Raiding GWS

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

The worst aspect of all these mooted trades is that gws will retain picks at the pointy end of the draft to replenish their list if they lose one or two youngsters a year for the next five years, before they start becoming free agents.

It's hard to see them or gc17 getting worse.

My order of preference to target:

- Treloar

- Shiel

- Whitfield

- Kelly

- Coniglio

- Hoskin-Elliott

- Smith

- Greene

- Bugg

The amount of depth they have running through their midfield is scary.

I'm fine with trading high end draft pics for developed, proven young stars. GWS will be the ultimate feeder club. better them than us

[jackaub 1,402]

Zak Jones seems to be struggling to get a game in the Swans star studded side. I think he could be a great value trade probably only costs a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I would love to see us do the following this off season:

- Trade our first pick (likely between 2-5) to GWS or Brisbane for one of: Shiel, Treloar, Coniglio or Aish.

- Trade our 3rd round pick for Zak Jones

- Bring in a free agent (thinking Scott Selwood)

- Bring in a decent ruckman (thinking Gorringe or Leunberger)

Why would we want him if he cannot play at AFL level Just because his name is Jones. Does'nt make sence.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Tyson ?

Tyson was a different case. He had hardly played and therefore hadn't cemented a spot in their side unlike Treloar and Shiel. Tyson was also still under contract and we actually head-hunted him and made a very bold move considering the injuries he had during his first couple of seasons.

Treloar and Shiel are currently coming out of contract, will have a host of Victorian clubs lining up and are the best two mids GWS have got and I just don't see why they'd come to us over other Victorian sides who could offer as much money and would be a more attractive destionation as a club.

Surely you can see the differences in scenarios?

Lower clubs have better picks, which is what GWS will want in return for their guns...

I disagree. They'll want ready made AFL players with experience or picks that they can then trade for players like that. Their desire for top draft picks is becoming less and less. All of they're young players who have been there from the start are starting to perform. They'll want more blokes like Patful and Griffen to continue to support and guide their young crop of talented leaders.

[DistrACTION Jackson 10,425]

Why would we want him if he cannot play at AFL level Just because his name is Jones. Does'nt make sence.

The fact he isn't playing is not because he isn't up to AFL standard. It's because he plays in the 2nd best side in the comp. with a deep midfield.

[Sir Why You Little 37,342]

The fact he isn't playing is not because he isn't up to AFL standard. It's because he plays in the 2nd best side in the comp. with a deep midfield.

Zac would be best 22 standard at the MFC or still need time at Casey??

[Ted Lasso 19,568]

Wyl Zac would imo be best 26

Still got some development to come but he'd be pressing for selection and very much fringe, he is good enough to play at AFL level and is more than anything suffering from the quality of the swans list

[jumbo returns 6,741]

The pact, the pact.

The core will stay together.

Shiel, Coniglio, Treloar, Hoskins-Wallace, Green, Tomlinson, Cameron will all stay.

There might be some lesser lights available for plucking, but due diligence needs to be done first.

I trust Roos and Goodwin to make that call.

[Moonshadow 17,678]

Zac would be best 22 standard at the MFC or still need time at Casey??

At times, both. His development appears to be tracked patiently at Sydney. They can afford to do that. He'd certainly get plenty of senior games at MFC. Zac has a lot of potential. Maybe he's slipping under the radar because he's playing 2s in an interstate side.

I hope everyone would agree that his family ties would not be the reason we might trade for him.

[The Chazz 4,077]

At times, both. His development appears to be tracked patiently at Sydney. They can afford to do that. He'd certainly get plenty of senior games at MFC. Zac has a lot of potential. Maybe he's slipping under the radar because he's playing 2s in an interstate side.

I hope everyone would agree that his family ties would not be the reason we might trade for him.

I'd be surprised if we would be talking about him if it wasn't because of his brother. Or maybe that he has been noticed more by Demon supporters because of his surname.

[DistrACTION Jackson 10,425]

There is no doubt the fact his brother is our captain would have us slightly more interested. The reason is that it would likely make him more open to moving to play for us than anything else. I know he played some footy in the pre-season and looked right at home. He likes the tough stuff, but seems a bit raw like his brother. At least we know we would get maximum effort and desire to improve.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Yarran Watts

3 Games 3

12.3 Kicks Per Game 8.0

2.0 Handballs Per Game 6.7

14.3 Disposals Per Game 14.7

4.3 Marks Per Game 5.3

0 Goals Per Game 1.0

0.3 Behinds Per Game 0.3

2.0 Tackles Per Game 2.0

0 Hitouts Per Game 0

1.7 Inside 50s Per Game 1.7 1.

0 Goal Assists Per Game 1.0

0.7 Frees For Per Game 1.0

2.0 Frees Against Per Game 1.0

3.7 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.3

You just hate Watts.

no, I don't hate watts at all. I hate the way her goes about his game at the moment.

the idea of that trade scenario is its a like for like !

IMO Yarran has a lot of untapped potential & wants to go (both ways, wants to be a great player: & wants to go as well). I happen to think under Roos'ys methods, Yarren's game will develop. And then Goodwin takes over the methodology.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Tyson was a different case. He had hardly played and therefore hadn't cemented a spot in their side unlike Treloar and Shiel. Tyson was also still under contract and we actually head-hunted him and made a very bold move considering the injuries he had during his first couple of seasons.

Treloar and Shiel are currently coming out of contract, will have a host of Victorian clubs lining up and are the best two mids GWS have got and I just don't see why they'd come to us over other Victorian sides who could offer as much money and would be a more attractive destionation as a club.

