The Pick 23 trade - TICK!

[Tyson4Brownlow 154]

Keen to get my fellow DL members thoughts on what I believe was a wonderful result with Pick 23 in the latest trade / draft period.

Trading it to GWS for Frost, Pick 40 and 53 allowed us to get three young talents from a 2nd round pick which was a master stroke. To then get ANB at 40 and Oscar at 53, both of whom were predicted 2nd round talents themselves, I don't think we could have asked for anymore from the List Mgt team.

Frost, ANB and Oscar is a great package for 23 as it includes two young KPP, when Saints get only one in Goddard for 21.

Paying under the odds for Stretch at 42 and having Petracca slide to us only adds to a fantastic draft, giving Roos and Goodwin plenty to work with over the next 5 years.

Who else agrees??

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

Keen to get my fellow DL members thoughts on what I believe was a wonderful result with Pick 23 in the latest trade / draft period.

Trading it to GWS for Frost, Pick 40 and 53 allowed us to get three young talents from a 2nd round pick which was a master stroke. To then get ANB at 40 and Oscar at 53, both of whom were predicted 2nd round talents themselves, I don't think we could have asked for anymore from the List Mgt team.

Frost, ANB and Oscar is a great package for 23 as it includes two young KPP, when Saints get only one in Goddard for 21.

Paying under the odds for Stretch at 42 and having Petracca slide to us only adds to a fantastic draft, giving Roos and Goodwin plenty to work with over the next 5 years.

Who else agrees??

[CBDees 3,167]

All in all a very astute draft. Plus the trade period picking up HL, Garlett,and Newton (on top of Frost) wasn't too shabby also [especially when nobody thought we still retained Clark to trade]!

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

and while you're thinkin about that, think about this: the talk at the time very strongly indicated that we were looking to nab a big name (Dangerfield/J.Kennedy) by throwing that pick 23 along with pick 3 AND the pick received by trading Trengove (12?).. so it's quite possible by JT failing that medical, we missed a big name but ended up with Brayshaw, Trengove, Frost, ANB and O-Mac ALL instead of that one marquee player. Could be a huge blessing in disguise.

[rpfc 28,779]

We will know in about 4-5 years how good or bad the trade was...

It is funny to think of the hand-wringing on here right after that trade - now some look at it like a master-stroke.

Who will be right?

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

We will know in about 4-5 years how good or bad the trade was...

It is funny to think of the hand-wringing on here right after that trade - now some look at it like a master-stroke.

Who will be right?

we'll never know though, because we can't be certain who that marquee player actually was, much less how they would have performed at the Dees. Tell you what, I'd still be tempted to trade all five to have Dangerfield in the middle round 1!

[Fat Tony 5,262]

The trade looked a bad deal before Barry retired and Evans was delisted. But it ended up to be fantastic.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

Way too early to call, which is bleedingly obvious. Appears good on paper.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,246]

we'll never know though, because we can't be certain who that marquee player actually was, much less how they would have performed at the Dees. Tell you what, I'd still be tempted to trade all five to have Dangerfield in the middle round 1!

Much and all as I repect Danger, I think Miss Hoog has gone to your ..... err head Curry!

[Whispering_Jack 30,664]

On the face of it, this appears to be a good trade and it looks all the more so when you consider that we might have been forced to use the pick to secure Billy Stretch as a father son selection. There were a few experts around who were surprised that one or two clubs didn't bid in the high teens/low twenties for him given his performances in the under 18 championships (All Australian) and in the senior team at Glenelg later in the season.

[Demon 16 214]

When you consider that we were able to draft 2 'sliders' with 40 and 53, yes it appears a good decision at this point.

[Macca 17,033]

We might be talking about this trade in the years to come ...

It's already looking long odds that the trade is a loss with break even being worse case scenario. Of course, we won't know who we might have picked if we'd kept pick 23 but the likelihood that whoever we might have picked ending up a star is remote. The chances of ever unearthing a star with a pick in the low 20's isn't great.

I'm happy to call it a win already ... hoping to be able to call it a huge win in the future ... all 3 of Frost, O-Mc & ANB could end up being reasonable players for us - at a minimum.

[DeeSpencer 26,081]

I would've liked pick 23 because we badly need top end talent. Can't leave it all to Dom Tyson and Hogan. Pick 23 would've been another shot at what I would consider getting a top end talent who slid down the order in addition to picks 2 and 3.

But the 3 for 1 trade was very useful in filling the depth of our list. Frost, Oscar and ANB all for 1 pick sounds pretty good to me. Instead of speculative later picks we get 3 guys who look like they'll eventually push for spots, train hard and be good for the culture.

If we kept pick 23 I would've been keen on Maynard, Viojo-Rainbow, Lamb or Toby McLean.

