St Kilda

[Moonshadow 17,677]

actually three GFs

One would still leave a smile on my face mono, but your pedantry is noted as correct.

[TheoX 1,222]

No way in hell do they get a PP, at least for the next 7 years.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

We did not get one last year because the AFL allowed club lobbying to influence their decision making process.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

We did not get one last year because the AFL allowed club lobbying to influence their decision making process.

Nail on head, Tony.

[monoccular 17,573]

We did not get one last year because the AFL allowed club lobbying to influence their decision making process.

How unusual :-)

[manny100 1,595]

After seeing the Saints in action they are absolutely deplorable - and some of their better players are heading towards the end. We were just as bad last year and did not get a PP - and one of our best players Clark retired this season. If the Saints get a PP there is no justice in the system. But for the good of the game they probably need one but I think the AFL will want to wait and see how they pan out next year before considering a PP.

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

What was the Saints attitude to us getting one last year? Does anyone know?

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

The saints are in for a lot of short term pain

I have it on good authority Jack Steven will be head hunted by the hawks as a free agent next year to sure up their midfield

[angrydee 842]

Any decision re a PP has to be approved by one E.McGuire first.

As does anything else.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

They put themselves in this position by getting rid of all their senior players and starting a rebuild. You can't then turn around and ask for priority picks.

If anything they should go to the bottom 4 or 5 teams who are all struggling with their lists due to how devastating the expansion clubs have been for the overall competition. GCS got literally every star player for 4 years running, including the best player in the league. It's pathetic.

Actually they are in this mess because they didn't get rid of their senior players earlier.

I think it was just terrible list management.

St Kilda cashed up on early draft picks in the last 90's - early 2000's.

Their list underachieved, this was until they made consecutive grand finals in 2009-2010.

In 2010, they were lucky to get there, IMO their list was playing above themselves.

Granted they nearly won and decided to top up in 2011.

The problem with St Kilda is that at this time, they had no youth coming through.

So while Ross Lyon wanted a flag and to top up - he appeared to neglect blooding youth.

2011 was a failure and Lyon left at the end of it.

Now personally I didn't see them that strong in 2011, I didn't see a need to sell youth down the drain.

Ross opted to go for a flag, neglect youth, he didn't get it - so he leaves.

At the end of 2011 season, Ross leaves St Kilda with no coach and no club directions.

St Kilda should've seriously considered offloading Riewoldt to the GC for 2011.

Should've floated Montagna and Dal Santo for trade at the end of 2010 or even 2011.

Goddard should've assumed the captaincy and taken on a highly talented bunch of kids.

If St Kilda had of planned ahead, they'd now be in a great position - looking forward to a decade of challenging for finals.

Now St Kilda are struggling and they'll want a PP.

Why should the AFL reward St Kilda a PP for shocking list management?

[CBDees 3,167]

St Kilda already have 50% more wins than we had last year and we are barely 2/3 of the way through the season. If they get offered a pick we should be retrospectively be offered one before theirs, especially since one of their wins was against us, proving conclusively that we are more deserving!

Edited July 8, 2014 by CBDees

[jackaub 1,402]

Look likely not to win another game for the year. Have lost 10 in a row and 12 from 13.

10 in a row is worse the Melbourne believe it or not.

Chances are they will lose the next 7 and be 17 in a row which for a non-expansion team is rare. I think the Swans in 1993 might have lost 23 in a row.

Some are starting to suggest they deserve a PPick.

Given we did not receive one last year it has to be inconceivable they would get one. The PP has to be dead and buried surely??

I think that they a a chance against Bulldogs and Richmond

We maybe a chance v Bris and GWS They win we dont and we will finish last. Our run home is difficult

Edited July 8, 2014 by jackaub

[TheoX 1,222]

What was the Saints attitude to us getting one last year? Does anyone know?

Rhetorical question?

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

Rhetorical question?

Damn. You got me.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

Mike Nolan - Jack Steven isn't a free agent. Within bounds, he can't just up and off to Hawthorn.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

Mike Nolan - Jack Steven isn't a free agent. Within bounds, he can't just up and off to Hawthorn.

He probably should have said Stevens would be a RFA next year undeeterred

[dee-luded 2,959]

Actually they are in this mess because they didn't get rid of their senior players earlier.

I think it was just terrible list management.

St Kilda cashed up on early draft picks in the last 90's - early 2000's.

Their list underachieved, this was until they made consecutive grand finals in 2009-2010.

In 2010, they were lucky to get there, IMO their list was playing above themselves.

Granted they nearly won and decided to top up in 2011.

The problem with St Kilda is that at this time, they had no youth coming through.

So while Ross Lyon wanted a flag and to top up - he appeared to neglect blooding youth.

2011 was a failure and Lyon left at the end of it.

Now personally I didn't see them that strong in 2011, I didn't see a need to sell youth down the drain.

Ross opted to go for a flag, neglect youth, he didn't get it - so he leaves.

At the end of 2011 season, Ross leaves St Kilda with no coach and no club directions.

St Kilda should've seriously considered offloading Riewoldt to the GC for 2011.

Should've floated Montagna and Dal Santo for trade at the end of 2010 or even 2011.

Goddard should've assumed the captaincy and taken on a highly talented bunch of kids.

If St Kilda had of planned ahead, they'd now be in a great position - looking forward to a decade of challenging for finals.

Now St Kilda are struggling and they'll want a PP.

Why should the AFL reward St Kilda a PP for shocking list management?

totally agree KDA

but they did sound out a trade for Riewoldt, but the fans screamed hard, so they backed off. & then Montagna, & Delsanto, again the fans screamed, but Del was the one eventually.

I would have kept Goddard & Del, & traded Montagna.

'Riewoldt', would have been his call; perhaps Goddard getting the Captaincy would have helped Roo with a decision?

Goddard would have been a good captain with them.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Mike Nolan - Jack Steven isn't a free agent. Within bounds, he can't just up and off to Hawthorn.

Free agent next year, I reckon he will be seriously tempted