2014 recruiting creating a dynasty

[Sir Why You Little 35,319]

2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

If nothing else, I think the club learned a lot about what not to do when building a list from the Prendergast years.

Had to learn in the hardest way possible, but looks like we've learned.

Wasn't hard though was it

draft in solid young guys who want to hunt the ball. 

Prendergast and his team were clueless. What were they triying to build?

nicely behaved boys who look good in a Blazer?

Ahh to read a Red and Blueprint. 

How can an experienced CEO construct a Template that is so wrong on every level?

if it was his first job then maybe a small amount of understanding, but it was his 4th term!!!

[ChaserJ 4,087]

So many picks that looked like they were busy being clever and trying to trump other teams, but looks like the theory in practice was back to front and lacked clear focus.

[Biffen 12,522]

2 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

So many picks that looked like they were busy being clever and trying to trump other teams, but looks like the theory in practice was back to front and lacked clear focus.

In other words they completely  f..ked everything up .

[hemingway 7,608]

3 hours ago, It's Time said:

True but few of them are starting from such a low base as we have been trawling in over the past few years. We don't have to do a real lot to make a quantum improvement. Things like know our basic game plan. Have the fitness to run both ways. Have big enough bodies to compete to get the ball. Basic understanding of where to position yourself on the field. Basic understanding of the game to be able to anticipate where the opposition are likely to kick the ball rather than waiting for it to be kicked and then chase after it and hope to hit the contest. Have a basic structure of competitive players in every position rather than having gaping holes with no competitive players. Like our forward line over the pre Jesse era. 

We have already seen plenty of these things appear over the preseason. It's not overnight. They've been building since Roosy arrived but now the full package to whatever standard that is at present, is ready. Who knows what it'll translate to in wins.  But it is clearly better footy. And there's a lot more depth of talented, knowledgeable, adequately conditioned, skilled players. 

Agree well put

[jayceebee31 692]

7 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Gawn, Tom McD, & Dunn all showed some talent & ability from their first few games Oscar has not.  He was at Casey reserves for the first half of 2015 then got 2 charity games at the end.

In the NAB games this year he has been awful and pretty much completely lost.  He has no strength or physical aggression, poor vision and ordinary disposal.

I sincerely hope he makes it too but lets keeps some perspective. 

For God's sake..he has only played two ruddy games of AFL.

 

as you state, he has progressed very well....isn't that some perspective...called development...

[jayceebee31 692]

2 hours ago, Biffen said:

In other words they completely  f..ked everything up .

Spot on...Chaser, you need to say it as it is....don't [censored] foot around....they stuffed up as Biff states.

[dee-luded 2,958]

18 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

If nothing else, I think the club learned a lot about what not to do when building a list from the Prendergast years.

Had to learn in the hardest way possible, but looks like we've learned.

 

yes CJ,  & good lessons learned,  but they cannot stop the negatives from well-meaning supporters who give the unhealthy message just trying to help.   Some players can stay realistic,  & some lose perception from the backslapping,  & get carried away with themselves & lose discipline. 

the message here is Garlett has shown already in his past,  that he can get wayward.

 

imo,  he would be better served,  kept a tad insecure of his spot,  but needs at the same time to be fully confident onfield.  2 different things. can be symbiotica

Edited March 16, 2016 by dee-luded

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

16 hours ago, Biffen said:

In other words they completely  f..ked everything up .

I believe the word we use is 'prendergasted'.

[rpfc 27,673]

Can we cool the talk of 'dynasties' until we actually do something more than win 7 games in a season?

[Little Goffy 12,966]

Dunno about 'dynasty' talk, but it is quite remarkable that in a single draft/trade period we look like we brought in as many as ten AFL-credible players.

The OP is going to wet himself when he remembers Aaron VandenBerg from the rookie draft that year as well.

 

As a side note - the superpower teams of recent years - Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney - each got to the point they are at by a combination of one or two 'stellar' recruiting periods, followed by a stretch of consistently effective years targeting deficiencies, and then a final 'push' piece of great recruiting (e.g. Selwood, Rioli, Hanneberry) that made a serious contribution to lifting them another step from 'winner' to 'dynasty'.

