List Management - 2013

[Ted Lasso 18,924]

Not sure how it works, but if GWS beat us next week and we finish one win above them, could we in theory get pick one? given they have had the last 4 or whatever and they really only need time, we need saving!

[Soidee 1,496]

Not sure how it works, but if GWS beat us next week and we finish one win above them, could we in theory get pick one? given they have had the last 4 or whatever and they really only need time, we need saving!

Does any of this really make a difference at this club? Once they arrive here we kill them off as potential elite players.

[rpfc 28,087]

To be Delisted

MacDonald - Hogan

Gillies - ND2

Jetta - ND21

Davis - ND41

Sellar - PSD2

Rodan - ND61

Possibles

Davey - ND82

Nicholson - Clisby

Tynan - Magner

Taggert - ND95

I think Davey is pushing his worth close to ND 82 at this stage...

What a shame.

And I would be tempted to delist Nicho to put Clisby up a year early if their form holds.

If we get a FA or two, Davey and Nicho will be gone IMO.

Edited July 29, 2013 by rpfc

[titan_uranus 24,936]

To be Delisted

MacDonald - Hogan

Gillies - ND2

Jetta - ND21

Davis - ND41

Sellar - PSD2

Rodan - ND61

Possibles

Davey - ND82

Nicholson - Clisby

Tynan - Magner

Fitzpatrick - ND95

Taggert - ND105

I think Davey is pushing his worth close to ND 82 at this stage...

What a shame.

And I would be tempted to delist Nicho to put Clisby up a year early if their form holds.

If we get a FA or two, Davey and Nicho will be gone IMO.

I'd swap Fitzpatrick and Taggert, to reflect Fitzpatrick's clear development this year vs Taggert's failure to get a game. I'd also swap Clisby and ND82. If we're prepared to go for ND82, we must surely be equally prepared to elevate the kid who's been playing the last 6 or so weeks.

On that adjusted line up, Clisby gets in over Davey, and then I'd still take 82 over Nicholson.

Edited July 29, 2013 by titan_uranus

[olisik 4,060]

Clisby is a star. I would promote him and play him and grimes as our hb flankers. Let Terlich learn to have less goals kicked on him at Casey and be the backup hb flanker and delist dunn strauss tapscott and gillies. Try to trade first but unlikely to get much for either of those 4.

[Ted Lasso 18,924]

there is something there with tapscott and strauss that makes me think one more year, the rest can be delistef

[rpfc 28,087]

I'd swap Fitzpatrick and Taggert, to reflect Fitzpatrick's clear development this year vs Taggert's failure to get a game. I'd also swap Clisby and ND82. If we're prepared to go for ND82, we must surely be equally prepared to elevate the kid who's been playing the last 6 or so weeks.

On that adjusted line up, Clisby gets in over Davey, and then I'd still take 82 over Nicholson.

Yeah, that was a case of copy-paste disaster there - Fitzpatrick is no longer a chance to be delisted.

[The Reverend 1,736]

I wonder, if there were no restrictions, how many of the current list would we keep.

Do you think the AFL would let us throw in all our players and have a fresh pick - like in scrabble where you can miss a go and get new letters? I'd be happy to forfeit a round, or even two, to do that deal.

Seriously, we will just be rearranging the deck-chairs this year. It's going to take the next couple to re-furnish the whole house. The important thing is to get rid of all the white ants and start afresh.

We will get it right at some stage. In a couple of years we will be looking a little better. I had hoped it would be sooner but later is better than never.

Don't worry Old Dee, you'll still be around to see some success.

GO DEES!

[olisik 4,060]

I wonder, if there were no restrictions, how many of the current list would we keep.

Do you think the AFL would let us throw in all our players and have a fresh pick - like in scrabble where you can miss a go and get new letters? I'd be happy to forfeit a round, or even two, to do that deal.

Seriously, we will just be rearranging the deck-chairs this year. It's going to take the next couple to re-furnish the whole house. The important thing is to get rid of all the white ants and start afresh.

We will get it right at some stage. In a couple of years we will be looking a little better. I had hoped it would be sooner but later is better than never.

Don't worry Old Dee, you'll still be around to see some success.

GO DEES!

I wonder, if there were no restrictions, how many of the current list would we keep.

Do you think the AFL would let us throw in all our players and have a fresh pick - like in scrabble where you can miss a go and get new letters? I'd be happy to forfeit a round, or even two, to do that deal.

