Changes for Round 4

[Bobby McKenzie 2,383]

Nice of you guys to remember me! But, I was better than that! (A "vital cog", you might say! LOL)

Oh! And, my name is spelt BARRIE...!

Now both of you guys were great , BUT not as classy and as MODEST as ME !!!! Looks like us half forward flankers have show our present boys that you can kick goals from football's so called 'graveyard'.

[hemingway 7,615]

Now both of you guys were great , BUT not as classy and as MODEST as ME !!!! Looks like us half forward flankers have show our present boys that you can kick goals from football's so called 'graveyard'.

Actually I think you were probably the best Bobby. I would be happy to see you on the flank today or tunna or barrie, but you might have to cut out the smokes, post training beers, hamburgers and do some extra laps of the oval in order to play as a defensive forward and to learn to run both ways. And you would have to learn all about structures and playing your role. And just as importantly learn the new football lingo so you can follow the coaches instructions and those team mates directing traffic. However, I reckon you would tell them all to get stuffed and just go out and carve them up in your own laconic way.

[Gator 17,301]

... Don't believe everything you hear on Fox Footy telecasts and make up your own bloody mind.

You can accept my word, or not, but the commentary had zero influence on my view of Watts in this contest. I actually had the sound down and was listening to Bartlett on the radio. As soon as I saw it I knew straight away he didn't like exposing his ribcage in the contest; after-all, I've had years watching him go up one handed with his eyes closed just praying he doesn't get hurt.

Nothing in our game takes more courage than flying for high marks against opposition who want to make you earn it. Watts doesn't have the bottle for it. Never has.

Now, if you and others see it differently. that's great. Clearly I think you're delusional.

Edited April 22, 2015 by ProDee

[jumbo returns 6,740]

Actually I think you were probably the best Bobby. I would be happy to see you on the flank today or tunna or barrie, but you might have to cut out the smokes, post training beers, hamburgers and do some extra laps of the oval in order to play as a defensive forward and to learn to run both ways. And you would have to learn all about structures and playing your role. And just as importantly learn the new football lingo so you can follow the coaches instructions and those team mates directing traffic. However, I reckon you would tell them all to get stuffed and just go out and carve them up in your own laconic way.

I can't remember these players, but this post brought them to life.

[jumbo returns 6,740]

You can accept my word, or not, but the commentary had zero influence on my view of Watts in this contest. I actually had the sound down and was listening to Bartlett on the radio. As soon as I saw it I knew straight away he didn't like exposing his ribcage in the contest; after-all, I've had years watching him go up one handed with his eyes closed just praying he doesn't get hurt.

Nothing in our game takes more courage than flying for high marks against opposition who want to make you earn it. Watts doesn't have the bottle for it. Never has.

Now, if you and others see it differently. that's great. Clearly I think you're delusional.

You're not a fan of Watts. Okay. Thanks.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

You can accept my word, or not, but the commentary had zero influence on my view of Watts in this contest. I actually had the sound down and was listening to Bartlett on the radio. As soon as I saw it I knew straight away he didn't like exposing his ribcage in the contest; after-all, I've had years watching him go up one handed with his eyes closed just praying he doesn't get hurt.

Nothing in our game takes more courage than flying for high marks against opposition who want to make you earn it. Watts doesn't have the bottle for it. Never has.

Now, if you and others see it differently. that's great. Clearly I think you're delusional.

everything you say might be spot on but it is irrelevant as we are only discussing that one particular incident

IMO he made the correct call having had identified Hogan streaming towards him

Had he gone for the contested mark he simply would not have taken it and then not be in the correct position to gather the crumbs and dish off

[Gator 17,301]

He certainly had "Buckley's and none" in taking the mark. But I disagree that there was genius involved in the choreography. His first instinct was to protect himself. What followed was a fortuitous script.

[binman 42,690]

I retract the word hyperbole your honour mr justice binman.

Retraction accepted. But in future it is your honor. Never mr

[jules7 787]

ProDee is totally correct, it was straight in front of us, he deliberately avoided the contest, and was incredibly lucky the ball ended up near him. My husband who played football, and doesn't attend many AFL games was totally flabbergasted and his immediate reaction was get him off, even though he had a goal assist. It was not genius he was protecting himself.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Gonna be wet, cold and turning very yucky weather wise. A low to the ground Michie would be my prime choice.

[rpfc 28,267]

He certainly had "Buckley's and none" in taking the mark. But I disagree that there was genius involved in the choreography. His first instinct was to protect himself. What followed was a fortuitous script.

ProDee is totally correct, it was straight in front of us, he deliberately avoided the contest, and was incredibly lucky the ball ended up near him. My husband who played football, and doesn't attend many AFL games was totally flabbergasted and his immediate reaction was get him off, even though he had a goal assist. It was not genius he was protecting himself.

Again, of course it was soft - but what followed was nothing short of great footy.

You can disagree if you like but your judgement of what followed that non-marking attempt is coloured by that non-marking attempt.

Happy to agree to disagree as always.

[chook fowler 19,446]

Retraction accepted. But in future it is your honor. Never mr

And I so advise

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,363]

Why does everyone want Pedersen? Give me Gawn! Younger, faster, taller, actually a decent ruck. He brings energy and enthusiasm to the team. Yeah his kicking can be bad and he can really struggle forward in a lot of games but we have to keep giving him chances surely. He'll free up Jamar to play forward more and Jamar is more likely to take a grab than Pedersen as well.

