Can't get a game at North Ballarat

[Range Rover 1,935]

And we wonder why our club's stuffed.

A decade of squandering first round draft picks. That's why.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1413660/cook-put-on-backburner-as-roosters-face-star-studded-colingwood-outfit/?cs=63

[Spirit of '87 321]

I don't think we do wonder why anymore - I think we pretty much know the reasons by now, and that's one of them.

[dazzledavey36 49,840]

haha didn't his stupid manager come out after he was cut and said he was training the house down and put on about 4 kilos and that cook will make us regret the decision LMFAO!

[Jerry Lundergard 412]

And yet David King keeps bringing up his name when talking about our mature recruiting instead of playing him.....

[Clark_Kent 315]

I think we are now past that type of recruitment crap now. If only we had had Neeld and Viney heading our recruitment at the start of our rebuild in 08 I'd imagine we would have a very different squad at the moment. You can just see by the players he has brought in Hogan, Viney, Kent, Toumpas, they are all ultra competitive and want to be the best they can be.

[Chelly 760]

And we wonder why our club's stuffed.

A decade of squandering first round draft picks. That's why.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1413660/cook-put-on-backburner-as-roosters-face-star-studded-colingwood-outfit/?cs=63

You're onto something there.

First thing I'd do is sack whoever recruited this Cook bloke with pick #12.

Next thing is I'd sack the board that appointed the recruiting bloke.

Anyone know their names?

[wisedog 332]

Our KPF recruits from 2001 to 2011:

Luke Molan - Pick 9

Aaron Rogers - Pick 26

Brad Miller - Pick 55

Nick Smith - Pick 15

Matthew Bate - Pick 14

Lynden Dunn - Pick 16

Michael Newton - Pick 43

*Ben Holland - Pick 21

Colin Garland - Pick 46

*Paul Johnson - Pick 29

Jack Watts - Pick 1

Lucas Cook - Pick 12

It seems they either became defenders or got delisted... Let's hope young Hogan can buck the trend!

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,762]

Clearly, other issues play a part. There's a certain concensus about most of these picks. It's a pretty easy game picking holes in the recruiting of a team when they aren't going well. I believe that, if another club had made the selections that MFC have made over the past decade, they'd be in a very different place.

[Sir Why You Little 35,364]

BP did such a job didn't he.l...He is one man i would love to eyeball...Just sit in the waiting room...there is a queue of you all.

[mjt 640]

Clearly, other issues play a part. There's a certain concensus about most of these picks. It's a pretty easy game picking holes in the recruiting of a team when they aren't going well. I believe that, if another club had made the selections that MFC have made over the past decade, they'd be in a very different place.

I dont.

[rjay 24,203]

Clearly, other issues play a part. There's a certain concensus about most of these picks. It's a pretty easy game picking holes in the recruiting of a team when they aren't going well. I believe that, if another club had made the selections that MFC have made over the past decade, they'd be in a very different place.

In the case of Cook I doubt it, he just didn't have a competitive bone in his body. Nice skills, good decision making when he had the ball but the mental toughness wasn't there.

[Macca 16,174]

BP did such a job didn't he.l...He is one man i would love to eyeball...Just sit in the waiting room...there is a queue of you all.

Not letting Cook or Barry Prendergast off the hook, but we develop our players poorly. We're the worst in the League at it 'Wyl' and I'm talking about the fundamentals of the game and other vital areas of a young players development.

In previous years, it didn't look like a lot of our players had set foot in the gym. And our fitness levels have been appalling. All this coupled with the fundamentals of the sport being neglected, contributes to ruining a young blokes career (and I'm not specifically referring to Cook)

[Satyriconhome 10,094]

Clearly, other issues play a part. There's a certain concensus about most of these picks. It's a pretty easy game picking holes in the recruiting of a team when they aren't going well. I believe that, if another club had made the selections that MFC have made over the past decade, they'd be in a very different place.

You are wasting your time with that post, has too much logic, WYL would have nothing to say if we adopted that concept, and anyway give it a couple more posts and it will be Cam Schwab's fault, thought the Club had delisted Cook so shouldn't be any interest in what he is doing now it's history ,just another topic for Rangey to keep repeating his mantra for the odd 13 pages

Edited April 6, 2013 by Satyriconhome

[Sir Why You Little 35,364]

Not letting Cook or Barry Prendergast off the hook, but we develop our players poorly. We're the worst in the League at it 'Wyl' and I'm talking about the fundamentals of the game and other vital areas of a young players development.

