Bombers scandal: charged, <redacted> and <infracted>

[old dee 23,872]

How pleased do you think the freo president would be having to fly to melbourne for the day for a meeting because one of his counterparts who has had the job for 3 weeks is in denial. I think there will be a few unhappy presidents in there today

By the way if i was a supporter id be wondering why hird 2 days before a massive game against there arch rivals he is in the supreme court trying to get ad removed. His head is just all over the place.

By the way I heard that mother this morning. There is no way she was just some random who rang up. You could tell the devastation and distress in her voice. She was legit. Also before she went to air they Eddie and co knew who she was but changed her name to protect her. But Hird will probably say it was a random. But she is right. James has made it all about im and I hope he gets a copy of that call.

But you know the best thing. Venom Denham has targeted essendon to now hate. It was a classic hearing him bag hird, the president and the supporters. He is not bad to listen to when he isnt bagging your club.

Perhaps that suggests he is quite often right dees 189227.

On reflection a large part of what he was saying about the MFC turned out to be true.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Given McLachlan was front and centre of the AFL during the tanking enquiry over six months ago, I think a transition was probably in place for Vlad by year end anyway prior to this issue exploding.

Departure won't save his career if he is found to have acted in a conflicted manner, contrary to his fiduciary responsibilities.

[daisycutter 29,743]

And what are the Bombers doing RR. I can assure you, the likes of Julian Burnside QC, would not be providing legal advice to his client re Court action, if the matter had no merit.

My point about the "fight" is simply about inner belief, something we are sadly bereft of at present. I am not comparing like with like.

how can you assure me of that iva?

burnside is being paid to support a client requested strategy, he's a qc not solomon

[dees189227 12,401]

Perhaps that suggests he is quite often right dees 189227.

On reflection a large part of what he was saying about the MFC turned out to be true.

True but it did get boring when it was just the same stuff everyday that he said.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

how can you assure me of that iva?

burnside is being paid to support a client requested strategy, he's a qc not solomon

He's also a man of the utmost integrity. I am happy to say I know the man personally.

Unlike the old Lawyer joke:

Q. What's the difference between a Lawyer and a laboratory rat?

A. There are only so many things a laboratory rat will do.

JB is man of the highest principles and ethics.

[old dee 23,872]

how can you assure me of that iva?

burnside is being paid to support a client requested strategy, he's a qc not solomon

Yes dc I am confident our QC told us we had a good chance of winning the Tanking case but we choice to negotiate.

Had we gone the other way I am sure our legal team would have worked hard to win

and taken the money!

[daisycutter 29,743]

He's also a man of the utmost integrity. I am happy to say I know the man personally.

Unlike the old Lawyer joke:

Q. What's the difference between a Lawyer and a laboratory rat?

A. There are only so many things a laboratory rat will do.

JB is man of the highest principles and ethics.

i don't quite get your point iva

are you suggesting that any qc who represents a guilty client or a lost cause is unprincipled?

you can't judge the strength of hird's case based on your opinion of his qc's ethics and principles

bottom line is the fact that burnside as his qc/legal advisor is irrelevant to the merit of his case

[DemonWA 3,936]

Perhaps that suggests he is quite often right dees 189227.

On reflection a large part of what he was saying about the MFC turned out to be true.

Same with Carro. She could present her information in a more measured and unbiased way, but she's pretty much bang on the mark on these things.

She must be fed info to be so far ahead of the game on some of this stuff

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

i don't quite get your point iva

are you suggesting that any qc who represents a guilty client or a lost cause is unprincipled?

you can't judge the strength of hird's case based on your opinion of his qc's ethics and principles

bottom line is the fact that burnside as his qc/legal advisor is irrelevant to the merit of his case

My point is Burnside would not prosecute such a case if it had no merit. HIs record in the High Court is testimony to that.

[beelzebub 23,383]

I wonder if Hird is familiar with the tale of Icarus

He too had plenty of tickets on himself and failed to heed advice.

Similar results coming I think !!

[dee-luded 2,959]

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-v-afl-live-updates-20130822-2scd0.html#ixzz2cf4drmEG

A cursory check of the Essendon Senior list - there's 4 players about to turn 21 in the next 12 months.

I suspect it will be symptomatic from now on with young players & their families wanting Out.

[dee-luded 2,959]

THE MORE THEY PUSH THE AFL INTO A CORNER

THE MORE HITS COME OUT

PREZ MEETING TODAY WILL CONFIRM.ALL OVER FOR THE DONS

and who will care about supreme court after the napier street earthquake

are you suggesting fletch won't return, to add to his numbers?

[old dee 23,872]

I suspect it will be symptomatic from now on with young players & their families wanting Out.

