5 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Confirmation bias is only valid when the info is confirmed as being true.

Confirmation bias is seeking information that confirms your existing views, while rejecting information that contradicts them. It's not about confirming information, it's about confirming your own views.

Whether those views are true or not doesn't come into it.

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

The medias obsession with Watts is unhealthy. 

Or Demonlands need to pick it apart like Jerk Chicken...

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

If Watts had played last week, who would have missed out? Spencer, Weideman, Vandenberg or someone else? And I wonder what explanations would have been given for that playing missing out.   

Jack Watts

There's a lot of back pedalling going on...not too many apologies.

A lot more has been made of this than needed to be not because of any Watts outrage but because of the hand wringers who are unable to process anything that doesn't align with their long held beliefs.

Objectivity is a rare trait.

Edited February 21, 20178 yr by Guest

if there is any truth in this does that mean the clubs recent good record on not leaking has come to end? that would be something to worry about

3 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Have you listened to the Max Gawn interview? I'm paraphrasing but says something along the lines of Jack Watts would be in the starting 22 on talent but at this stage was unable to get into the 24 man side. Then goes onto to say Weid has been training well and was picked as a result. 

You don't need to be a genius to read between the lines.

I also heard this

"'Wattsy' has come a long way in the seven years that I've known him and he's probably in the best headspace he's been in for a long time.

"So I don't think it's an attitude problem this year. The Jack Watts we saw last year will be the Jack Watts we see this year, we just didn't see it on the weekend."

As well as discussion on experimenting with 2 true ruck men during the practice games.

There are many ways to read the situation. Could be attitude, could be his hand in a brace, could be trialling new/young players before R1, could be a mismatch against the Bullies backs, and so on. Might even be a number of these or more.

The only certainty is the gleeful bias of the op here.

Edited February 21, 20178 yr by Moonshadow

Ok with what's going on it's important to remember a couple of things. 1) it's pre-season so reporters are trying to drum up stories to fill the papers. 2) every year there seems to a certain player at each club that's given a sort of "position not set in stone" kick up the bum, most of the time they are in there round 1. 3) there are two practice matches left and I'd be shocked if Watts doesn't play at least one of them, he will be given an opportunity to prove himself. 

Jack had such a great year last year, I would hope he'd want to build on it. 

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

There's a lot of back pedalling going on...not too many apologies.

A lot more has been made of this than needed to be not because of any Watts outrage but because of the hand wringers who are unable to process anything that doesn't align with their long held beliefs.

Objectivity is a rare trait.

What (pun intended) I'd like to hear from a Goody presser,

"We understand there are certain oxygen thieves in the media and on certain supposed supporter sites. We've decided to give this non story no oxygen, next question"?

I really do hope the media read this site.

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

I also heard this

 

No you didn't, Moonie - don't you know how selective hearing works?

After having watched T Mac's interview, it's clear that there's something he hasn't done that the coaches have asked of him. Perhaps there was something up on the camp etc that he failed to do, or a standard it seems that everyone is asked of that he didn't meet.

It's only fair by Goodwin to give the guys (and there's quite a few who can play that half forward role) a chance a head of Jack to prove their worth who did everything that was asked of them. Jack doesn't get a different set of standards just because he is in our top tier of players. I don't think it was a major thing, but, if you're trying to be consistent with your playing group, then it's unfair to put jack ahead of others purely on talent.

Let's all hope Jack has now taken that on board (which seems like he has based on the interviews) and can have another good season.

 

3 minutes ago, demon9 said:

After having watched T Mac's interview, it's clear that there's something he hasn't done that the coaches have asked of him. Perhaps there was something up on the camp etc that he failed to do, or a standard it seems that everyone is asked of that he didn't meet.

It's only fair by Goodwin to give the guys (and there's quite a few who can play that half forward role) a chance a head of Jack to prove their worth who did everything that was asked of them. Jack doesn't get a different set of standards just because he is in our top tier of players. I don't think it was a major thing, but, if you're trying to be consistent with your playing group, then it's unfair to put jack ahead of others purely on talent.

Let's all hope Jack has now taken that on board (which seems like he has based on the interviews) and can have another good season.

 

Ox spoke to the club, he said it wasn't attitude based. He believes Watts didn't meet some KPI's.

26 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

No you didn't, Moonie - don't you know how selective hearing works?

Alternative facts?

Failing to meet training standards can mean a vastly different thing to having a poor attitude.

Gawn intimated that VDB and Weideman deserved the opportunity last Saturday  to see whether they could edge a round 1 gig ahead of Watts.

Based on both of their performances, Watts doesn't have a worry in the world.

I have seen training three times since start of pre- season.

Jack Watts has trained hard, trained well and is a class and a half above ALMOST anything we have on the list! PERIOD!

 

Edited February 21, 20178 yr by picket fence

1 minute ago, picket fence said:

I have seen trainng three times since start of pre- season.

Jack Watts has trained hard, trained well and is a class and a half above ALMOST anything we have on the list! PERIOD!

