The Demons aren't fancied to improve according to the Premiership market courtesy of sportsbet.com.au

$4.00 Hawthorn (steady)

$6.00 West Coast (out from $5.20)

$9.00 Fremantle (out from $8.00)

$10.00 Geelong (in from $34)

$11.00 Port Adelaide (in from $15)

$12.00 Sydney (out from $6.70)

$13.00 Richmond (out from $11.50)

$18.00 North Melbourne (out from $15) Western Bulldogs (in from $18.50)

$21.00 Adelaide (in from $34)

$23.00 Collingwood (in from $34)

$23.00 GWS (steady)

$51.00 Gold Coast (out from $23)

$67.00 Essendon (out from $44)

$101.00 Melbourne (out from $95) St Kilda (out from $64)

$151.00 Brisbane (steady)

$251.00 Carlton (steady)

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I really don't get it, all bias aside. Our only real losses are Cross and Howe, the latter of which is questionable. We have by my count 8 new additions (including 4 who missed most/all of last year) that will be amongst the best 22. If nothing else this is a massive increase in our depth and competition for spots. Then when you look at the list you could pretty much say that perhaps everyone bar jones, vince and dunn has a higher level to take their game to compared to what they contributed last year, either due to inexperience and/or form. Our first-to-third year group of talent is surely as good as anyone in the competition. Then you realise it's the third year of a rebuild that can be proven to be on an upwards trajectory (see my signature). I don't see the logic in suggesting we will not improve.

PS As I noted recently in another thread, our fixture shows 13 matches against teams we beat last year and/or finished higher than.

Edited December 1, 20159 yr by Curry & Beer

If everything goes right for Port they know how to beat the Hawks on more than just their home ground. $11 is worth a look.

And yes I'm bloody aware Richmond can trouble the Hawks.

We should be playing finals in 2016.

It seems that there are 8 teams competing for the last 3 spots in the 8.

Richmond

North

Dogs

Adelaide

Port

Gws

Collingwood

Melbourne

Assuming that Hawks, Eagles, Fremantle, Sydney and geelong will be too 5

Will be a tough year to crack the 8

In all honesty its hard to see teams above us on that chart being overtaken by us (apart from essendon).

I do think it will happen though, im just not sure who we will overtake.

I really don't get it, all bias aside. Our only real losses are Cross and Howe, the latter of which is questionable. We have by my count 8 new additions (including 4 who missed most/all of last year) that will be amongst the best 22. If nothing else this is a massive increase in our depth and competition for spots. Then when you look at the list you could pretty much say that perhaps everyone bar jones, vince and dunn has a higher level to take their game to compared to what they contributed last year, either due to inexperience and/or form. Our first-to-third year group of talent is surely as good as anyone in the competition. Then you realise it's the third year of a rebuild that can be proven to be on an upwards trajectory (see my signature). I don't see the logic in suggesting we will not improve.

PS As I noted recently in another thread, our fixture shows 13 matches against teams we beat last year and/or finished higher than.

And even more importantly I would think that Jones' year wasn't one of his better years due to his neck injury. So am expecting even better things from him (compared to 2015) which just reinforces your point about our price being way over the odds.

Quite interesting. In talking with other similarly minded folk tonight those odds seem laughable.

There is NO way anyone can really kniw...it's footy after all.

Some teams will respond to the interchange cap, others won't, i expect it to suit Freo and Sydney in a big way, i think Bennell can get Freo over the line for their first flag this year.

Wonder what the Bulldogs premiership odds were at the start of last season? Or Port's a few years before that?

It's really irrelevant what the bookies think about how we'll perform. The fact they have Essendon above us is laughable enough, considering what CAS could smack them down with in a few weeks.

I have no problem with $101/1 for the flag. We are no chance at all

Much more interested in the odds for the eight. If we are long odds for that too there may be money to be made

I personally think Geelong have [censored] themselves trying to hold on. Scott can't build a list and is [censored] up their future to salvage his career.

If Selwood or Danger go down injured they will slump so hard

I have no problem with $101/1 for the flag. We are no chance at all

Much more interested in the odds for the eight. If we are long odds for that too there may be money to be made

as you might be able to guess, the top8 odds pretty match match the premiership odds order exactly

meaning we are third last at 11.00 which is actually a drop of three ladder places from last year

absolute garbage

I won't be betting though as I think we will win 10-11 and finish around 11th on the ladder

Give me a hundred-and-one parallel universes and we still wouldn't win the flag; so I'd say those odds are generous (or stingy, since we'll never pay out cause we won't win one).

Why would they have Essendon above Melbourne, effectively implying that Essendon would improve next year? And it seems to ignore that nearly a third on their list could well be sitting out next season (or more), watching on from the stands, after the CAS drugs outcome.

Well if they know Essendon fans like I do, they are a monte to win the flag this year.

I reckon if my mate saw those odds he'd throw on $50 and right up to the final siren be adamant that they would win the flag.

On 12/2/2015 5:12:43, Gorgoroth said:

Well if they know Essendon fans like I do, they are a monte to win the flag this year.

I reckon if my mate saw those odds he'd throw on $50 and right up to the final siren be adamant that they would win the flag.

How do we get that money ...hmmm

32 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How do we get that money ...hmmm

looks like that quoting issue is fixed already, bub

On 1 December 2015 at 20:18:30, Unstable Dees fan said:

Some teams will respond to the interchange cap, others won't, i expect it to suit Freo and Sydney in a big way, i think Bennell can get Freo over the line for their first flag this year.

Was that pun intended?

On 12/1/2015, 11:50:29, olisik said:

I personally think Geelong have [censored] themselves trying to hold on. Scott can't build a list and is [censored] up their future to salvage his career.

If Selwood or Danger go down injured they will slump so hard

Censor not working?

On 12/2/2015, 2:44:33, Spirit of '87 said:

Why would they have Essendon above Melbourne, effectively implying that Essendon would improve next year? And it seems to ignore that nearly a third on their list could well be sitting out next season (or more), watching on from the stands, after the CAS drugs outcome.

Why? Because the odds are determined by the amount of money held by the bookies on each team, not by the bookies' own opinion. In effect, this means that right now more money has been bet on Essendon than on Melbourne. 

On 12/3/2015, 9:16:07, McQueen said:

Was that pun intended?

On 12/1/2015, 9:54:45, Curry & Beer said:

I really don't get it, all bias aside. Our only real losses are Cross and Howe, the latter of which is questionable. We have by my count 8 new additions (including 4 who missed most/all of last year) that will be amongst the best 22. If nothing else this is a massive increase in our depth and competition for spots. Then when you look at the list you could pretty much say that perhaps everyone bar jones, vince and dunn has a higher level to take their game to compared to what they contributed last year, either due to inexperience and/or form. Our first-to-third year group of talent is surely as good as anyone in the competition. Then you realise it's the third year of a rebuild that can be proven to be on an upwards trajectory (see my signature). I don't see the logic in suggesting we will not improve.

 

PS As I noted recently in another thread, our fixture shows 13 matches against teams we beat last year and/or finished higher than.

What signature?

If I was a bookie and I knew Dees punters were big punters traditionally, I'd be installing them at $101 too. Make it attractive #money4jam

Dees to make the Eight. Forgetting about Coll Ess and Gee cause I have serious suspicions about Team Settlement there. And I hate em...