Just out of interest wanted to see how other key forwards who went on to kick a few sausage rolls fared in the first seasons in front of goal:

Buddy - 21.13

N Riewoldt - 21.18 (2nd season)

J Reiwoldt - 7.3 (Didn't kick over 30 until 3rd year)

Plugger - 19.7

Dunstall - 36.27

Fevolution - 26.29

Roughead - 6.5

Pavlich - 14.9

This is mint.

You didn't finish off that thought.

Nick played a fair bit down back and wing in his 2nd season.

A. Jakovich

Jesse has been extraordinarily good this year and nobody is saying otherwise, but he turned 20 before the start of the season. The extra two years in the gym makes this a completely different scenario to Franklin or Roughead coming in and playing at 18. Franklin kicked 73.62 in the year he turned 20 by way of comparison.

Hogan has benefitted from being on an AFL list for two full years.

One of which he played an entire season at VFL level as a key forward against men.

I don't want to take anything away from him. I love him. But you're taking away from others by missing something as significant as this.

Context.

I really don't understand the point of comparisons like these.

Technically he didn't kick any goals in his first season.

Settle down not detracting or refuting any of the above assertions.

Simply getting round the fact he's having an outstanding year.

Extra two years in the system or not, the way the game is currently played and the delivery of Melbourne's inside 50's this is super impressive!

A. Jakovich

jako was a mature age player though (at 23)

Off field issues delayed Jacko's AFL debut. His talent was well known in WA and SA circles. He was a bit of a nomad playing everywhere before he came to Melbourne.

32.14 our Jesse ... good return, accurate ... still a few games to go as well

Comparisons should always provide context.

Plugger was 17 in his debut season.

I love the fact that we have someone that has kicked over 30 goals for the season, and we still have a handful of games to go.

What I love more than the above is that we have 2 players that have kicked over 30 goals.

Been a while since that's happened.

Jesse has been extraordinarily good this year and nobody is saying otherwise, but he turned 20 before the start of the season. The extra two years in the gym makes this a completely different scenario to Franklin or Roughead coming in and playing at 18. Franklin kicked 73.62 in the year he turned 20 by way of comparison.

Well Franklin had 2 full years of experience at AFL level as an 18 and 19 year old

Goes both ways

I love the fact that we have someone that has kicked over 30 goals for the season, and we still have a handful of games to go.

What I love more than the above is that we have 2 players that have kicked over 30 goals.

Been a while since that's happened.

Yep, in 2011 Jurrah and Green combined for 77.. Garlett and Hulk are on 64 now

Just out of interest wanted to see how other key forwards who went on to kick a few sausage rolls fared in the first seasons in front of goal:

Buddy - 21.13

N Riewoldt - 21.18 (2nd season)

J Reiwoldt - 7.3 (Didn't kick over 30 until 3rd year)

Plugger - 19.7

Dunstall - 36.27

Fevolution - 26.29

Roughead - 6.5

Pavlich - 14.9

This is mint.

You didn't finish off that thought.

Hogan 32.14. Season incomplete. Pretty impressive

Even more interesting would be, if findable, how many their team scored in those years, ie what proportion of total team goals they scored.

Wouldn't it be awesome if one of them really got hold of a game before the season is out

Im talking a bag of 8 or 9

v carlton

Plugger never had to face the dreaded Press though. Hogan wins.

There's an article today on the afl website comparing stats from 2000, 2005, 2010 and 2015.

Scoring is down 18% since 2000.

So Hogan's doing this in a lower scoring environment, makes it all the more impressive.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-07/the-inquirer-the-evolving-game

Plugger never had to face the dreaded Press though. Hogan wins.

Must agree 'Chook', Robbo & Rohan are pretty hard to deal with for starters then you have Carro & Hutchy...

Bottom line for me is that Jesse has exceeded my expectations for the year. A goal every game (so far), taking more than a few games by the scruff, and basically showing every bit of his potential.

His contested marking stats alone are incredible for a player playing his first year against AFL players.

Bottom line for me is that Jesse has exceeded my expectations for the year. A goal every game (so far), taking more than a few games by the scruff, and basically showing every bit of his potential.

His contested marking stats alone are incredible for a player playing his first year against AFL players.

I agree Pates. While we all love Hogan's goals, his contested marking and and physicality are the standout features for me. So much more to look forward to with Jesse!!

Hogan 32.14. Season incomplete. Pretty impressive

Even more interesting would be, if findable, how many their team scored in those years, ie what proportion of total team goals they scored.

Absolutely it would. But should probably not sit on AFL stats websites throughout the day while at work.

Either way Hogan has been the most interesting "complete" player we have had in a long time. Age/years in the system/structures/inside 50s/score %.....aside, he is in some pretty good company with respect to his first proper year playing AFL.

Hogan 32.14. Season incomplete. Pretty impressive

Even more interesting would be, if findable, how many their team scored in those years, ie what proportion of total team goals they scored.

Great site for checking records, the season summaries are especially clear - http://afltables.com/afl/afl_index.html

I wonder if Hogan and Garlett are having any friendly competition about end of season tally?

Right now they are tied on 32 - the last time we had a tie it was Neitz and Farmer on 30 apiece in 1997.

I am very comfortable with Hogan/Garlett evoking thoughts of Neitz/Farmer!

Now, who will be our modernised Robbo?

[starts scouring phantom drafts]

What does Hogan Though mean?