MATCH PREVIEW AND TEAM SELECTION - Round 12

[Adam The God 30,216]

5 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Harmes still in but Jeff out... Lolololololololol

Kent still in but Jeff out... Lolololololololol

I reckon the thinking must be they're inexperienced players, Jeffy's been around a while and should know better. But I agree. How Kent has survived as long as he has, yet Jeffy plays two bad weeks and gets dropped. Kent's played 2.5 good matches this year. Pretty poor return, IMO.

5 hours ago, Bigred said:

NEW Melbourne is in a position to pick a side based on form.  Casey is firing... we have others who can step up.

Even 'HE WHO MUST NOT MOVE WEST' would be dropped if he didin't follow team orders (maybe?)

I like it.... but if we lose .... I will attribute the loss to it .....indignantly!

Well, clearly not. His lack of second efforts haven't gone unnoticed, but his team mates have picked up the slack a bit. I reckon he'll bag 5+ this week and then announce a 5 year extension next week.

5 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Disagree. That WILL come back to haunt us! Jeff will be sorely needed. He loves the big occasions. I will not be delighted if he kicks a bag in the 2s. Don't know who to tip now.

The game will be won in the midfield, not by Jeffy. The tip is more likely based on whether Viney plays. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,815]

2 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

 

IC: Oliver - Bugg - Trengove - Grimes

If Viney doesn't get up, put Oliver in the middle and Kent comes onto the extended bench

Interesting that you have Grimes in your side, when many of the punters on this forum have written him off.  What's your rationale there?

Personally I thought Kent had a good physical presence last week, did a few other good things and I'd still have him in my side, though Harmes was no better than Kennedy got dropped for the week before and so I think he'd be the similar sized/type player to make way for Grimes.

[Satyriconhome 10,784]

2 hours ago, Watts the matter said:

Like Stuie, I do find your preseason reports very helpful, but you still have not given your opinion on the matter, you have said you weren't surprised. 

Do you think Garlett deserves to play? 

While he does get a lot of goals over the back, I would imagine we break down going forward just as often because he doesn't/cant lead at the ball carrier and we lack players capable of breaking the lines.

And the last line is that same line we hear every pre season and not even close to true. We have a list now with a bunch of list cloggers and it appears certain players have already had their papers stamped. I would struggle to find a player in the VFL team that I would want in the AFL team. 

We've had a fairly good run with injuries and an easy draw, yet we are not in the 8. I expect more and like many others use this forum to voice my concern.

Negative or realist.

 

It doesn't matter what I think, which is true of all posters on here, what I said was he seemed to be down on form and confidence,  my opinion, so in the new MFC world he is omitted, and I am not surprised, a couple of years ago because of who he is we would have kept playing him, and possibly nearly destroyedv him, like we did with others As for your other point Roos when he came on board said it would take at least 3 years to turnaround the team, he didn't spruik a miracle   we are exactly where I thought we would be this year As for the VFL team have you watched them live    of the new young ones White and Hulett are 2 who could be fine AFL players if given the time  

Edited June 9, 2016 by Satyriconhome

[Gorgoroth 12,942]

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

It doesn't matter what I think, which is true of all posters on here, what I said was he seemed to be down on form and confidence,  my opinion, so in the new MFC world he is omitted, and I am not surprised, a couple of years ago because of who he is we would have kept playing him, and possibly nearly destroyedv him, like we did with others As for your other point Roos when he came on board said it would take at least 3 years to turnaround the team, he didn't spruik a miracle   we are exactly where I thought we would be this year As for the VFL team have you watched them live    of the new young ones White and Hulett are 2 who could be fine AFL players if given the time  

Its a forum discussing what we think of the changes... 

Its all opinions... 

Kent or harmes wouldn't have got a kick on stratton last week either. 

Garlett takes the best small defender. Kent and Harmes don't. Jeff has two bad games. Kent and Harmes have had about 6 good quarters each.

[CBDees 3,167]

Since the Club has only announced dropping Garlett (one player) and nominated seven on the extended interchange (three of whom become the emergencies after training on Saturday), this talk of dropping Harmes or Kent for Grimes or Kennedy would contradict the Club's statements now that they have said that Viney would be coming back if okay to play. If Viney is not Okay then they would be obligated to bring back Kennedy who they also made an announcement about, whereas to bring them both in as they foreshadowed, either Kent or Harmes would have to get sick/injured (& not play for Casey where they are also named). To bring in Grimes and/or Mitchie might well cop a fine. Oliver will play for the Dees and not in the back pocket for Casey where he is named.