On the weekend at Casey he scored 2.2 , 15 touches, 9 marks and 4 hit outs. He cant be any worse than Dawes at the moment. If Dawes fails to impress this Friday he needs to be dropped or what's the point.... Edited April 22, 2015 by Al's Demons

[Bobby McKenzie 2,383]

Actually I think you were probably the best Bobby. I would be happy to see you on the flank today or tunna or barrie, but you might have to cut out the smokes, post training beers, hamburgers and do some extra laps of the oval in order to play as a defensive forward and to learn to run both ways. And you would have to learn all about structures and playing your role. And just as importantly learn the new football lingo so you can follow the coaches instructions and those team mates directing traffic. However, I reckon you would tell them all to get stuffed and just go out and carve them up in your own laconic way.

You date yourself hemingway if you can remember my laconic approach to footy. Not many remember me on this forum. Maybe Old Dee could be a chance here.

[xarronn 380]

Agreed. Far too often you read comments on here that have obviously been influenced by the commentary of the game. It is not uncommon to read verbatim quotes being passed off as one's original thoughts. I felt exactly the same as you, he knew there was no chance he was going to be able to get into a position to grab the mark against two opponents who had front position, so he used his best asset, which is his brain, and made the decision to do what he did.. and it worked. 90% of the ppl bashing him would never even noticed had anti-MFC biased blockhead idiot Ricuitto not made a snide, inaccurate comment afterwards. He did the same thing when Watts dropped that mark, yes it cost as a goal, but MR then when on to directly blame Watts for the goal that came after that, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with him. That was obviously absorbed by demonland's finest too. I can't believe Watts was named in the AFL team of the week round 1, he was genuinely 2nd BOG after TMac, yet it apparently earned him precisely zero credits on this board. Most unfairly bashed player in the comp IMO

Fantastic post. Strongly agree with these comments. I very much accept what Watts brings to the team. He isn't scared, I think he just sees the game in a different way.

I have come to the point where I feel really sympathetic to him, he must have a tremendously resilient personality to keep his head up and keep going in the face of all the garbage.

[What 18,810]

Well based on the weather forecast

In - Michie

Out - Frost (inj)

Dawes can back up ruck, he doesn't call the shots on where he plays.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Watts is a very important player for us.

Many here would probably prefer Simon Godfrey - but I want the class, vision, speed and skills that Jack possesses.

That said, I don't want 22 Jack Watts' in the line up each week - although I think it's good to have one. He'd be in virtually every other club's best 22.

The two drop marks weren't as a result of softness - intensity perhaps - but I just think he lost concentration about marking the ball as he was already thinking what next to do with it.

And he is loyal to the MFC - I respect that.

[Grapeviney 9,712]

I very much accept what Watts brings to the team. He isn't scared, I think he just sees the game in a different way.

It's hard to see anything when you turn your back on the contest.

[Earl Hood 6,082]

He certainly had "Buckley's and none" in taking the mark. But I disagree that there was genius involved in the choreography. His first instinct was to protect himself. What followed was a fortuitous script.

In that specific contest what did he have to protect. My memory of it was that he had the drop on two defenders in front of him with the ball coming in high. I would have jumped in knees first hoping for a mark but only likely to spill the ball, no threat to my health. Watts has done something different and stayed upright at the back for the handball to the running player going passed. Maybe I need to review the tape again.

[DubDee 25,675]

Watts is soft. Can't believe some are arguing otherwise.

The fact that he is skilful and created goals is a seperate issue.

I wouldn't drop him as he is a quality outside player that we can't afford to drop.

[boydie 655]

Now that you mention it, when was the last time you saw it spelt with an 'o' in it?

Where was this when [Maloney] was still on the list?

[Henrietta Lumbago 331]

In that specific contest what did he have to protect. My memory of it was that he had the drop on two defenders in front of him with the ball coming in high. I would have jumped in knees first hoping for a mark but only likely to spill the ball, no threat to my health. Watts has done something different and stayed upright at the back for the handball to the running player going passed. Maybe I need to review the tape again.

The positive from that contest was that he keep his feet and the Adelaide defenders fell to the ground.

Mitch Clark does it exceptionally well, contests for the ball and always keeps his feet and a lot of the time crumbs his own marking contest.

[WhyAlwaysMe 237]

Watts is soft. Can't believe some are arguing otherwise.

The fact that he is skilful and created goals is a seperate issue.

I wouldn't drop him as he is a quality outside player that we can't afford to drop.

is it possible to be a good tall slow soft outside AFL footballer on a regular basis, fringe player in bottom 4 side, fact nothing to argue there, doesn't rate amongst opposition supporters in my circle, i do find it difficult to defend him, are there any players who play a similar role in a top 4 side

[Damo 3,344]

Gawn protects his ribs by not stretching out too.

Im going to be bitterly disappointed if Watts isnt withdrawn from the final team.

[old dee 23,782]

You date yourself hemingway if you can remember my laconic approach to footy. Not many remember me on this forum. Maybe Old Dee could be a chance here.

I was going to say sadly I do but the only sad thing is it now so bloody long ago.