Jesse Hogan - back injury

[Its Time for Another 4,058]

wtf is a stress reaction?

i know what a stress fracture is but what is a stress reaction?

I'm guessing it is a stress fracture without using the term stress fracture which would create a much greater stress reaction than using the term stress reaction.

[beelzebub 22,762]

DC , if i had to form any position on this , and its rather difficult in the face of no real hard info them I would think the club doesnt at this juncture know how good or bad it is. That might indeed be the only real truth in all of this. But, as the 'world' awaits some news the club essentially issues a non committal piece of nothing.

[nutbean 8,837]

Stress fractures are the great unknown. He may have to shorten his run and learn how to swing a ball not be a tear away quick. Oh sorry. that was Dennis Lillee

[Webber 10,181]

A stress reaction is effectively a 'pre-fracture' for want of a better description. If it is post-traumatic, as from a knee in the back, then it is a 'bruising' to the bone. If it is from repetitive action, such as forces related to running, then it indicates a focus of increased and adverse load in a part of the bone. I'm assuming that the reports of him suffering it in last week's game are true, so therefore bruising. That should mean he comes good sooner rather than later. 2 to 3 weeks is entirely possible, and likely.

[DeeSpencer 23,689]

i'm wondering if it was a typo and they really meant stress fracture

if so then i can get even more maudlin

The bones themselves on MRI can show signs of stress without a fracture. In a sense we could've got in early. A stress fracture would require a longer period of rehab. Just a stress reaction may mean as soon as the pain is gone things are much better and then it's a matter of how quickly they get him back to fitness and how much core strengthening they want to do. From my limited knowledge I don't expect him to be doing much training for at least 3 weeks and from there I think he'd need close to 3 more until he can play.

[Webber 10,181]

A stress 'fracture' is just that, a diagnosable break in the bone, and is much longer term. I should have said above that the concern and caution will relate to how close the 'reaction' is to a fracture. That is unknowable.

[Pipefitter 2,090]

Its not such a big thing that Jesse Hogan will be eased in as 19 year old. It just makes the complete inability of Clark and Dawes to hit the park even more frustrating.

[DeeSpencer 23,689]

A stress reaction is effectively a 'pre-fracture' for want of a better description. If it is post-traumatic, as from a knee in the back, then it is a 'bruising' to the bone. If it is from repetitive action, such as forces related to running, then it indicates a focus of increased and adverse load in a part of the bone. I'm assuming that the reports of him suffering it in last week's game are true, so therefore bruising. That should mean he comes good sooner rather than later. 2 to 3 weeks is entirely possible, and likely.

So it can be traumatic not overuse? That would certainly be a good sign. Correct me if I'm wrong but if it's traumatic as soon as he's settled they can probably get him back to heavier training compared to be more cautious. Still think 3 weeks is very unlikely but within a month would be great.

[daisycutter 28,728]

A stress reaction is effectively a 'pre-fracture' for want of a better description. If it is post-traumatic, as from a knee in the back, then it is a 'bruising' to the bone. If it is from repetitive action, such as forces related to running, then it indicates a focus of increased and adverse load in a part of the bone. I'm assuming that the reports of him suffering it in last week's game are true, so therefore bruising. That should mean he comes good sooner rather than later. 2 to 3 weeks is entirely possible, and likely.

thanks webber, even i can understand that now

[Ted Lasso 17,318]

A stress reaction is effectively a 'pre-fracture' for want of a better description. If it is post-traumatic, as from a knee in the back, then it is a 'bruising' to the bone. If it is from repetitive action, such as forces related to running, then it indicates a focus of increased and adverse load in a part of the bone. I'm assuming that the reports of him suffering it in last week's game are true, so therefore bruising. That should mean he comes good sooner rather than later. 2 to 3 weeks is entirely possible, and likely.

So maybe 4 weeks just to be safe, round 3 against GWS would be a realistic target game?

[Webber 10,181]

So it can be traumatic not overuse? That would certainly be a good sign. Correct me if I'm wrong but if it's traumatic as soon as he's settled they can probably get him back to heavier training compared to be more cautious. Still think 3 weeks is very unlikely but within a month would be great.

Yes, if symptoms settle and repeat scan shows all clear, he's good to go.

