Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Sounds like they are just arguing about what documents each side can use right now

[Sideshow Bob 2,229]

Still trying to work out why these idiots are doing this. Regardless of the result - ASADA will continue to investigate one way or another until they have the evidence and then they will reissue the show show cause letters if that's what it takes. I just don't get the point of it - other than wasting everyone's time and pissing off the people who will end up destroying the fabric of the football club (or at least what's left of it!!!). Seems to be an act of printing ones own death warrant by the idiots

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Still trying to work out why these idiots are doing this. Regardless of the result - ASADA will continue to investigate one way or another until they have the evidence and then they will reissue the show show cause letters if that's what it takes. I just don't get the point of it - other than wasting everyone's time and pissing off the people who will end up destroying the fabric of the football club (or at least what's left of it!!!). Seems to be an act of printing ones own death warrant by the idiots

I assume their strategy is that the longer they delay the actual penalty, the more players they can move on from the club (trades/delistings/retirements) and therefore lessen the eventual impact of the sanctions.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

I assume their strategy is that the longer they delay the actual penalty, the more players they can move on from the club (trades/delistings/retirements) and therefore lessen the eventual impact of the sanctions.

Unless, of course, they win the main game. And I agree with you if they lose. As lists turnover by about 20-25% per annum, another couple of years of delay will see only about 25% of their players' potentially affected...if they eventually lose.

[monoccular 17,305]

Every time I watch Essendon I think how much of this is because of juicing?

Can't help but thinking the same, cards

whatever it takes !!!

You just missed it. -"whatever I take"

I love Bomber but I don't think he wants to couch again. We need someone fully committed.

He looks as if he is actually enjoying couching

I assume their strategy is that the longer they delay the actual penalty, the more players they can move on from the club (trades/delistings/retirements) and therefore lessen the eventual impact of the sanctions.

May become irrelevancy if the club is actually suspended though.

[beelzebub 23,191]

I assume their strategy is that the longer they delay the actual penalty, the more players they can move on from the club (trades/delistings/retirements) and therefore lessen the eventual impact of the sanctions.

It certainly seems as though its a play for time. The longer it drags on the less impact for some players if banned.

[daisycutter 29,296]

why hasn't judge judy made an appearance?

[beelzebub 23,191]

why hasn't judge judy made an appearance?

probably will later to deliver the knock out "punch".... laying the Bombers out cold !

[Redleg 39,998]

I have watched the opening submissions in their entirety.

IF there was no evidence to come and it ended now, the ASADA lawyers would be preparing their costs bill to be paid by the Applicants and booking the finest restaurant in Melbourne for their celebration dinner.

Of course there is more to come.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

May become irrelevancy if the club is actually suspended though.

I thought the AFL had already sanctioned the club?

Now it's ASADA trying to sanction the individuals involved, the first step of which were the show cause notices?

I get really confused with this issue.

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Does an infraction notice means jobe will have to hand back his brownlow?

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Does an infraction notice means jobe will have to hand back his brownlow?

From my understanding, no, not the infraction notice.

I would think through if he gets put on the registrar of findings or whatever the next step is, that he would have to. Or there would at least be a public outcry for it.

[beelzebub 23,191]

I thought the AFL had already sanctioned the club?

Now it's ASADA trying to sanction the individuals involved, the first step of which were the show cause notices?

I get really confused with this issue.

ASADA can whack the club too if shown that 2 or more were naughty....

They can also penalise those 'supporting' the players in their mischief.

Wont be that hard

[Its Time for Another 4,077]

I have tried to watch this since the adjournment at 12pm but can't seem to find it anywhere. Can anyone tell me where to find it. The url in this thread doesn't work anymore.

[SaberFang 7,151]

Only the opening statements were televised I think.

[binman 41,923]

Appropriate that Neil Young is representing Essendon - after all he's seen the needle and the damage done

[Ted Lasso 18,756]

Essendons case seems to be counter productive, not trying to prove innocence, trying to stall for time and hope ASADA have slipped up

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

I did like the line about "nonsense on stilts" ...

[Its Time for Another 4,077]

I thought the AFL had already sanctioned the club?

Now it's ASADA trying to sanction the individuals involved, the first step of which were the show cause notices?

I get really confused with this issue.

Little made sure that the AFL's sanctions last year were only for bad governance (eg having no records of what the players were given) but expressly were not to do with drug cheating.

The problem is even if this case succeeds ASADA will just issue new notices with the evidence they got without the AFL. Assuming the players can't defend the notices they will be banned. If that happens the AFL is going to be forced to sanction the Club for drug cheating. If it doesnt' it will cause an international uproar and destroy the worldwide credibility of AFL as a sport. Think of what cycling has been going through trying to clean itself up with Armstrong etc and Athletics etc. So I can't see how the AFL could not give them very heavy sanctions for drug cheating.

That settlement should have been set up to say if there are any findings of drug cheating then the sanctions agreed in the settlement cover them as well as bad governance. But as it didn't IMO more sanctions will have to be imposed.

Edited August 11, 2014 by It's Time

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

Interesting.

Thanks for the clarification It's Time

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

Channel 648.

Tannas just slid here hand over james leg and whispered something in his ear.

TV lip readers cant figure out what she is saying,Then to everyones surprise they realise she is whispering in french.

Translation coming up soon=aha she whispered "its ok luv im taking noted"

Meanwhile the judge calls for Quarter time and a 10 minute break.

WOW isnt this exciting.

Probably something like "Jacques, nous sommes en merde ... Ou sont les croissants et cafe?"

[jazza 1,323]

Probably something like "Jacques, nous sommes en merde ... Ou sont les croissants et cafe?"

I love it when you write in french.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,075]

I love it when you write in french.

Try milking the cows tomorrow in French and see how far you get ...

[beelzebub 23,191]

Only the opening statements were televised I think.

yep

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

The Age is doing rolling coverage, I guess it's the next best thing to a video feed.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-federal-court-hearing-20140811-3dh9h.html

Not sure what the implications of this are:

2:40pm:

The parties are currently arguing about whether a recording should be allowed which ASADA claims is improperly obtained evidence.

2:42pm:

This "secret document" is a recording of an ASADA briefing to players last year at a time when Star said Essendon has "health and mental" fears for its players.