NO.

Ffs, let him develop naturally in the twos..

He dropped 10 kgs preseason and has only just got that back..

Happy for he and Hoges to knuckle down for a few months and then crack it for a chance in the last few rounds - we wont need them til next year anyway.

..looking forward to seeing Riley at some stage soon, tho.

6kg. And he put it back on start of the season.

PS- DO you feel the same about JKH, or just the high picks?

Building culture is playing those that deserve it. That may not mean this week, but rewarding his form is more important to his development than playing VFL for a year.

I think no, for this week. Give him one or two more.

JKH is being used in a very different way, by the way. Nothing to do with being precious.

I think no, for this week. Give him one or two more.

JKH is being used in a very different way, by the way. Nothing to do with being precious.

How do you know how Salem would be used? He might be sub for a few weeks, could play forward line.. He's not going to be thrown under a pack at the opening bounce.

Heard roos twice say (and fairly recently) that in fact he dropped a full 10kgs!.. 6 is probably bad enough anyway..

I see your point and personally i feel a bit the opposite.. in the sense that i feel a higher pick should be more ready / more likely to play, if anything.

Was gonna reply about JKH, but i cant 'quote / multi quote' anymore..

JKH is a bit of a freak. right from the word go roos was impressed with his afl-like standards in time trials and in pre season and flagged fairly early from memory,

that his habits and work ethic were of an afl standard.. so with JKH i think we just got lucky.

In saying that, he'll start to burn out and be due for a rest soon like a lot of 1st year players anyway, IMO..

6kg. And he put it back on start of the season.

PS- DO you feel the same about JKH, or just the high picks?

Building culture is playing those that deserve it. That may not mean this week, but rewarding his form is more important to his development than playing VFL for a year.

We'll see what Roos decides hey Stu?

Every case is different. JKH is a small forward, had a full pre-season and certainly started with a bang in the NAB challenge. He adds a dimension to our forward line that hadn't been there. Defensive pressure. He's now keeping Byrnes out of the side.

It's very different to Salem who is being moulded as another player who can run through the midfield and to be able to do that, you need a tank. He didn't complete the same amount of pre-season as JKH and we all know about his setback. He didn't feature in the NAB challenge and is now starting to perform well.

Each case is different, but we know the Roos' mantra. Take the pressure off the young kids. Salem is a different case to JKH and so it silly to compare the two.

Couple more weeks of solid form from him and I'd slot him in if it were up to me..

We'll see what Roos decides hey Stu?

Every case is different. JKH is a small forward, had a full pre-season and certainly started with a bang on the NAB challenge. He adds a dimension to our forward line that hadn't been there. Defensive pressure. He's now keeping Byrnes out of the side.

It's very different to Salem who is being moulded as another player who has the ability to run through the midfield and to be able to do that, you need a tank. He didn't complete the same amount of pre-season as JKH and we all know about his setback. He didn't feature in the NAB challenge and is now starting to perform well.

Each case is different, but we know the Roos' mantra. Take the pressure off the young kids. Salem is a different case to JKH and so it silly to compare the two.

Couple more weeks of solid form from him and I'd slot him in if it were up to me..

I actually don't mind either way. I'm not pushing for it, but I'll be happy for him if he gets a game. Reading between the lines of the article on the MFC site I don't think he'll play this week anyway.

We'll see what Roos decides hey Stu?

Every case is different. JKH is a small forward, had a full pre-season and certainly started with a bang on the NAB challenge. He adds a dimension to our forward line that hadn't been there. Defensive pressure. He's now keeping Byrnes out of the side.

It's very different to Salem who is being moulded as another player who has the ability to run through the midfield and to be able to do that, you need a tank. He didn't complete the same amount of pre-season as JKH and we all know about his setback. He didn't feature in the NAB challenge and is now starting to perform well.

Each case is different, but we know the Roos' mantra. Take the pressure off the young kids. Salem is a different case to JKH and so it silly to compare the two.

Couple more weeks of solid form from him and I'd slot him in if it were up to me..

What the hell are you doing on this board Steve. Go away! Your actually making sense and I'm scared.

As much as I'd love to see him kick out for us, I vote to leave both Salem and Toumpas in the VFL for the whole year.

I don't want to see either in the AFL this year.

Give these kids a chance to develop and gain confidence.

Give Roos a chance to play fringe players instead, it will be a decent cull come seasons end.

I do think they should spend most of the year in the twos but if they're carving it up you need to reward them for their hard work. If they've earned it, give them a taste of the seniors for two or three rounds and then drop them back for more development.

We can't be too precious. Aside from Scharenberg I'm pretty sure every kid picked before Salem has already debuted. I'd be very disappointed if I didn't get to see him unleashed at some point this season.

What the hell are you doing on this board Steve. Go away! Your actually making sense and I'm scared.

There are plenty that share that view 'Sambo06'

I want to see Salem running round in the red and blue just as much as the next.

We won every quarter but the second.

Acknowledged, but to intimate we should limit changes is foolhardy at this point, IMO. Roos has to do whatever he deems right to find the correct balance. Just as the top teams do. Bring Garland back. Bring back Jamar. If Roos thinks Salem is ready, give him a game. Sometimes players in a winning team are unlucky, let alone a losing team. We want to breed a competitive environment and we want to raise the bar. We do that by making changes if there are fringe players knocking down the doors at Casey.

My gut says that he'll play, Roos wouldn't have put his name up there if he wasn't a very strong chance. That said I wouldn't mind the idea of waiting a little longer to make sure he's earned his stripes, it's something we have failed at way to many times and I'm glad Roos isn't rushing the kids in.

Let's ease him in and let him make his debut against the Dees

Oh Crap,we are the Dees

JKH is playing because of the role he can fulfil.

If his form warrants it, of course he plays, I am all for proper development but that doesn't mean leaving in form talent at Casey because we are scared they will be whatever we are scared they will be.

Debuting both Salem and Hogan in a pre-arranged week is as stupid as it sounds. I wouldn't put it past Melbourne but surely Roos wouldn't put up his crap.

My gut says that he'll play, Roos wouldn't have put his name up there if he wasn't a very strong chance. That said I wouldn't mind the idea of waiting a little longer to make sure he's earned his stripes, it's something we have failed at way to many times and I'm glad Roos isn't rushing the kids in.

IMO, Roos raises Salem's name publicly to acknowledge the hard work he is clearly doing and to proffer the unspoken question: how much do you really want it? If you want it, back up your form again in the VFL.

I am hearing the Bulldogs game Salem and Hogan to debut same game. Just whisper.

so neither debut till 2015? At this stage Hogan isnt looking good. 4 weeks every update

Looked very promising...

Yes to Salem

Looked very promising...

Yep, he's got it.

Looks classy, and tough. If he played for GWS the media would be creaming themselves.

Great debut - lets see him play a full game next week

Very solid debut. Was not intimidated at all.

Go for it young man.

Very impressive today.

Very clean with hand and foot - actually his disposal embarrassed a lot of his team mates. I genuinely hope he gets a full game next week. He and JKH are certain starters in our best 22 now.

Looked silky smooth. A midfield consisting of Salem, Viney, Tyson, Vince, Toumpas and Jones x2 will be something to watch in a couple years.

Very clean with hand and foot - actually his disposal embarrassed a lot of his team mates. I genuinely hope he gets a full game next week. He and JKH are certain starters in our best 22 now.

I agree about JKH and Salem being in our top 22. I know Roos wanted to nurse them into league footy but the fact is that these guys are better choices than most other players in our team.