[Deeoldfart 7,864]

Disappointing, but sh-t happens at all footy clubs. However, the really good teams make the most of adversity, and if we aspire to be one of the best, this setback won't come near spelling the end of our re-birth as a competitive team in 2014 (which is all that most of us hope for). I have enough faith in Roosy and his game plan to get us through the early rounds in reasonable shape, and have us really firing when we get a few key forwards back on the park.

[Webber 10,181]

Disappointing, but sh-t happens at all footy clubs. However, the really good teams make the most of adversity, and if we aspire to be one of the best, this setback won't come near spelling the end of our re-birth as a competitive team in 2014 (which is all that most of us hope for). I have enough faith in Roosy and his game plan to get us through the early rounds in reasonable shape, and have us really firing when we get a few key forwards back on the park.

Agree. I think the team based possession game Roos is fashioning plays into the idea of versatility, multiple goalkickers, and smaller forwards being legitimate options. Plus, I'm looking forward to seeing what Fitz can do in the role of main man up front!

[hardtack 10,187]

might...( guessing ) be a sort of spasming ? tightening ..

enlightenment anyone

I did a bit of googling and apparently it's teh precursor to a stress fracture... so, if he rests now it will settle and all will be good... if he keeps pushing it, a stress fracture will occur and he would be in for an extended layoff.

Edit: that will teach me not to refresh before I post... I see Webber answered the question a while ago.

Edited March 7, 2014 by hardtack

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Lucky Stephen Dank is nowhere near our club or he would be smothered in AOD9064 cream by now.

[DeeSpencer 23,689]

Agree. I think the team based possession game Roos is fashioning plays into the idea of versatility, multiple goalkickers, and smaller forwards being legitimate options. Plus, I'm looking forward to seeing what Fitz can do in the role of main man up front!

He leads well in space but I don't like him as a contested mark. Plus at the moment he's looking at being the second ruck as well. Howe should play deep and be the main inside 50 target, just hope he's improved his body work. Fitzy a nice decoy. Pedersen has to be the one to take some marks leading up the ground as a target from half back. Hope his own hammy issues are resolved.

[beelzebub 22,762]

I did a bit of googling and apparently it's teh precursor to a stress fracture... so, if he rests now it will settle and all will be good... if he keeps pushing it, a stress fracture will occur and he would be in for an extended layoff.

Edit: that will teach me not to refresh before I post... I see Webber answered the question a while ago.

dont you hate that

[beelzebub 22,762]

4-6 ....

rings a bell for some reason

[mjt 640]

Sounds like an indefinite beside his name to me Mahoney the master of spin ask Jurrah , Clark and Dawes, anyway it gives someone else a chance to impress but it's dissapointing .

Edited March 7, 2014 by mjt

[All the Jacks 99]

Sorry to highjack the thread but does anyone know when Dawes is due back? Round 7ish?

Mahoney says 2 or 3 weeks

[Forest Demon 4,681]

As much as it sucks, we shouldn't be expecting too much from a kid in his first real year anyway. The lack of fitness for Clark and Dawes hurts more, but at least our midfield brigade is at full strength. That is the most influential area of the ground.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,492]

Very disappointing to have the three big fella's out with no definite return dates it appears on any of them however..

We basically played all year last year with none of the three. Our conversion once inside 50 was good we just couldn't get it in there.

We now appear to be well coached and must improved with a bunch of new midfielders who appear to know how to get the ball and likely get it in there alot more.

We have a very good early 5 games that we should be able to put up strong efforts and convert minimum 2 -3 into wins regardless of having them.

We then should target to get the three big fellas back when they are completely fit with least likely risk to re-injury and with the strongest chance to play consecutive games for the remainder of the year. Particularly when we need them most in the harder patch of the year.

[Pates 9,562]

Well the truth was somewhere in the middle of our optimistically and Barrett. I would see the GWS game as his target, but no pushing to get him out there.

Take it easy Jesse, don't Hulk up too much!

[rpfc 27,693]

He just didn't look right to me during Training 26th Feb

"Pedo did his left hamstring (grade 1) and shouldn't play Friday. Hogan right low-back-buttock soreness, but continued on modified."

The fact that he then played a fair-dinkum game, and all of the sudden he has a back injury that might keep him out for a while.

Some think injuries are just bad luck.

pTGR

I hope he got a knee in the intra club and this isn't a non-impact stress injury...

[CHAMP 347]

Lucky Stephen Dank is nowhere near our club or he would be smothered in AOD9064 cream by now.

Reckon Thymomodulin (nudge, nudge) might be more efficacious.