Seriously, we will just be rearranging the deck-chairs this year. It's going to take the next couple to re-furnish the whole house. The important thing is to get rid of all the white ants and start afresh.

We will get it right at some stage. In a couple of years we will be looking a little better. I had hoped it would be sooner but later is better than never.

Don't worry Old Dee, you'll still be around to see some success.

GO DEES!

All our players go into the ND in exchange for us to get GWS list building concessions would be interesting.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Clisby is a star. I would promote him and play him and grimes as our hb flankers. Let Terlich learn to have less goals kicked on him at Casey and be the backup hb flanker and delist dunn strauss tapscott and gillies. Try to trade first but unlikely to get much for either of those 4.

jesus christ I'm over these statements.

[Melbournepotter 358]

jesus christ I'm over these statements.

Agree. He's only played a few games and Clisby is a star ? I hope he turns out to be one, but has a long way to go in my opinion. He shows potential, but whether that develops, I guess we'll see.

[Wilson7 2,620]

Clisby is yet to prove he is AFL standard.

Clisby is a star. I would promote him and play him and grimes as our hb flankers. Let Terlich learn to have less goals kicked on him at Casey and be the backup hb flanker and delist dunn strauss tapscott and gillies. Try to trade first but unlikely to get much for either of those 4.

Edited July 29, 2013 by DavidNeitz9

[olisik 4,060]

Sorry, I meant a star in contrast to the rest of our team.

to make that grade it means to get through games without too many clangers.

[rpfc 28,087]

From the perspective of possible FA additions I would think that the following players would be considered:

Dale Thomas, (26) the outside mid most teams are chasing.

Xavier Ellis, (26 at Rd 1 2014) horrible couple of years but has talent.

Matt Thomas, (27) terrifically hard player with not much else.

Dylan Addison, (26) adaptable smaller player who plays taller than his 185cm.

Daniel Cross, (31) hard nosed veteran for a short term deal.

Obviously, there is only one of those we can all agree would be a good 'get' but perhaps a couple of the others represent an improvement on what we have.

The only thing that is an impediment is that if Sylvia goes, we will not get our Pick 22 (that I think we will get) if we sign any FAs.

The Players Union is right - the compensation system is poorly structured.

But the answer is not getting rid of the compensation - the answer is getting a better compensation system.

[mjt 640]

If GWS can beat Collingwood (46-30 at half time) and then us next week, we'll be on the bottom! Pick 1 - Josh Kelly and Pick 2 (trade below) - Jack Billings. Add to this a good mature midfielder in the PSD and we are away! Definitely get rid of Sellar (Dodo), Gillies, Dunn, Jetta, Watts (trade only with possible part of trade to GWS for pick 2 with Spencer), Nicholson, Strauss, Kent.

A good start!

If Frawley holds Cameron on the Weekend the game will be very tight.

[olisik 4,060]

What would people think if afl offered tje below

picks 1 2 3,5,7,11,13 and first pick of next rounds

2 mini draft picks to trade off

pre season pick 1

rookie pick 1

first access to any delisted players.

in exchange for our whole list being culled and going to the draft

hypothetical, just thought I would ask. Good way to clean the cancer.

[rpfc 28,087]

What would people think if afl offered tje below

picks 1 2 3,5,7,11,13 and first pick of next rounds

2 mini draft picks to trade off

pre season pick 1

rookie pick 1

first access to any delisted players.

in exchange for our whole list being culled and going to the draft

hypothetical, just thought I would ask. Good way to clean the cancer.

Now THAT is a hypothetical.

[Ted Lasso 18,924]

What would people think if afl offered tje below

picks 1 2 3,5,7,11,13 and first pick of next rounds

2 mini draft picks to trade off

pre season pick 1

rookie pick 1

first access to any delisted players.

in exchange for our whole list being culled and going to the draft

hypothetical, just thought I would ask. Good way to clean the cancer.

If the AFL offer us that..

1. every other club would riot and rightly so

2. we would stuff up all of those picks

3. i would spit my drink all over the room

[spirit of norm smith 15,584]

To be Delisted (x8)

MacDonald

Bail

Spencer

Jetta

Davis … or Dunn

Sellar … or Gillies

Rodan … or Davey

Nicholson trade

Keep 1 more year (on the edge)… Byrnes, Strauss, Taggert, Tynan, Dunn, Davey, Gillies, Tapscott.

Ins (+8):

Mitch Hallahan (trade from Hawks)

4 youngsters in draft ... 2, 20, 21 (AFL priority pick), 40. All mids.

