The Gameplan

[Adam The God 30,603]

6 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

Goody footy? Nah..

King has already christened it "Simon Says"

I like it.

Yeah, I saw that, but it made no sense. 

Goody footy is coming.

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

3 minutes ago, A F said:

Yeah, I saw that, but it made no sense. 

Goody footy is coming.

I hope not

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

9 hours ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

It was good coaching because it was taking advantage of our momemtum. Guarantee it wont happen in most games but it is good to see it happening while we had dominance. In the past we have struggled to score when we have momemtum. This really pushes the idea that when we feel we have control we want to keep piling on the score. We scored 120 points after a 2 goal first quater and after putting the que in the rack 5 mintues into the last where we pocketed 2 more in junk time. that means from qtr time till 4 minutes into the last we scored a massive 90 points (14.6) vs 30 in the rest of the game. Goody's gameplan is all about scoring when we have control and suffocating the opposition when we dont. 

That all being said. Its flirting with danger playing 3-7 in the forwadline because when it comes down to it, at 3-7 it was more about St Kilda's defencive structure falling apart than it was uss playing well. But what it did do is it made defenders panic, watching King's vision showed all the saints defenders panic and run up to help the out number in the middle and hogan just walked out the back. I would expect to see them try this a number of times but im not sold that it would work against the best defences. Saints could have played man on man plus 4 in a zone, Hogan should never have marked that ball uncontested.

What it does though is ensure if we lose the ball it's in our forward line and we already have players behind the ball to set up the zone which theoretically should make it a lot harder for the opposition to rebound out of our forward line.

[mo64 5,881]

One thing that was also pointed out on Fox was our players being on the move at centre bounces, which makes sense when you have the dominant ruckman. So rather than having the opposition sitting on our mids and waiting to tackle them, you could see that Oliver and Viney where on the move after Gawn had directed the tap. We outnumbered the Saints 21-5 with hits to advantage.

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Added to Gawns dominance is our desire to not play 'hero footy' in the stoppages.

We will give lightning quick hands, even 50 cm hands to a player, then the next player, then the next player, then we are outside.

Viney occasionally busts through a couple of tacklers but it isn't sustainable with our midfield so it is excellent how quickly their hands have improved.

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13 hours ago, Bigred said:

Did some one say 'Goody Footy'..... Hmmmmmmm  

If we start playing 'Goody Footy', does it mean we have to adopt this as our new club song?

 

Edited March 28, 2017 by Colin B. Flaubert

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

12 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What it does though is ensure if we lose the ball it's in our forward line and we already have players behind the ball to set up the zone which theoretically should make it a lot harder for the opposition to rebound out of our forward line.

Yes and no. Because so many of our players were running off the back of the square they would be in no mans land if the saints won clear possession. The ball would just get kicked over their heads. What it does stop is the run and carry out of the centre clearance, forces the opponent to kick straight away which is easier to defend. I just like that it backs us into winning the ball more often than not.

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/simon-goodwins-innovative-tactics-are-set-to-challenge-opposition-coaches-throughout-the-season/news-story/ad75fe40036d7f0ed671abb612734587

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

57 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/simon-goodwins-innovative-tactics-are-set-to-challenge-opposition-coaches-throughout-the-season/news-story/ad75fe40036d7f0ed671abb612734587

Love to see a Melbourne coach called "innovative". When was the last time that happened?

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

57 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Love to see a Melbourne coach called "innovative". When was the last time that happened?

Balmey and Bails wanted to be

[Dr. Gonzo 24,443]

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Balmey and Bails wanted to be

Balmey possibly was (possession game/switching play).

Bails no

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Balmey possibly was (possession game/switching play).

Bails no

Both didn't have the cattle. 

Balme did but the list was too injured. 

Bails knew blistering speed was a weapon but he wasn't able to sustain it other than short bursts. 

Goodwin has trained this side well. The 2nd Q showed me that

are the players strong enough to maintain it?

when one player is hurt does another just come in and continue. 

Good sides do that. Beveridge nailed it last year

[Gator 17,972]

I read before round one that Goody was making "rookie mistakes"; that he'd treated Watts poorly by publicly shaming him; that Spencer had to play and Weideman shouldn't (was never going to happen as Goody isn't stupid); how could Hannan be selected on the back of no JLT; how could Spencer not be selected as he played every JLT; that making Viney co-captain was a mistake (I don't like co-captains, but have an open mind as Goodwin is trying to bridge the gap to the younger players); and his "captain's call" on the captaincy was another error,  There are probably more.

I reckon we've got a gun young coach on our hands with a brilliant footy mind, who knows how to relate to players, knows how to remain calm, knows what wins games of footy, has his team playing "fearless" footy (another term that was disputed as being invented by a journalist - more rubbish); and, like Mark Taylor, he just might have the knack of pulling the right reign at the right moment on matchups/selections.

I haven't read too many mea culpas considering the carry on by some.  Not that I thought I would.