I say, bring on the few years of consistent and efficient recruiting to eliminate deficiencies. And then the next Ian Ridley! (130 games, 5 premierships - on the cusp of being actually impossible now)

[Its Time for Another 4,058]

7 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Dunno about 'dynasty' talk, but it is quite remarkable that in a single draft/trade period we look like we brought in as many as ten AFL-credible players.

The OP is going to wet himself when he remembers Aaron VandenBerg from the rookie draft that year as well.

 

As a side note - the superpower teams of recent years - Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney - each got to the point they are at by a combination of one or two 'stellar' recruiting periods, followed by a stretch of consistently effective years targeting deficiencies, and then a final 'push' piece of great recruiting (e.g. Selwood, Rioli, Hanneberry) that made a serious contribution to lifting them another step from 'winner' to 'dynasty'.

I say, bring on the few years of consistent and efficient recruiting to eliminate deficiencies. And then the next Ian Ridley! (130 games, 5 premierships - on the cusp of being actually impossible now)

OMG! I was so excited about this trading and drafting list, I don't want to use the term "premature" posting on the back of your reference to "wet himself" but how I could have left out the rookies Vanders and M White is hard to otherwise explain.

 

[radar 1,858]

A few wins under Beckwith, then Ridley. Was it opening five straight?

How come Roden never got a game. 

Waited through the Skilton/Ditterich years. But for an errant Robert Walls kick could've had JOY.  Yeah forgot Denis  Jones, Wayne Reid, Sir Billy. 

Moore and Templeton and return of the prodigal son. Robbie to half back said it all. 

Five minutes of sunshine in one fell SWOOP. Enter Dipper and Dermie. 

Rebuild and rebuild. Balmey anD the Rev. And Scwarters knee, Jacko's back, Stings and Charles. 

Spoons, Diamond Joe and Long's knee. Jimmy, Bailey and Neeld. 

Spare me the dynasty please. 

[Sir Why You Little 35,319]

16 minutes ago, radar said:

A few wins under Beckwith, then Ridley. Was it opening five straight?

How come Roden never got a game. 

Waited through the Skilton/Ditterich years. But for an errant Robert Walls kick could've had JOY.  Yeah forgot Denis  Jones, Wayne Reid, Sir Billy. 

Moore and Templeton and return of the prodigal son. Robbie to half back said it all. 

Five minutes of sunshine in one fell SWOOP. Enter Dipper and Dermie. 

Rebuild and rebuild. Balmey anD the Rev. And Scwarters knee, Jacko's back, Stings and Charles. 

Spoons, Diamond Joe and Long's knee. Jimmy, Bailey and Neeld. 

Spare me the dynasty please. 

Haha keep your eye on the Red and The Blue hey Radar!

My first year following the Demons closely was 1971. I think we won the first 8 games, thinking "How good is this"

i do rememember wearing the full Melbourne Kit to school  (Black or White Shorts in winter) with the Ron Barassi Hi Cut Plastic Boots

We have seen it all except the Big One...

[dee-luded 2,958]

18 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

So many picks that looked like they were busy being clever and trying to trump other teams,  but looks like the theory in practice was back to front and lacked clear focus.

spot on,  the wrong people in the club in-charge, but this is near chronic with us...  50 yrs of fails does not lie.  5 yrs can deceive,  but 50 of the same-old/same-old (barass/northey excepted)

does not lie.  Barass would not come on board unless changes were made more than 12 months out.  so he had a chance to change things. he did.  we reaped results from his teams-work

18 hours ago, Biffen said:

In other words they completely  f..ked everything up .

 

no,  well not really,  the fish rots from the head.   We have had people (boards) in-charge of hiring people,  who just didn't know what to do,  & how to do it.  they are your culprits.  they hired the wrong people, who in-turn,  made bad dee-cisions.

..... so, its our fault,  as a Club,  we have to make sure in future we have truly Footy Smart people,  & not just ex-players making our decisions on the Board,  like the Hiring of Coaches,  our Recruiting Managers,  & the Footy Department heads,  Re development.

 

....  we cannot blame others,  because that encourages us to be apathetic when voting for directors.   This is where the worst of our fails has happened...  

50 yrs tells us its so. 

 

 

 

long live 'Checker & Smith's, & Barass's reputations,  for building fierce competitiveness into they're clubs.