In previous years, it didn't look like a lot of our players had set foot in the gym. And our fitness levels have been appalling. All this coupled with the fundamentals of the sport being neglected, contributes to ruining a young blokes career (and I'm not specifically referring to Cook)

Stop excusing their shabby work Macca...You are better than that....PICK 12

The 12th best kid on offer in Australia.....who now cannot get a game in the VFL.....AAAARRRGGHH

[McQueen 17,864]

WGAF.

[Macca 16,174]

Stop excusing their shabby work Macca...You are better than that....PICK 12

The 12th best kid on offer in Australia.....who now cannot get a game in the VFL.....AAAARRRGGHH

I specifically said in the opening sentence that I'm not letting Cook or Prendergast off the hook. Refer to post #12.

I'm not letting the club off the hook in any way. I pointed out that there were more mistakes and obvious errors made than just the pick in the draft. Bigger picture stuff - and Bailey and now Neeld are all part of it.

Here's a list of the basic fundamentals not being adhered to. It's up to a coach to instil them. What chance does an 18 year old have at our club?

Our current crop of players can't think for themselves.

The team has no confidence.

Has no dash and daring.

Has very little teamwork.

We don't run to position.

We don't kick to position

We don't shepherd.

We don't back each other up.

We play from behind.

We're constantly 2nd to the ball.

Gut running isn't part of our game plan.

Our disposal skills are woeful.

We hang our heads too much.

We don't use the corridor anywhere near enough.

Our 2nd and 3rd efforts are generally poor

We play an outdated game style.

We don't talk out on the ground.

Give and go handballing - rarely see it.

The players don't care enough when we lose.

Our players are lazy.

We don't man up.

We give up too easily.

We don't chase or tackle with any intent.

Our forwards get caught from behind too much.

Our clearance work and system out of the middle is virtually non existent.

We don't know how to win.

We're generally soft and have been since the start of the 2008 season.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Macca

[Sir Why You Little 35,364]

I specifically said in the opening sentence that I'm not letting Cook or Prendergast off the hook. Refer to post #12.

I'm not letting the club off the hook in any way. I pointed out that there were more mistakes and obvious errors made than just the pick in the draft. Bigger picture stuff - and Bailey and now Neeld are all part of it.

Here's the list of the basic fundamentals not being adhered to. It's up to a coach to instil them. What chance does an 18 year old have at our club?

Our current crop of players can't think for themselves.

The team has no confidence.

Has no dash and daring.

Has very little teamwork.

We don't run to position.

We don't kick to position

We don't shepherd.

We don't back each other up.

We play from behind.

We're constantly 2nd to the ball.

Gut running isn't part of our game plan.

Our disposal skills are woeful.

We hang our heads too much.

We don't use the corridor anywhere near enough.

Our 2nd and 3rd efforts are generally poor

We play an outdated game style.

We don't talk out on the ground.

Give and go handballing - rarely see it.

The players don't care enough when we lose.

Our players are lazy.

We don't man up.

We give up too easily.

We don't chase or tackle with any intent.

Our forwards get caught from behind too much.

Our clearance work and system out of the middle is virtually non existent.

We don't know how to win.

We're generally soft and have been since the start of the 2008 season.

Superb isn't it....and some people on here are telling ME i am a fool and there is nothing wrong.

Sadly many supporters on here are now just in survival mode....winning is not considered.

[rjay 24,203]

I specifically said in the opening sentence that I'm not letting Cook or Prendergast off the hook. Refer to post #12.

I'm not letting the club off the hook in any way. I pointed out that there were more mistakes and obvious errors made than just the pick in the draft. Bigger picture stuff - and Bailey and now Neeld are all part of it.

Here's the list of the basic fundamentals not being adhered to. It's up to a coach to instil them. What chance does an 18 year old have at our club?

Our current crop of players can't think for themselves.

The team has no confidence.

Has no dash and daring.

Has very little teamwork.

We don't run to position.

We don't kick to position

We don't shepherd.

We don't back each other up.

We play from behind.

We're constantly 2nd to the ball.

Gut running isn't part of our game plan.

Our disposal skills are woeful.

We hang our heads too much.

We don't use the corridor anywhere near enough.