But who will take them while the chance of suspension is still hanging over their heads?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

And what are the Bombers doing RR. I can assure you, the likes of Julian Burnside QC, would not be providing legal advice to his client re Court action, if the matter had no merit.

My point about the "fight" is simply about inner belief, something we are sadly bereft of at present. I am not comparing like with like.

Digging a bigger hole for themselves.

IMO James Hird is defending James Hird. And if Hird is going down he will take whoever with him.

Inner belief can come from more sensible means. Lets look at Geelong, Swans and Hawthorn.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

http://theconversation.com/frankenfooty-essendons-mixed-bag-of-supplements-17323

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Departure won't save his career if he is found to have acted in a conflicted manner, contrary to his fiduciary responsibilities.

I would think Vlad will be looking for lower profile roles than AFL head in the future. Hird has far more to lose in this.

[Dockett 32 1,239]

This* club is at the precipice. ( *that club- Messendon)

Cant believe how bizarrely ridiculous they are acting. Shrinks would have a ball !!

Vlad is warming up the industrial fly swatter !!

amazing..

Denial to the max.

Sad but true. Chucking "snow balls" at City Hall rarely works.

[mauriesy 7,357]

Departure won't save his career if he is found to have acted in a conflicted manner, contrary to his fiduciary responsibilities.

Where has this idea that Demetriou is 'conflicted' come from? Only Essendon, I'd guess.

Demetriou only has one responsibility, and that is to the integrity of the AFL and its 18 clubs.

If I had the sort of evidence that is contained in the charge sheet, and I had all manner of people (Hird, Watson, Little, plus a host of media commentators) running around proclaiming that Essendon had done no wrong and the AFL was 'conflicted' and out to get them, I'd release the charge sheet too just to provide the evidence that has been sorely lacking and which the public has been in the dark about.

Burnside may be moral, ethical and highly principled, but he's still a gun for hire, like every QC (including Rush). Doesn't mean he'll win.

Oh ... and the AFL Commissioners aren't dills. All are very highly qualified in business, most with directorships in large companies. One is even a retired Family Court judge who is an 'ardent' Essendon supporter.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Where has this idea that Demetriou is 'conflicted' come from? Only Essendon, I'd guess.

Demetriou only has one responsibility, and that is to the integrity of the AFL and its 18 clubs.

If I had the sort of evidence that is contained in the charge sheet, and I had all manner of people (Hird, Watson, Little, plus a host of media commentators) running around proclaiming that Essendon had done no wrong and the AFL was 'conflicted' and out to get them, I'd release the charge sheet too just to provide the evidence that has been sorely lacking and which the public has been in the dark about.

Burnside may be moral, ethical and highly principled, but he's still a gun for hire, like every QC (including Rush). Doesn't mean he'll win.

Oh ... and the AFL Commissioners aren't dills. All are very highly qualified in business, most with directorships in large companies. One is even a retired Family Court judge who is an 'ardent' Essendon supporter.

Your point/s are moot

[mauriesy 7,357]

Your point/s are moot

That all you got?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,305]

And the end result is? The writs have only just been issued.

Who do you think will be worse off after this is all done and dusted?

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

That all you got?

What do you want? Seems many on here know the legal process better than me. I guess I should get another job. I have said plenty about the legal process above. If people don't understand that we are not simply "guns for hire" then so be it.

[Young Dee 1,303]

Could someone please summarise the situation for me (in one post) - I really can't be bothered reading the 21 pages and looking for the facts. Would be greatly appreciated!

So James Hird has been rejecting the possibility that the players were ever injected and flat out rejected the claims that he every injected himself. But now he has changed his stance and decided to go with 'I am the victim here'? So basically he has been lying through his teeth, thrown the players and everyone else under the bus and yet the supporters still drop to their knees when they see him?

And the players have been reported to be using AOD and yet they are unlikely to be charged because it was supposedly not banned when the started using it? (was it banned at any time when they were using it?)

Is there any real chance that the players will be charged after the full report is released?

Thanks

YD

Edited August 22, 2013 by Young Dee

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

disagree. If Essendon didn't fight the afl would have probably found them "not guilty" as well. The point of the charge sheet was "these are all the things we have against you, plead guilty and we'll make it go away".

I don't know what our charge sheet said or what evidence there was but for us to roll over you can bet there would have been more to it that never came out.

Connolly took the fall that Hird won't, and their club will cop it as a result.

admitting guilt when you are not guilty, or "rolling over" as you say sounds weak to me. Essendon are fighting this, Dean. We didn't even attempt to fight it,Don came out saying he would but we never did. Our club is weak from the core to the outside (Jack Viney, N. Jones etc. excluded). I am confident though that with the new head honchos this will change.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Who do you think will be worse off after this is all done and dusted?

I suspect an injunction will be sought and we will not be much the wiser until the courts come back from recess is 2014.