Edited March 16, 2016 by dee-luded

[dee-luded 2,958]

22 hours ago, P-man said:

I find it staggering that anyone would even motion towards putting the red line through Neal-Bullen already. 

agree,   I don't think he has been ruled on..  other than he's just turned 20,  & the others are still 19... stretch etc.  they don't have the bodies for it Yet.

 

others are ahead on seniority maturity.  ANB will get a go IMO,  later this season.

[dee-luded 2,958]

18 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wasn't hard though was it

draft in solid young guys who want to hunt the ball. 

Prendergast and his team were clueless. What were they triying to build?

nicely behaved boys who look good in a Blazer?

Ahh to read a Red and Blueprint. 

How can an experienced CEO construct a Template that is so wrong on every level?

if it was his first job then maybe a small amount of understanding, but it was his 4th term!!!

 

Ahh to read Don Argus's report & ideas, for both the Mfc,  & also the ACB.  Red & Blueprint  was that his?  that to.

[dee-luded 2,958]

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Can we cool the talk of 'dynasties' until we actually do something more than win 7 games in a season?

less talk of it & more work towards making success happen... thats a good start.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

1 hour ago, radar said:

A few wins under Beckwith, then Ridley. Was it opening five straight?

How come Roden never got a game. 

Waited through the Skilton/Ditterich years. But for an errant Robert Walls kick could've had JOY.  Yeah forgot Denis  Jones, Wayne Reid, Sir Billy. 

Moore and Templeton and return of the prodigal son. Robbie to half back said it all. 

Five minutes of sunshine in one fell SWOOP. Enter Dipper and Dermie. 

Rebuild and rebuild. Balmey anD the Rev. And Scwarters knee, Jacko's back, Stings and Charles. 

Spoons, Diamond Joe and Long's knee. Jimmy, Bailey and Neeld. 

Spare me the dynasty please. 

I'm so glad that I haven't been around long enough to associate pain and disappointment with most of those names.

You older supporters must be made of some pretty stern stuff.

[thesleepinggiant 160]

Gone a bit early mate Few more topics/posts (good) before talking DYNASTY yet. Also the players listed are all complimentary players.

Its not the year its the core group which in my opinion is Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Viney, Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver with maybe Weideman ?

Keeping them together in 3-5 years time might be tight ..?

[Akum 2,660]

2 hours ago, Choke said:

I believe the word we use is 'prendergasted'.

I'm just amazed that 'prendergasted' got past the censor.

It's much worse than ...

17 hours ago, jayceebee31 said:

... [censored] foot ...

By the way, good to see you back jayceebee31.

[PaulRB 6,085]

Was thinking about Collingwood's and Geelong's ability to attract experienced players from other clubs last trade season, and think that at the end of this season we should be in a similar position to target and attract specific experienced players to fill any holes in our team as we confidently contemplate serious finals action from 2017 on. 

It would appear to be the final stage required to push into the top 4... as shown by the recruiting of last seasons top 4.

A lot riding on this year being a good one, in order for us to be able to do this.

There's a wonderfull shift that happens as your team rises, where you switch from being the hunted to being the hunters.

Edited March 16, 2016 by PaulRB

[dee-luded 2,958]

1 hour ago, Choke said:

I'm so glad that I haven't been around long enough to associate pain and disappointment with most of those names.

You older supporters must be made of some pretty stern stuff.

Yes, but its mostly only rust nowadays,  Ch... & will

[dee-luded 2,958]

1 hour ago, thesleepinggiant said:

Gone a bit early mate Few more topics/posts (good) before talking DYNASTY yet. Also the players listed are all complimentary players.

Its not the year its the core group which in my opinion is Hogan, Salem, Tyson, Viney, Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver with maybe Weideman ?

Keeping them together in 3-5 years time might be tight ..?

 

DYNASTY's are not made from talking of them,,,   mostly talk of them only causes Rome to Fall.

 

I think they a built on quiet & strong foundations of hard work,  & real talented builders.  they happen from this quietly, & then they stand for the ages.

[old55 21,842]

I think the dynasty is being built on BBBP's late pick genius: 

• 2008 51 Nev Jetta
• 2009 34 Max Gawn
• 2010 53 Tom McDonald

[Ted Lasso 17,308]

the Tyson & Salem deal still rates right up there with the better deals this clubs done in a long time