Surely you can see the differences in scenarios?

I disagree. They'll want ready made AFL players with experience or picks that they can then trade for players like that. Their desire for top draft picks is becoming less and less. All of they're young players who have been there from the start are starting to perform. They'll want more blokes like Patful and Griffen to continue to support and guide their young crop of talented leaders.

Shiel will cost more now he's strutting his stuff, & there is a reason he's hot property amongst all the power clubs wishes; ahead of treloar. he is more than just a runner.

Tyson was a different case. He had hardly played and therefore hadn't cemented a spot in their side unlike Treloar and Shiel. Tyson was also still under contract and we actually head-hunted him and made a very bold move considering the injuries he had during his first couple of seasons.

Treloar and Shiel are currently coming out of contract, will have a host of Victorian clubs lining up and are the best two mids GWS have got and I just don't see why they'd come to us over other Victorian sides who could offer as much money and would be a more attractive destionation as a club.

Surely you can see the differences in scenarios?

I disagree. They'll want ready made AFL players with experience or picks that they can then trade for players like that. Their desire for top draft picks is becoming less and less. All of they're young players who have been there from the start are starting to perform. They'll want more blokes like Patful and Griffen to continue to support and guide their young crop of talented leaders.

I agree they will want ready made players moving forward which will be enticed thru salary cap $$$

& they'll continue topping up their future, via the draft.

[dee-luded 2,959]

You really are deluded. With the possible exception of Watts for Yarran, no-one in their right mind would accept any one of those trades.

Aish is currently overvalued, his value is on speculation.

he has great potential.

& those trade ideas are just loose suggestions as a rough guide taking about 2.5 mins to write.. it is meant to be just thought provoking as to which players we may consider both ways in deals

it isn't a letter to the Mfc recruiting dept' as the basis of a contract offer.

[jacey 333]

One player that we might get on the cheap who think will be a great player is Will Hoskin Elliot.

Contract is 2015 but so was another 2 from this article.

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-02-27/the-magnificent-seven

Treloar has already on another level but Hoskin Elliots second half of last year was as promising as anything Shiel has done.

Unfortunately he is unjured atm and light framed but the kid has talent.

[autocol 448]

At least we know we would get maximum effort and desire to improve.

We don't know that at all. My brother is utterly unlike me in every way with regards to effort and motivation. Zac could likewise be rather unlike Nate.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Shiel goes out with Mark Williams (Choco) daughter. I reckon if he is going anywhere in Victoria there is a big draw to go to the Tigers. Gotta keep your father in law happy

[dee-luded 2,959]

Shiel goes out with Mark Williams (Choco) daughter. I reckon if he is going anywhere in Victoria there is a big draw to go to the Tigers. Gotta keep your father in law happy

so we should maybe employ his possible father in law, in our recruiting dept' budget then?

[T&W 38]

Shiel goes out with Mark Williams (Choco) daughter. I recon if he is going anywhere in Victoria there is a big draw to go to the Tigers. Gotta keep your father in law happy

Your on the money big boy. But Tigers first priority is to sign Rance.

[H_T 3,049]

Shiel goes out with Mark Williams (Choco) daughter. I reckon if he is going anywhere in Victoria there is a big draw to go to the Tigers. Gotta keep your father in law happy

Some father-in-laws would give the advice, "go for what you can get"...and some I'd imagine wouldn't want to work with their son-in-laws too.

Shiel will go where he wants to go.

[T&W 38]

Some father-in-laws would give the advice, "go for what you can get"...and some I'd imagine wouldn't want to work with their son-in-laws too.

Shiel will go where he wants to go.

You obviously have never met ex-GWS coach Choco Williams.

[Young Dee 1,303]

I'm fine with trading high end draft pics for developed, proven young stars. GWS will be the ultimate feeder club. better them than us

Same - there are pros:

- More knowledge of what we are getting (less risk)

- Less time needed developing

- Can target player we need vs taking best available (we need an explosive/outside mid)

As a long suffering demon fan it is hard seeing high picked draftees come in and knowing that they might take 5 years to develop. It will be tough winning a premiership with this list given GC and GWS have a similar premiership window.

[titan_uranus 25,212]

It's undoubtedly going to be tough convincing any of their players to come to us when you'd expect Hawthorn, Sydney, Fremantle and Port to be making similar offers.

We have to show real development this year so that finals are not a mere dream, so that we can offer a young list where they'll slot into the middle and be a part of an upwards trend, rather than slotting into a side where the stars are old and nearing the end, and the side might well be hitting its peak. That's about all we've got, and we can't do that if we don't keep winning and improving.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,339]

It's undoubtedly going to be tough convincing any of their players to come to us when you'd expect Hawthorn, Sydney, Fremantle and Port to be making similar offers.

We have to show real development this year so that finals are not a mere dream, so that we can offer a young list where they'll slot into the middle and be a part of an upwards trend, rather than slotting into a side where the stars are old and nearing the end, and the side might well be hitting its peak. That's about all we've got, and we can't do that if we don't keep winning and improving.

The four teams you mention only one is in Victoria and that will be the main driver I suspect and not chasing success. I really hope Shiel was watching last nights game. Its important we land one of Shiel, Treloar or Hoskin Elliott as they all have the dash and skill we lack through our midfield.

[Redleg 42,052]

Shiel goes out with Mark Williams (Choco) daughter. I reckon if he is going anywhere in Victoria there is a big draw to go to the Tigers. Gotta keep your father in law happy

Good get but meaningless.

Agree with the grin at the end.