The seven nominated on the extended interchange (four to play) are:

• Oliver 
• Viney
• Grimes
• Kennedy
• Mitchie
• Harmes
• Kent

If we only bring in one player (i.e. No sudden sickness/injury) then it must surely be Viney (if okay) though Kennedy is the only other option if the Club hasn't been foxing with their public announcements.

[picket fence 17,133]

9 hours ago, MrReims said:

Don't understand the hysteria over Garlett at all. Kennedy was the form player for the first 5 weeks, lost some touch and went back to the twos. Smashed it in terrible conditions and earnt a recall.

 

Jeff is one of my favourite players but his form has been rubbish. Since when do good teams just allow that to continue when our reserves are in scintillating form? As great as he can be he isn't Rioli or even Betts for that matter that can win games of their own boot. He contributes well when in form but I can't recall him owning a game and creating a win, certainly in a long time. 

 

But posters like picket need to be blood boiling enraged over something each week so this will have to do I guess. 

I'm Not "Blood Boiling enraged" about this at all, far from it, BUT I always reckon blokes like Jeffy can kick 2 or 3 Quick goals and break a game open. Yep agree his form has not been good but since when ispur  form a guide when getting a game in this side. Some blokes get games because of size and percieved strenghts. Some of these in my view are not deserving of a game. Anyway what do I I know?? Jack Sheeeit and I don't get paid megabucks in a Million dollar industry to get selection right now do I??

[Satyriconhome 10,784]

3 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Its a forum discussing what we think of the changes... 

Its all opinions... 

Kent or harmes wouldn't have got a kick on stratton last week either. 

Garlett takes the best small defender. Kent and Harmes don't. Jeff has two bad games. Kent and Harmes have had about 6 good quarters each.

My opinion, don't think Harmes will make the cut either this weekend and will be emergency.

[DemonLad5 1,642]

8 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Interesting that you have Grimes in your side, when many of the punters on this forum have written him off.  What's your rationale there?

Personally I thought Kent had a good physical presence last week, did a few other good things and I'd still have him in my side, though Harmes was no better than Kennedy got dropped for the week before and so I think he'd be the similar sized/type player to make way for Grimes.

He has been super consistent in the 2s and deserves a shot. Harmes and Kent have been poor and have been on the brink of being dropped for a while

[chook fowler 19,458]

Sidebottom is the danger man. If he can be curbed we will win IMO.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, CBDees said:

Since the Club has only announced dropping Garlett (one player) and nominated seven on the extended interchange (three of whom become the emergencies after training on Saturday), this talk of dropping Harmes or Kent for Grimes or Kennedy would contradict the Club's statements now that they have said that Viney would be coming back if okay to play. If Viney is not Okay then they would be obligated to bring back Kennedy who they also made an announcement about, whereas to bring them both in as they foreshadowed, either Kent or Harmes would have to get sick/injured (& not play for Casey where they are also named). To bring in Grimes and/or Mitchie might well cop a fine. Oliver will play for the Dees and not in the back pocket for Casey where he is named.

The seven nominated on the extended interchange (four to play) are:

• Oliver 
• Viney
• Grimes
• Kennedy
• Mitchie
• Harmes
• Kent

If we only bring in one player (i.e. No sudden sickness/injury) then it must surely be Viney (if okay) though Kennedy is the only other option if the Club hasn't been foxing with their public announcements.

Clubs Fox!!? Well I never ?

Ben Ken it is

[AzzKikA 2,371]

10 hours ago, DemonLad5 said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-09/jeremy-howe-sore-and-doesnt-train-but-may-still-face-melbourne

Best line out of that article "but the defender"

[beelzebub 23,331]

1 minute ago, AzzKikA said:

Best line out of that article "but the defender"

Not sure who's been sucked in more. Jeremy or Fizzboy !!

[ArtificialWisdom 4,045]

1 hour ago, CBDees said:

Since the Club has only announced dropping Garlett (one player) and nominated seven on the extended interchange (three of whom become the emergencies after training on Saturday), this talk of dropping Harmes or Kent for Grimes or Kennedy would contradict the Club's statements now that they have said that Viney would be coming back if okay to play. If Viney is not Okay then they would be obligated to bring back Kennedy who they also made an announcement about, whereas to bring them both in as they foreshadowed, either Kent or Harmes would have to get sick/injured (& not play for Casey where they are also named). To bring in Grimes and/or Mitchie might well cop a fine. Oliver will play for the Dees and not in the back pocket for Casey where he is named.

The seven nominated on the extended interchange (four to play) are:

• Oliver 
• Viney
• Grimes
• Kennedy
• Mitchie
• Harmes
• Kent

If we only bring in one player (i.e. No sudden sickness/injury) then it must surely be Viney (if okay) though Kennedy is the only other option if the Club hasn't been foxing with their public announcements.