 

That's the sort of attitude and player we need at the D's!!!

5 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

I told you all why he was not picked on another thread. The club is unhappy with his preseason form and attitude. Simple as that. There are no walk up starts at the MFC anymore. Gawn is a leader. He knows why. Not going to throw him under the bus, is he? But he made it perfectly clear that nothing other than blokes doing harder yards over preseason had caused the 'selection shock'. 

Well, I hope who ever passed on the news to your source gets cut off at the knees. I'm sure PJ is ecstatic about the leak ....

Whilst it's sometimes interesting to get the inside scoop, with the addition of "Chinese Whispers" it really doesn't do the club a whole lot of good.

26 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Gawn intimated that VDB and Weideman deserved the opportunity last Saturday  to see whether they could edge a round 1 gig ahead of Watts.

Based on both of their performances, Watts doesn't have a worry in the world.

Watts will be a key part of our rise up the ladder both short and long term. He was our best forward last year IMO Had more impact than Hogan, set up heaps of goals, helped in the ruck and nearly topped the goal kicking for the club. If he continues on from last year he'll be near All Australian quality.

Weiderman has the potential to play an important role long term also as a key forward paired with Hogan. He's still building up his body and learning the game at senior level.

Vandenburg is delist material in a year or two. He's done great for someone off the rookie list, but he's a depth player and won't be part of our serious tilt, in a similar way to the Matt Jones and Dean Terlichs of the past.

Watts has nothing to worry about if they're his competition for a spot. If I was him and the coach gave those guys games ahead of me when I was fit and ready to perform I'd ask for a trade.

I think it's great. 

Goody is setting a standard early in the season on how he wants the boys to train. 

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Ox spoke to the club, he said it wasn't attitude based. He believes Watts didn't meet some KPI's.

Perhaps a running KPI required over Christmas... could be anything really

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Watts will be a key part of our rise up the ladder both short and long term. He was our best forward last year IMO Had more impact than Hogan, set up heaps of goals, helped in the ruck and nearly topped the goal kicking for the club. If he continues on from last year he'll be near All Australian quality.

Weiderman has the potential to play an important role long term also as a key forward paired with Hogan. He's still building up his body and learning the game at senior level.

Vandenburg is delist material in a year or two. He's done great for someone off the rookie list, but he's a depth player and won't be part of our serious tilt, in a similar way to the Matt Jones and Dean Terlichs of the past.

Watts has nothing to worry about if they're his competition for a spot. If I was him and the coach gave those guys games ahead of me when I was fit and ready to perform I'd ask for a trade.

Those two weren't preferred to Watts because they are better but because they've put in the work. Vanders has questions over his skill level but I don't doubt his work rate and physicality, especially with tackling. Can you imagine how good Watts would be if he attacked the ball and then chased and tackled like Vanders does? Because to me that's what an AA level player would be. 

 

Having a go at his laconic style versus Vineys attack dog style which they want to entrench...perhaps?

4 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Guys Sam Mitchell and Bontempelli didn't play either on the weekend... Where are the media stories about them not being starters despite not being injured??

Absolute joke this is seeing light of day. Poor handling by the club and Goodwin to not get on the front foot to squash the heresy being bandied about in the media too. Really disappointing from the club actually considering the medias history with Watts.

Jack will be fine come next week or Round 1. In fact, he'll be better than fine. He'll be one of our best players as always.

It's pre-season and the speculation about Watts is frankly insane. Up until last year I was no fan of Watts but he rose to a very good level last year and could well do so again this year. If the coaches have an issue with Watts then let them deal with it without ridiculous speculation.

It is my experience that the players know exactly what the club expects of them. They get minute level detail. IF Watts was left out for a reason, he and every other player would know why. The club doesn't need to come out and make a statement about it. The fact that other players that did media like Gawn and TMac were asked about it is not like the club 'sending' them out to deal with the Watts' question.

Let the coaches do their job.

 

 

The thing for me with VandenBerg is the 'default' chf role he plays whilst also being able to run through the midfield. He's built like the proverbial brick outhouse and isn't afraid to throw his weight around.

The coaching dept love his work rate and when he plays well we tend to go okay.

I'd argue that when Watts plays well we tend to win - he's our barometer. 

35 minutes ago, rjay said:

Well, I hope who ever passed on the news to your source gets cut off at the knees. I'm sure PJ is ecstatic about the leak ....

Whilst it's sometimes interesting to get the inside scoop, with the addition of "Chinese Whispers" it really doesn't do the club a whole lot of good.

I go a lot further.  I think the poster that "leaked" it should be banned.  I've got no idea if this is where the media got the story or whether it was from another source but on the assumption that Leoncelli_36 was given inside information he's hurt the Club and the player. If the MFC had wanted it public they would have announced it.

There are people on this site privy to confidential and potentially harmful information who show good sense and don't big note themselves by posting it.  We have a poster that didn't show good judgement and has hurt the club.  He's shown he's more interested in promoting himself than helping the club. 

I'd take away his ability to do that here.