Stone motherless and (almost) last

[Alcho Dee 269]

Because for the last six years they have been spot on!

take your word for it. 5-0 that's scary.

[KingDingAling 3,656]

We'll be 3-2 or 4-1.

If Roos can get the best out of our list, then we'll have a decent year.

It's possible that we can knock up some early wins over St Kilda, GWS, GC and WC (at the G)

[Nasher 33,187]

But how can anyone predict change before we see some on field improvement

Is that a serious question? We've gone from a coach who will go down as one of the worst of all time, to a proven coach renowned for getting through to players. It's not much of a stretch to expect and predict change.

[Alcho Dee 269]

Is that a serious question? We've gone from a coach who will go down as one of the worst of all time, to a proven coach renowned for getting through to players. It's not much of a stretch to expect and predict change.

I am sure it was a serious question, because he was probably sucked in by Neeld's bs and expected change and now takes a point of view that anything is possible and will wait until round 1 because then we will all know if these blokes are serious or not.

[Demon trucker 1,788]

If we don't pull off any wins in the 5 rounds then it Will be a 1 win year, the club Will have less members , then last year.

[Courtney_Fish 183]

PREDICTED LADDER AFTER ROUND 5

5-0 Hawthorn

5-0 Sydney

4-1 West Coast

4-1 North Melbourne

4-1 Richmond

4-1 Geelong

3-2 Fremantle

3-2 Carlton

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2-3 Adelaide

2-3 Essendon

2-3 Port Adelaide

2-3 Gold Coast

2-3 St Kilda

1-4 Collingwood

1-4 W Bulldogs

1-4 GWS

0-5 Melbourne

0-5 Brisbane Lions

That's incredible because I've got Melbourne on top at the end of round 5 - ahead of Hawthorn by percentage.

[jazza 1,323]

That's incredible because I've got Melbourne on top at the end of round 5 - ahead of Hawthorn by percentage.

absolute rubbish

2nd with less percentage

[Bitter but optimistic 21,560]

Don't want to get ahead of myself, but I honestly believe we could win 3 of those if we are not ravaged by injuries.

Could not have put it better. Three is realistic (well maybe a touch of optimism)

[CBDees 3,162]

Could not have put it better. Three is realistic (well maybe a touch of optimism)

Three isn't optimistic > four is optimistic!

[Bitter but optimistic 21,560]

Three isn't optimistic > four is optimistic!

Our form at Darklands and our first round history give me cause for concern.

[DeeSpencer 23,547]

Is that a serious question? We've gone from a coach who will go down as one of the worst of all time, to a proven coach renowned for getting through to players. It's not much of a stretch to expect and predict change.

Its a serious question. What's our combined record in the first five games since 2007? Probably about 5 wins 30 losses?

Or our first round record since then? 1 draw?

Our new additions are still mainly kids (Hogan, Tyson, Michie, Salem). Our ready to go additions are Cross (hardly a game winner) and the decent but hardly remarkable Vince.

Not to mention no matter how good a coach Roos is we were 2-20 last year with a percentage of 54. I don't think Roos himself expects big changes right away regarding wins. In that means he'll focus on performance, getting that percentage above 80 and then worry about away wins and wins at Etihad.

I expect an improvement and a percentage of 75 if not 85 but I can't predict when that will translate to wins. Not to mention that the expansion teams, Carlton and West Coast are 4 of the more unpredictable teams in the comp.

[Sir Why You Little 35,138]

Its a serious question. What's our combined record in the first five games since 2007? Probably about 5 wins 30 losses?

Or our first round record since then? 1 draw?

Our new additions are still mainly kids (Hogan, Tyson, Michie, Salem). Our ready to go additions are Cross (hardly a game winner) and the decent but hardly remarkable Vince.

Not to mention no matter how good a coach Roos is we were 2-20 last year with a percentage of 54. I don't think Roos himself expects big changes right away regarding wins. In that means he'll focus on performance, getting that percentage above 80 and then worry about away wins and wins at Etihad.

I expect an improvement and a percentage of 75 if not 85 but I can't predict when that will translate to wins. Not to mention that the expansion teams, Carlton and West Coast are 4 of the more unpredictable teams in the comp.

Fair arguements there Master....i think some people are forgetting (and i completely understand why) how absolutely putrid and uncompetitive we have been in the last 7 years...(2010 had its moments...but even that had shocking moments)

That said i have total confidence Roos can turn this side around & quickly, if the players switch on & realize it is them who make the change.

[jumbo returns 6,593]

I love how, all of a sudden, we'll be 4-1

Seriously?