[Little Goffy 14,639]

With my position being that our club needs to assemble a full 'best 22' of genuine AFL-capable players, before we worry about having any stars, I'm very, very pleased with how this worked out.

Frost seems more than likely, ANB is a hardworking midfield trooper at worst, and Oscar McDonald is a credible prospect as well.

In all the times I fiddled with the 2014 phantom drafts and tried to pick out players I liked, generally I felt like anything into the mid-late first round would get us someone very suitable. Laverde and Goddard slipped as far as 20 and 21, but by 23 the the options were getting very thin for players who looked like they would be a dramatic step up from later round selections.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

We get 3 bites at the cherry. Either Frost, ANB or Oscar Mc turn out to be a player, we've nailed it.

If 2 of those 3 turn out to be players, we've hit the jackpot. If all 3 turn out to be players, we can kiss the curse goodbye.

[Jarka 767]

I thought the trade was a good one as soon as it was done, I think Frost alone will make it a great trade for us, getting ANB & McDonald just makes it ridiculously in our favour

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Seems to have been a great trade period for us.

That said, we lost Clark and Frawley, both of whom were really important players for the club.

I reckon Clark will dominate at the Cats. I'm really disappointed he left us.

[rjay 25,088]

Seems to have been a great trade period for us.

That said, we lost Clark and Frawley, both of whom were really important players for the club.

I reckon Clark will dominate at the Cats. I'm really disappointed he left us.

Injury would be the only concern 'Ron' but I agree. If he gets a clear run at it then he is a real bonus for them, they have taken a punt though.

[daisycutter 29,738]

i'm still shaking my head about how well (at least potentially) it turned out - a good triple header by the look of it

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Seems to have been a great trade period for us.

That said, we lost Clark and Frawley, both of whom were really important players for the club.

I reckon Clark will dominate at the Cats. I'm really disappointed he left us.

Clark wasn't even playing and Frawley was mediocre at best all year

We did get Lumumba and Brayshaw out of it you know

[ILLDieADemon 804]

It's the mini rebuild we needed to take over from the dead wood on the list.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,839]

Way too early to call, which is bleedingly obvious. Appears good on paper.

You're not wrong, but if we had kept pick 23, there's some chance we would have taken ANB there anyway. If not, then at the very least he definitely would have been in the mix with a few others you'd think. So in that sense, the trade is already looking smart without a game being played.

But you're right in that time will tell how good these kids become. If they all end up delisted in 2 years then we won't be gloating too much. I don't expect that to be the case and think Frost will play lots of games this year.

[McQueen 17,867]

We get 3 bites at the cherry. Either Frost, ANB or Oscar Mc turn out to be a player, we've nailed it.

If 2 of those 3 turn out to be players, we've hit the jackpot. If all 3 turn out to be players, we can kiss the curse goodbye.

I'm confident Oscar Mc will be a player. I'm assuming his attitude to the work ethic and preparation will be equal of Tom's and based on his highlights and training reports, he looks to have a better set of skills (and is taller) than his older brother.

Let's all remember that lack of development has been at the crux of many of our failed draft picks. It's been addressed in a pretty spectacular fashion and should pay dividends.

Edited January 4, 2015 by McQueen

[Deemotivated 550]

I would've liked pick 23 because we badly need top end talent. Can't leave it all to Dom Tyson and Hogan. Pick 23 would've been another shot at what I would consider getting a top end talent who slid down the order in addition to picks 2 and 3.

But the 3 for 1 trade was very useful in filling the depth of our list. Frost, Oscar and ANB all for 1 pick sounds pretty good to me. Instead of speculative later picks we get 3 guys who look like they'll eventually push for spots, train hard and be good for the culture.

If we kept pick 23 I would've been keen on Maynard, Viojo-Rainbow, Lamb or Toby McLean.

ANB was a genuine slider who was ranked in many phantom drafts in the 20s... Maybe we would have picked him up anyway.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,909]

Keen to get my fellow DL members thoughts on what I believe was a wonderful result with Pick 23 in the latest trade / draft period.

Trading it to GWS for Frost, Pick 40 and 53 allowed us to get three young talents from a 2nd round pick which was a master stroke. To then get ANB at 40 and Oscar at 53, both of whom were predicted 2nd round talents themselves, I don't think we could have asked for anymore from the List Mgt team.

Frost, ANB and Oscar is a great package for 23 as it includes two young KPP, when Saints get only one in Goddard for 21.

Paying under the odds for Stretch at 42 and having Petracca slide to us only adds to a fantastic draft, giving Roos and Goodwin plenty to work with over the next 5 years.

Who else agrees??

I don't disagree with the point of the opening post, but St Kilda ended up with two potential KPPs with McCartin and Goddard.