably nothing that hasn't been speculated already.

It was KB with Brian Waldron which contradicts what Waldron was saying last week that his mail was that Lever was heading to Collingwood 

18 hours ago, Wrecked Owl Dees Function said:

Whatever happened to ol 72-page -Prestia? Didnt hear much about him. Must have had a big off season celebrating his payday.

Same as Brent Prismall. A lot here were pretty unhappy when he wouldn't come to the Dees 

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Tbh. Im curious how Lever fits in if folk are wanting to keep the Backend as it is. I don't see how that works. 

Something/someone gives. Surely

Because the back six are working so well............

 

All the talk at the moment is that it's btw Dees and Footscray; Crows would prefer he went to Pies cos they're prepared to give up pick 6, but Lever's preference is Melbourne

The $$ have been pushed up by Footscray's offer, as to whether or not we are matching that valuation is another matter

I was told yesterday it's a "done deal" but we shall see

20 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

Worth it

21 year old key defenders who read the ball in flight and kick it well are a rare commodity

Is he a key defender or 3rd tall?

43 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

All the talk at the moment is that it's btw Dees and Footscray; Crows would prefer he went to Pies cos they're prepared to give up pick 6, but Lever's preference is Melbourne

The $$ have been pushed up by Footscray's offer, as to whether or not we are matching that valuation is another matter

I was told yesterday it's a "done deal" but we shall see

Hope u r on the money

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Is he a key defender or 3rd tall?

I see him as a Rivers type, floating back/across to intercept the ball. Be that as it may, we don't have a decent one of those (nor would i say that we have a good 1v1 KPD). Given there are no "good" 1v1 defenders on the market atm, i'd be happy to bring him in.

You never turn down the chance to land a quality player. I'd also be going hell for leather for Tom Lynch (who comes off contract next year) - Him and Hogan up forward would be supremely better than Hogan, Watts and Weideman.

Edited August 30, 20177 yr by Demon Disciple