Our 2nd and 3rd efforts are generally poor

We play an outdated game style.

We don't talk out on the ground.

Give and go handballing - rarely see it.

The players don't care enough when we lose.

Our players are lazy.

We don't man up.

We give up too easily.

We don't chase or tackle with any intent.

Our forwards get caught from behind too much.

Our clearance work and system out of the middle is virtually non existent.

We don't know how to win.

We're generally soft and have been since the start of the 2008 season.

That just about covers it 'Macca'.

[DeeGee 146]

My niece's boyfriend played for north ballarat rebels at u/18 level with both Lucas cook and Tom McDonald. He tells me that Lucas was the best player he had seen at that level, and was astounded when tommy Mac was drafted. Funny how it turned out. Well not really.

Apparently Lucas is playing part time at hopetoun this year, so my niece's boyfriend is playing with him again. Interesting to hear how he goes.

[Macca 16,174]

That just about covers it 'Macca'.

Isn't it just ridiculous. Just about everyone on this site would know what the basic fundamentals of the game are so it's hardly 'ground breaking' stuff that I've mentioned.

It all starts out of the middle. Our centre clearance onballers often get caught from behind (Sylvia was a major culprit last weekend) Jamar's taps go nowhere so that bit has to be addressed.

Jones is our only onballer who reads the play well, plays in front of his man, gets the ball and then tries to do something with it. Viney should develop into a similar player but the rest of them have no idea.

More should be expected and demanded from our players (especially our midfielders) It's not enough to merely say "They're all crap". They'll all got ability (you don't get onto an AFL list without a certain amount of ability) The club has a history of not developing our players well and the players themselves are not self motivated enough to improve (aside from Jones, Clark and probably Viney)

3 blokes - that's all I can find.

[Macca 16,174]

Superb isn't it....and some people on here are telling ME i am a fool and there is nothing wrong.

Sadly many supporters on here are now just in survival mode....winning is not considered.

I agree, the club doesn't talk about winning. If they're not talking about it then they're not thinking about it.

They talk about 'bi-products', structures, processes, systems etc etc. It's all bs, rhetoric and it's all said to 'deflect'. And a fair percentage of supporters lap it up.

You were right Wyl, we needed a clean out after '186'.

We could somehow win tonight, but the club isn't getting any real praise from me until we put in a sustained effort for a number of games. It's all about winning. Those who believe otherwise are making excuses in advance. The real world punishes losers and always will.

[Guest]

I agree, the club doesn't talk about winning. If they're not talking about it then they're not thinking about it.

They talk about 'bi-products', structures, processes, systems etc etc. It's all bs, rhetoric and it's all said to 'deflect'. And a fair percentage of supporters lap it up.

You were right Wyl, we needed a clean out after '186'.

We could somehow win tonight, but the club isn't getting any real praise from me until we put in a sustained effort for a number of games. It's all about winning. Those who believe otherwise are making excuses in advance. The real world punishes losers and always will.

Same here Macca. We could win tonight but I'm not coming around until I see consistent effort. And that doesn't mean wins per se. On my end, I just want to see the boys have a dip every game. While I just want to see consistent effort, the club needs to view every game as a potential win. As you said, and I have said elsewhere, the club needs to be about winning games of football rather than BS gimmicks and rhetoric. Edited April 6, 2013 by Guest

[Redleg 38,641]

And we wonder why our club's stuffed.

A decade of squandering first round draft picks. That's why.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1413660/cook-put-on-backburner-as-roosters-face-star-studded-colingwood-outfit/?cs=63

And there is my hobby horse of the last few years. Agree completely.

As the old footy saying goes," it's hard to pull up your socks if you arent' wearing any."

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Cook was a disaster but he was no orphan we have had plenty, I remember getting howled down when I suggested that he wouldn't make it half way through his first season.

Our recruiting sucks and it seems as if we haven't learnt a thing by recruiting has-beens from other clubs and expecting them to all of a sudden come good.

Mitch Clark and Jack Viney would have been complimented by Olie Wines and Jack Darling.

[ThreeOneSix 953]

And yet David King keeps bringing up his name when talking about our mature recruiting instead of playing him.....

We done the right thing getting rid of Gysberts, Morton, Jurrah, Cook.

They are too slight on.

And judging by Neeld getting rid of those types, I am gobsmacked we didn't take Wines.