Terrible in 2012 and 2013, recruits that can't get on the park and a new coach will not translate to a 3-2 or 4-1 or 5-0.....more like 0-5.

Oh....and those who think that beating West Coast is doable, rethink your narrative.

WYL, I haven't forgotten...

[rjay 24,099]

I love how, all of a sudden, we'll be 4-1

Seriously?

Terrible in 2012 and 2013, recruits that can't get on the park and a new coach will not translate to a 3-2 or 4-1 or 5-0.....more like 0-5.

Oh....and those who think that beating West Coast is doable, rethink your narrative.

WYL, I haven't forgotten...

West Coast had a bad year last year, will they jump back up or is it a sign of things to come. Cox & Glass getting towards the end no Kerr (and he is a big loss). Maybe Daniher had taken his mojo to WC, one good year, one bad. If so they are due a good year although he is not there this year, what happened when he left us? one terrible year.

[Lordweaver 235]

less than a month to the nab cup, dawes, clark, Hogan, viney under injury clouds, have I left anyone out? Recent record appalling, expect to see improvement but not a lot.

[Lordweaver 235]

On second thoughts we are all guessing at this stage, who's to say where we finish, Now hope that is seen is not hope. Who hopes for what he sees. Romans 8

[Biffen 12,441]

less than a month to the nab cup, dawes, clark, Hogan, viney under injury clouds, have I left anyone out? Recent record appalling, expect to see improvement but not a lot.

Faith,Lordweaver.

As the apostles once said

Screw the NAB cup.

[Bitter but optimistic 21,560]

On second thoughts we are all guessing at this stage, who's to say where we finish, Now hope that is seen is not hope. Who hopes for what he sees. Romans 8

Where have you been Lord? Doing one of those 40 days and 40 nights desert tours?

Anyway glad for your guidance - I'm a reformed character for it.

[Lordweaver 235]

Have the fires tormented you my son?

[Akum 2,660]

Have the fires tormented you my son?

Do you mean the fires down below??

[jumbo returns 6,593]

West Coast had a bad year last year, will they jump back up or is it a sign of things to come. Cox & Glass getting towards the end no Kerr (and he is a big loss). Maybe Daniher had taken his mojo to WC, one good year, one bad. If so they are due a good year although he is not there this year, what happened when he left us? one terrible year.

Understand where you're coming from, but they still have a more stable, dominant midfield, two power forwards and a great defence.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,049]

I read the article...and quite frankly its worthless shlt.

So much is ignored as to make the author a complete and ignorant fwit

I used to read such predictions --- now I don't bother. Most of them talk either rubbish or cliches (or both) and end up with a minor permutation of the previous year's results. Nothing to see here!

[rjay 24,099]

ame="rjay" post="872199" timestamp="1389948289"]West Coast had a bad year last year, will they jump back up or is it a sign of things to come. Cox & Glass getting towards the end no Kerr (and he is a big loss). Maybe Daniher had taken his mojo to WC, one good year, one bad. If so they are due a good year although he is not there this year, what happened when he left us? one terrible year.[/quote

Understand where you're coming from, but they still have a more stable, dominant midfield, two power forwards and a great defence.

Midfield without Kerr, and Cox on the way out, other mids a bit slow...I've seen their defence crumble under pressure a few times over the last few years, Glass in his last year? One power forward in Kennedy, who's the other? Not Darling, he's a 3rd tall and WC people I know wanted him dropped last year.

At this time of the year it's way to hard to gauge any club including ours but over the last few years we've had the surprise rise and fall of WC & Adelaide and rise and maybe fall of Port. This time last year WC were considered favourites for the flag with many so called experts, Collingwood the same a couple of years back.

All is not as it seems.

[jumbo returns 6,593]

Midfield without Kerr, and Cox on the way out, other mids a bit slow...I've seen their defence crumble under pressure a few times over the last few years, Glass in his last year? One power forward in Kennedy, who's the other? Not Darling, he's a 3rd tall and WC people I know wanted him dropped last year. At this time of the year it's way to hard to gauge any club including ours but over the last few years we've had the surprise rise and fall of WC & Adelaide and rise and maybe fall of Port. This time last year WC were considered favourites for the flag with many so called experts, Collingwood the same a couple of years back. All is not as it seems.

Darling still demands respect. Priddis, Masten, Shuey, Gaff, Wellingham and potentially Yeo and Ellis rotating through the midfield means that forwards will get a constant supply. Cox is a star and Gawn will not be able to keep up...yet.

We could and probably will be 0-5 by mid April.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,491]

Add Bernard Vince being seen in the Chris Dawes Rehab centre this week.

I don't think it's been a very good pre season in terms of numbers on modified programs.