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

29 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I read before round one that Goody was making "rookie mistakes"; that he'd treated Watts poorly by publicly shaming him; that Spencer had to play and Weideman shouldn't (was never going to happen as Goody isn't stupid); how could Hannan be selected on the back of no JLT; how could Spencer not be selected as he played every JLT; that making Viney co-captain was a mistake (I don't like co-captains, but have an open mind as Goodwin is trying to bridge the gap to the younger players); and his "captain's call" on the captaincy was another error,  There are probably more.

I reckon we've got a gun young coach on our hands with a brilliant footy mind, who knows how to relate to players, knows how to remain calm, knows what wins games of footy, has his team playing "fearless" footy (another term that was disputed as being invented by a journalist - more rubbish); and, like Mark Taylor, he just might have the knack of pulling the right reign at the right moment on matchups/selections.

I haven't read too many mea culpas considering the carry on by some.  Not that I thought I would.

He passed his first test easily, the turn around in the 2nd Q was just relentless

(fortunately we kicked straight. That got the confidence back)

Roos has taught him well, on top of what he already knows. 

Edited March 29, 2017 by Sir Why You Little

[Skuit 10,031]

On 3/28/2017 at 10:09 AM, A F said:

Yeah, I saw that, but it made no sense. 

Goody footy is coming.

Simon's Tsunami?  A bewildered opposition watches on as half of our team recedes deep into defence. And then bam! - a huge wave of players barrelling toward them. 

[Demon trucker 1,800]

In the preseason I said the team was working on a secret gameplan, everyone laughed and said no team could have a secret gameplan, without anyone knowing about it. 

[hemingway 7,633]

It's a great start to the season, and Goodwin has started well. 

However, its a long season and the side is going to face bigger tests than the Saints when it comes up against the powerhouse sides,

Our performance against the top sides will be the measuring stick for our players, our coach, and our game plan. 

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. 

[Demi Dee 578]

2 minutes ago, hemingway said:

It's a great start to the season, and Goodwin has started well. 

However, its a long season and the side is going to face bigger tests than the Saints when it comes up against the powerhouse sides,

Our performance against the top sides will be the measuring stick for our players, our coach, and our game plan. 

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. 

The cats are looming large. 

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,525]

17 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Balmey and Bails wanted to be

Balme (along with Gerard Neesham) were playing Geelong/Bomber Thompson style football in the mid 90s IMHO.  Balme was an innovator, just didn't have (or lost) the cattle.

[Demon trucker 1,800]

15 minutes ago, hemingway said:

It's a great start to the season, and Goodwin has started well. 

However, its a long season and the side is going to face bigger tests than the Saints when it comes up against the powerhouse sides,

Our performance against the top sides will be the measuring stick for our players, our coach, and our game plan. 

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. 

We beat two top 4 sides last year,  we lost to 2 bottom 4 sides,  so we do well  vs good  teams beat st k twice and Carlton twice and we will make the 8

[tiers 2,875]

The game plan as displayed on Saturday was original and effective. The best teams have always played the game in waves with players moving seemingly in unison to some pre ordained plan to create easy scoring opportunities. Sadly, I can still recall the 1988 GF where we were swamped by a never ending wave.

The one feature of our game plan though that struck me was that we stopped kicking the ball on top of Jesse's head expecting him to mark against 2, 3 or 4 opponents. Jesse played as a mobile forward whose skill and instinctive footy smarts allowed him to present to players upfield. The two times he marked and goaled he was able to run to the contest in a less congested forward line. What a difference. Watch Jesse when he is up the ground - his ball winning and disposal is elite, not just for a big man but for any player. When added to the elite skills of Clarry and Tracca the three become a dangerous and potent group.

 

[Adam The God 30,603]

19 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Love to see a Melbourne coach called "innovative". When was the last time that happened?

I've been waiting for that for years. If you look at the innovative coaches of the past 15 years, they've all made Grand Finals and most have won flags from Malthouse, to Roos, to Clarkson, to Beveridge, to Thompson.

The innovators who stumbled at the last hurdle, but oversaw incredibly strong teams are Lyon and Simpson. But Simpson could well win a flag this year.

It's often a key attribute of the better teams and the rest of the competition then tries to emulate that innovation.

Edited March 30, 2017 by A F

[Mach5 4,768]

The "tsunami" tactic reeks of Troy Chaplin's reported influence to me.

[Adam The God 30,603]

46 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

The "tsunami" tactic reeks of Troy Chaplin's reported influence to me.

Really? Interesting. He's an innovator, is he?

Edited March 31, 2017 by A F

[dpositive 1,818]

On 30/03/2017 at 11:59 AM, A F said:

I've been waiting for that for years. If you look at the innovative coaches of the past 15 years, they've all made Grand Finals and most have won flags from Malthouse, to Roos, to Clarkson, to Beveridge, to Thompson.

The innovators who stumbled at the last hurdle, but oversaw incredibly strong teams are Lyon and Simpson. But Simpson could well win a flag this year.

It's often a key attribute of the better teams and the rest of the competition then tries to emulate that innovation.

Is Simpson moving to coach the dees.???????