What? no.... they could pick Michie, Viney, Kennedy, Grimes out of those 4 (i wouldn't but example) which would not be a fine. We only 'annonced' dropping Garlett technically none of the other ins or outs are finalised so they can still drop/pick any of them they want with no consern for fines. As long as its before sunday they can even bring in someone not even named! (again the probably wont)  They wouldn't even name a team untill saturday if the AFL allowed that. 

[Chris 2,892]

A few stats for this week. (of full team including extended bench)

	MFC	CFC		Diff
Average Age	23.1	23.7		-0.6
Average Games	59.5	74.2		-14.7
Back Line
Ave Age	21.7	23.2		-1.5
Ave Games	36.0	60.0		-24.0
Fol (includes wing)
Ave Age	24.7	23.3		1.3
Ave Games	97.7	94.8		2.8
Fwd
Ave Age	22.1	24.1		-2.0
Ave Games	67.2	75.2		-8.0
Int
Ave Age	22.1	24.1		-2.0
Ave Games	40.3	67.9		-27.6
Melbourne
Games	Backline	Fol	Fwd	Int	total
0-50	4	2	3	5	14
51-100	2	2	1	2	7
101-150	0	0	2	0	2
151-200	0	1	0	0	1
200+	0	1	0	0	1
					25
CFC
Games	Backline	Fol	Fwd	Int	total
0-50	2	1	3	3	9
51-100	2	3	0	2	7
101-150	2	0	2	1	5
151-200	0	1	1	1	3
200+	0	1	0	0	1
					25
	MFC Back	CFC Fwd		Diff
Age	21.7	24.1		-2.5
Games	36.0	75.2		-39.2
	MFC Fwd	CFC Back
Age	22.1	23.2		-1.0
Games	67.2	60.0		7.2

 

Once again we go into a game as the younger less experience side and yet again we will probably hear all about how our opposition are a team of kids with little to no mention of our age demographic. 

[poita 3,902]

Grimes, Oliver, Viney and Kennedy for me. Both Harmes and Kent need some time at Casey to reset, and Vandenberg, Kennedy and Petracca are all capable of playing similar roles. I understand the demotion of Garlett, but don't like it when others (namely Harmes and Kent) have done less for longer. Grimes should have been in the side three months ago, and is clearly the best of a poor bench (Viney aside).

[Ted Lasso 19,476]

On 6/10/2016 at 9:05 AM, chook fowler said:

Sidebottom is the danger man. If he can be curbed we will win IMO.

Agreed! i'd be tempted to run someone with him, maybe Tommy Bugg or Trenners could do the job

[Lucifers Hero 39,728]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

Sidebottom is the danger man. If he can be curbed we will win IMO.

Bernie is the man for the job! 

[Chris 2,892]

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Bernie is the man for the job! 

And send Bugg to Pendles. Their two main play makers getting royally annoyed by these two would be great to watch. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Bernie is the man for the job! 

Bernie has a terrific head-to-head record against Pendlebury - I'd be sticking to what's worked in the past. Bugg to run with Sidebottom.

[Lucifers Hero 39,728]

6 minutes ago, Chris said:

And send Bugg to Pendles. Their two main play makers getting royally annoyed by these two would be great to watch. 

Yes, Bugg could 'test' Pendles ribs to see if they are still sore, while giving him some lip about McQuan's claim he should be dumped as captain.

Bugg can really ruffle his feathers physically and mentally!!

Edited June 10, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[DubDee 25,808]

The big question: who plays on Cloke?

I reckon Dunn will get the job

[Lucifers Hero 39,728]

Just now, DubDee said:

The big question: who plays on Cloke?

I reckon Dunn will get the job

DubDee, are you not paying attention or just being mischievous: Dunn injured, Cloke dropped.

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

I'm thinking about Jeff's spell more to do with Hogan and Collingwood's increased speed in backline. They will be onto what happened out the back last time.

[DubDee 25,808]

Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

DubDee, are you not paying attention or just being mischievous: Dunn injured, Cloke dropped.

sorry yeah just being a smartar#e

amazing how things have changed so quickly as the above was being discussed this time last year and now if the vfl teams were playing each other this weekend they would be matched up!

[DubDee 25,808]

Viney and Kennedy in for Harmes and Garlett.  Trac and Oliver to play more fwd. Kennedy to be mostly fwd

I'm glad we finally have some standards and have dropped Garlett.  Previously we would not have and everyone would lament his inconsistency and say we should have sent him a message.  well here it is, Jeff - lift your intensity and work rate or you'll be in the twos.