3 recycled (of…) Matt Thomas, Daniel Cross, Todd Banfield, Travis Lockyer, Jarryd Lyons, Anthony Miles.

Clisby - keep on rookie list

New Rookies - FB and Ruck backups

[Young Dee 1,303]

To be Delisted

MacDonald - Hogan

Gillies - ND2

Jetta - ND21

Davis - ND41

Sellar - PSD2

Rodan - ND61

Possibles

Davey - ND82

Nicholson - Clisby

Tynan - Magner

Taggert - ND95

I think Davey is pushing his worth close to ND 82 at this stage...

What a shame.

And I would be tempted to delist Nicho to put Clisby up a year early if their form holds.

If we get a FA or two, Davey and Nicho will be gone IMO.

I would swap Davis for Nicholson and delist Davey for clisby.

And also I would have Bail as a possibility

Defiantly keep Taggert for another year.

To be Delisted

MacDonald - Hogan

Gillies - ND2

Jetta - ND21

Nicholson - ND41

Sellar - PSD2

Rodan - ND61

Davey - Clisby

Possibles

Bail - ND 82

Edited July 29, 2013 by Young Dee

[jackaub 1,402]

today surely has confirmed a PP coming our way. 13th vs 17th shouldn't be close to 100 points

Whats the use of and extra pick if we continually use them poorly

Thats the problem

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

Glad to see the term 'moneyball' is no longer being bandied about.

Question: some posters have raised the idea of "paying out" someone's contract (usually in discussions about Pedersen). Is that even possible under the Collective Bargaining Agreement (apart from players who fail on behaviour grounds)? If not, we should stop discussing delisting Pedersen. The only options would be trade or coach him to be better.

That concept of "coaching players to be better" might come in handy.

[richyrich 44]

Long time reader, first time poster so be kind!

The Melbourne Football Club needs to address that the playing list is unsustainable and large list changes are critical to begining the new path for the club.

At this time, the MFC should be planning an approach on James McDonald, appoligising for their mishandeling of the situation while attenpting to endorse the club by working in the development of our young draftees.

So if the club is to delist and trade large amounts of its list, which in my opinion is required, maximum gain must be found. I have found what I think is a fair way for the club to extract some decent talent from this years NAB Draft and trade period.

I am assuming the club is given a priority pick, and while I dont nessercerally agree that early draft picks extract higher chances of future legends, just look at Geelong. In 17 years the highest pick for the cats was 7 - used on Joel Selwood. This is while the MFC have squanded most of its drafting for over ten years.

This, however will change the game.

National Draft Pick 2 - Best inside midfielder in TAC Cup

Priority Pick 5 - R.Slone (Adelaide)

National Draft Pick 21- Inside midfielder in TAC Cup

National Draft Pick 40 - Small Backman

National Draft Pick 63 - Forward/Back

National Draft Pick 81 - Upgrade Magner

Melbourne Trades:

J.Fitzpatrick + Pick 21 - J. Martin

Aaron Davey - Pick 60ish

Jamar - Pick 50ish

Tapscott - Pick 50ish

Delist (no value whatsoever, dead waste)

Dunn

Rodan

Gillies

Joel MacDonald

Bail

Sellar

[alias275 259]

I am actually glad PJ pointed out this clubs faults which includes continual reliance on high draft picks, who in return are wasted on poor development.

Half the posters on here are still going at it though. Kids are not going to resurrect this club. They just add to the laziness we are all beginning to call the 'cancer'.

We just need experience, leadership, matured bodies, hard ball getters and a decent coach.

Then each and every year after that, we draft the kids as we now have a club that can develop, lead and mentor.

If an article came out in tomorrows paper saying the MFC is trading all draft picks for experienced players. I would actually die of shock that we are finally turning this club around with an intelligent plan and not just placing constant pressure on 18 year old kids.

[rpfc 28,087]

I just don't think Jackson was saying that, alias.

I think he was bemoaning the reciting of numbers in the draft in the past as if their pedigree were enough to turn the club around, without putting time and effort into an environment to get the best out of them - to then turn the club around.

I could not stand hearing the names Hogan and Viney and Toumpas touted as the answer to our problems, without acknowledging that we have to be set-up to allow these boys to flourish.

We need talent as well as "experience, leadership, matured bodies, hard ball getters and a decent coach."

They don't "add to the laziness we are all beginning to call the 'cancer'" - they just shouldn't be shouldered with a burden that is beyond them.