John Burns, alleged racial abuse Friday night.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

Hey Bitter, dunno what it says about me, but I enjoy Ross and John on the odd occasion that I hear em (and I enjoy your posts as well)

Certainly seems out of character. He comes across as a very decent fellow. No proof that he said it. Who knows what some eavesdropper misheard? Lets just move on.

He is a Melbourne supporter, but doesn't seem like a very passionate one.

Aaaaaaahhhhhhh!!

[daisycutter 29,917]

Listening to him most mornings, he seems pretty passionate to me!

i think he's passionate, but working beside a mad hawthorn supporter in ross would take the edge off you

[daisycutter 29,917]

Hey Bitter, dunno what it says about me, but I enjoy Ross and John on the odd occasion that I hear em (and I enjoy your posts as well)

Certainly seems out of character. He comes across as a very decent fellow. No proof that he said it. Who knows what some eavesdropper misheard? Lets just move on.

He is a Melbourne supporter, but doesn't seem like a very passionate one.

don't worry about bbo, jara. no radio in romsey, so he would have no idea

[hardtack 10,982]

Id like to think it does matter considering the climate we live in. One could easily say the story was devised to distract from the teams onfield performance(without Bachar's knowledge). That's the problem isn't it, mud does stick. Should this have been investigated more before going public.

Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear... what I meant was "Does it matter if it has or hasn't been confirmed"... because the damage has been done regardless.

[Gorgoroth 13,188]

And a very intelligent poster at that if I remember correctly.

These allegations are all hearsay and I wouldn't give them much credibility unless something more substantive comes to light.

So who was it?

[chook fowler 19,735]

don't worry about bbo, jara. no radio in romsey, so he would have no idea

Not even a crystal set?

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

don't worry about bbo, jara. no radio in romsey, so he would have no idea

Well you have no idea dc!The lads have a short wave in the barn and listen to "voice of the Andes".

Unfortunately it is in some wog language and the lads refuse to translate it..

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear... what I meant was "Does it matter if it has or hasn't been confirmed"... because the damage has been done regardless.

Dead set correct Hard - I've spent years dealing in abuse - confirmation or truth only confounds the matter!

[daisycutter 29,917]

Dead set correct Hard - I've spent years dealing in abuse - confirmation or truth only confounds the matter!

does s&m constitute abuse when it is consensual, bbo?

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,477]

Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear... what I meant was "Does it matter if it has or hasn't been confirmed"... because the damage has been done regardless.

My bad, fair call.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

does s&m constitute abuse when it is consensual, bbo?

Profound question dc and far too complex to examine here.Essentially I just do the flogging and ignore such moral complexities - it is the best way all round.

[chook fowler 19,735]

As a baptised Catholic I am only now just seeing the light!

Question can you be a Humanist and Existentialist at the same time??

As I see it now, "Religion IS the opiate of the people"

Take away this determination to prove that there is something after life and you also take away the desire to do as your God would have you do!

I am now of the opinion, look after family first, friends next and the rest will be what will be!

live well, enjoy, treat others as you would like to be treated and you will have a great life, free of this inane Religious consciousness!

Bless you my son.

[rjay 25,349]

Highly ironic that Ross started his radio career on the alternstive, leftish 3RRR with "Lawyers guns and money". That was as a funny and interesting show, but he sold out to 3AW (as I would have, to be fair).

Actually I think that "Lawyers, Guns & Money" featuring Donaghue, Banks and Campbell (Stevenson) was on 3AW.

It moved to AW like the Coodabbeens and other good RRR shows moved on. From memory Donaghue (not sure of real name) kept up his leftish and/or irreverent leaning which the AW management weren't to keen on and he got the flick and somewhere along the line the show changed names.

[chook fowler 19,735]

Thank you Father, I have said my three "Hails" and three "Ours" can I go now??

After you put some folding stuff in the penitence box.

[picket fence 18,066]

And back to the issue, Racial vilification in any way is extremely abhorant!

[Little Goffy 14,793]

Its a bizarre one.

If the comments were made, that's gross and stupid.

If the comments were overheard by someone who cared, then they should have pulled him up about it on the spot.

"Immediate and suitably proportional" response is the only way to change behavior.

Honestly, taking it direct to the media sends a signal to me that the person who overheard it didn't really care about change, just wanted to have a snipe out of it. In the process doing a disservice to the issue itself.

All pretty grubby, really.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

And back to the issue, Racial vilification in any way is extremely abhorant!

Religious vilification too

[daisycutter 29,917]

Religious vilification too

is that an oxymoron?

[chook fowler 19,735]

Heard Bacher Houli interviewed about the matter. His response was all class - very articulate and measured.

Impressive and a great role model.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

Religious vilification too

Racial and religious vilification can have blurred boundaries sometimes. An Indian friend told me he and his brother have been called terrorists/ jihadists/ IS supporters despite being Hindus. Presumably because the bigoted name callers saw only the color of their skin or that they looked 'different'. I don't know the answer to this question, but would Houli have been called a terrorist if he was a clean shaven, pale skinned redhead who also happened to be a Muslim?

[What 18,810]

"I don't remember saying it"

Yeah, we totally believe you John Burns.. whoever you are.

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

IMO the biggest issue here is possible invasion of privacy. Far outweighs what he said if he did say it privately. I mix with a lot of people and have attended parties and functions from many ethnic groups, Some which have been well known victims of racism. The racist talk there can be quite shocking and disgusting. Members here of certain ethnic groups will know exactly what I am talking about. As far as I am concerned they shall remain publically anonymous. Every ethnicity and culture shares the same vulnerability to racist action and thought. Having snoops report on private coniversations were the foundation stones the Gestapo, KGB and Stasi were built on.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

It moved to AW like the Coodabbeens and other good RRR shows moved on. From memory Donaghue (not sure of real name) kept up his leftish and/or irreverent leaning which the AW management weren't to keen on and he got the flick and somewhere along the line the show changed names.

He was actually enjoyed life too much and was known to turn up to "work" a little worse for wear. As for "Burns", when an allegation is made, such as the one that had been levelled against him, it beggars belief, as far as I'm concerned, that you would not remember whether you uttered such words or not. The haste with which the so-called apology was accepted is equally hard to accept. I am not making judgement, but a 13 year old girl was called to account and held to account, when she vilified Adam Goodes. How has this issue been swept under the carpet so quickly?

[daisycutter 29,917]

here is the Hun's take on it http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/aw-breakfast-co-host-john-burns-apologises-for-bachar-houli-terrorist-slur-he-cant-recall/story-fni5f22o-1227323935136

for those who don't know "Bulltish Artist of the Week" refers to a segment 3aw runs on Breakfast show hosted by burns and stevenson

burns was a guest of richmond at the game, invited by steve price a richmond supporter

he was seated with price with gillom mc seated behind and the informant seated somewhere in front who claimed he overhead a conversation

given this environment i find it hard to believe he would have called houli a terrorist

price says he had no recollection and he is a richmond supporter

anyway, all a bit strange to me

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

"Send Lawyers, Guns & Money the sh!te has hit the fan.."

Warren Zevon. R.I.P.