i think he's gone.

Your thoughts ?

And I'm not being adversarial. .I'm asking.

He's one sided...like Jordie. No place anymore for such.

Well, it's the Toumpas thread, and not sure of Riley's current contract status, but I'd be surprised if we hang on to him (Riley that is).

We are nearly a week into this thread and no announcement from the Club?

I have droped him like a hot rock!

As for Jimmy I just don't see anything but average at best G

Please tell me you see more?

I do, but like Watts early in his career I'd watch a player fun to the right spots but never have the ball kicked to them because we just hit the boundary.

Like Smith and Suckling at the Hawks, those players rely on their teammates getting the ball to them when they run to good spots. Sadly with both Watts and Toumpas they don't go to those spots so much due to the game plans inflicted upon them.

Hate to see him go and prosper elsewhere , played great against the cats this year , another 2 years and hopefully its away we go.

Are we likely to get sufficient value from delisting or trading Toumpas to outweigh his potential future upside? Probably not. In actual fact, he would likely be replaced by a younger, more speculative, less ready to go type.

Yes, dependent on the upside. The other way of looking at this (and I'm not saying this will be the case with Toumpas) is that emotion plays a part in any decision and sometimes clubs 'chase their losses' particularly if they've invested a top pick. Whether a player gets more time on a list to develop shouldn't be determined by what draft pick they were taken with.

Evidenced by the club's decision on Cross, I very much doubt they'll be seeking to renew Toumpas' contract based on emotions.

Sorry, just to make an addendum to an earlier post now that the teams have been named:

The following are injured, or added to last week's 22

Dawes, Frost, Kent, Lumumba, Pedersen, Petracca, Trengove, Tyson, Vandenberg PLUS White, Harmes, Brayshaw, Kennedy-Harris

That makes a total of 35 'in the mix' at the moment

This means everyone at Casey this week are 'ranked' 36th best at the club, meaning they are the bottom 9 players on the list including rookies. This is where Toumpas is currently at. The others in this unfortunate group are King, Fitzpatrick, Riley, Terlich, Bail, McKenzie, Hunt and Jamar.

I'm neither for or against JT at this stage but can anyone argue with this logic?

Only argument would be with position specific players such as Jamar. Wouldn't say he was in the bottom 8 players but is in the bottom couple of rucks. This doesn't really help a versatile player like the Toump though.

We are nearly a week into this thread and no announcement from the Club?

yeah, starting to look like a dud rumour

op: "Jay Clark just reported on triple m that he will sign a new 2 year deal and will be announced this week."

Roos meant you when he spoke of negativity...

Ha ha

no he's not talking about the surface negativity of doubt.

he's talking about the impatience & the demanding of our structures to slowly build a strong list. that the people contacting them are so Irate from they're disbelief, they don't trust anyone to be doing the best things to fix this club properly. the right way.

........ & also with learning defence first, before learning offence. Learn to do the less palatable things well first, then learn to appreciate the sweets after.

& also the hard critique of players, who haven't matured yet...

I have droped him like a hot rock!

As for Jimmy I just don't see anything but average at best G

Please tell me you see more?

This tape will self destrucvt in 5 seconds. GIVE ME A BREAK

Whether a player gets more time on a list to develop shouldn't be determined by what draft pick they were taken with.

I agree, and when has that ever happened, really? How much time the clubs in question give players is driven by what the club sees as the potential upside. It stands to reason that there'd be a correlation between the draft pick used and how much upside the club thinks the player has, so often the high draft pick does get more time. But there's also plenty of examples where there's been no correlation and the early draft pick gets the flick quickly (see Lucas Cook).

I agree, and when has that ever happened, really? How much time the clubs in question give players is driven by what the club sees as the potential upside. It stands to reason that there'd be a correlation between the draft pick used and how much upside the club thinks the player has, so often the high draft pick does get more time. But there's also plenty of examples where there's been no correlation and the early draft pick gets the flick quickly (see Lucas Cook).

Please don't talk about Lucas Cook…..

Still no announcement.

Still no announcement.

Where's your cape, Captain Obvious?

A lot has been read into Watts getting a surprise omission, but what about Toumpas?

Both left out of Casey's side on Saturday - flu-related?
It has been a shocker this year, and a deceptively energy sapping one too.

there's talk on bigfooty that toumpas will retire

A lot has been read into Watts getting a surprise omission, but what about Toumpas?

Both left out of Casey's side on Saturday - flu-related?

It has been a shocker this year, and a deceptively energy sapping one too.

I suspect Watts wasn't eligible to play.

Please don't talk about Lucas Cook…..

You mean the worst draft pick in the history of the world Lucas Cook?

You mean the worst draft pick in the history of the world Lucas Cook?

That's the one. Thinking about our drafting during those years gives me nightmares. Prendergast should have paid back any income he was paid by the club!

That's the one. Thinking about our drafting during those years gives me nightmares. Prendergast should have paid back any income he was paid by the club!

Very true. I was listening on radio to that draft and I felt sick when his name was called out at no.12, made even worse because (the good) Tom Lynch who I wanted us to land went at 11.

Only good thing about Prendergast is he's at Carltank now.

there's talk on bigfooty that toumpas will retire

rumours on bigfooty are only one iota less believable than the ones on here.

Let's make amends for not getting Wines, Doupas not in the same class ... GOODBYE.

It's Jack Watts all over again.

Let's end this one early.

It's Jack Watts all over again.

Let's end this one early.

certainly a touch of deja vu eh.