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  1. 1. Do we trade Jack Watts?

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1 minute ago, Return to Glory said:

I don't want Jack to leave. Absolutely love him. I'm sure many posters can put forward plausible, well founded arguments for Jack and the clubs to part ways ...and I'm not saying they're wrong. It may be a good move for club and player. But I'll miss him if he moves on. For all his faults (which are relentlessly scrutinized), I have no doubt he loves the club. So I'm hoping for a miracle...

RtG you will have to ask Goodwin he is pparently the only one who knows the problem with Jackie boy

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Just now, jackaub said:

When is this serial underperformer  going to pissoff Geesssus!!!

Yawn yawn yawn who cares ?

the world moves on and so does the MFC

I  normally consider myself to be fairly hard hearted about underperforming players, but your post is hugely disrespectful to a bloke who loves the club as much as the supporters do, and is loved by the playing group.

 

He may have had an underwhelming career with us, and justifiably be on his way out the door, but let us at least show some class about it.

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

But you said the players weren't happy, texting each other etc - I just asked whether you knew that for a fact or were just spitballing. Not having a go mate, I think you're a good poster and don't want to get involved in a [censored] for tat.

I love this club. My loyalty is absolutely to it, not Jack Watts.

I'm very worried about the terms of this trade. And the genesis of it. Doesn't really make sense to me.

That's it.

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2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

not much choice after the way this game has been played.

To say it was amateur is a gross understatement.

Remind me never to ask the MFC list management team to negotiate on my behalf.

Explain to us how else you can do it

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5 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I  normally consider myself to be fairly hard hearted about underperforming players, but your post is hugely disrespectful to a bloke who loves the club as much as the supporters do, and is loved by the playing group.

 

He may have had an underwhelming career with us, and justifiably be on his way out the door, but let us at least show some class about it.

Mate this guy has played the club off a break his whole career

I for one have lost any respect i might have had for him

Roos soft managed him back into the club in 2015

Just a complete waste in my opinion

You and the othe biscuitdunkers have  a different opinion. So be it

And if he loves the club as much as you say wahy doesnt he have a go? 9 years bye bye Jack

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7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

this is becoming more of a farce by the hour...

why am I not surprised anymore by the MFC.

By the way... anyone remember Woewodin who we traded to Collingwood and then part paid his salary while he became a valuable cog in their Grand Final Team.

We are the team that keeps giving !!

And yes... we were paying W way too much based on his Brownlow year in 2000

Shane Woewodin played for collingwood from 2003-2005, collingwood won the premiership in 2010. Not sure the link can be made between him playing in 2005 and them winning in 2010.

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7 minutes ago, jackaub said:

RtG you will have to ask Goodwin he is pparently the only one who knows the problem with Jackie boy

Interesting that you assume a problem is in one particular area .

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1 minute ago, --coach-- said:

Shane Woewodin played for collingwood from 2003-2005, collingwood won the premiership in 2010. Not sure the link can be made between him playing in 2005 and them winning in 2010.

read the post !!

"he became a valuable cog in their Grand Final Team."

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Just now, beelzebub said:

Interesting that you assume a problem is in one particular area .

Enlighten me please

Everybody loves Jack!   Why is he going?

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Just now, jackaub said:

Mate this guy has played the club off a break his whole career

I for one have lost any respect i might have had for him

Roos soft managed him back into the club in 2015

Just a complete waste in my opinion

You and the othe biscuitdunkers have  a different opinion. So be it

 

lol "biscuitdunkers" Love it. Mods, please dont delete.

 

I am happy to see the club make a move on Jack, as he has certainly failed to make the most of his ability for us. He could have been, but couldn't bother to be, great.

We will convert him into a draft pick that will bring a new player into the club, and I trust that Jason Taylor can identify the characteristics that will make successful players out of those draftees.

 

I just think bagging him in that way is unnecessary venting, that is better left for your own living room.

 

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3 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Mate this guy has played the club off a break his whole career

I for one have lost any respect i might have had for him

Roos soft managed him back into the club in 2015

Just a complete waste in my opinion

You and the othe biscuitdunkers have  a different opinion. So be it

 

 

Stick with your sailing, food and wine mate. Footy must be a minor interest to you. A lot of waffle about Jack.

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biscuitdunkers is aproblem?

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1 minute ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Stick with your sailing, food and wine mate. Footy must be a minor interest to you. A lot of waffle about Jack.

Yep the whole 183 pages

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1 minute ago, Diamond_Jim said:

read the post !!

"he became a valuable cog in their Grand Final Team."

So your saying he played a valuable cog in them loosing a grand final?

He did the same for us in 2000.

 

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1 minute ago, --coach-- said:

So your saying he played a valuable cog in them loosing a grand final?

He did the same for us in 2000.

 

Um, it takes a fair side to make a grand final. A vital cog in that team is a decent player. I think that's the take-home message here.

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6 minutes ago, jackaub said:

biscuitdunkers is aproblem?

'tis if you're a biscuit

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4 minutes ago, WAClark said:

Um, it takes a fair side to make a grand final. A vital cog in that team is a decent player. I think that's the take-home message here.

Yeah I get it, I’m just being facetious because we are nearing 186 pages on this thread, 95% of which is complete BS.

But I just....can’t.....look.....away! Oh look a car crash....

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19 minutes ago, faultydet said:

lol "biscuitdunkers" Love it. Mods, please dont delete.

 

I am happy to see the club make a move on Jack, as he has certainly failed to make the most of his ability for us. He could have been, but couldn't bother to be, great.

We will convert him into a draft pick that will bring a new player into the club, and I trust that Jason Taylor can identify the characteristics that will make successful players out of those draftees.

 

I just think bagging him in that way is unnecessary venting, that is better left for your own living room.

 

That's what the recruiting officer in all clubs hope. It is a huge gamble to bring in a late pick for an established and creative player. Even if the kid has great potential, he is not going to help us rise up the ladder next year. It takes time and a lot of us are sick of hearing of success in the far, far future. We want success next season but it just ain't going to happen if we are one experienced player down.

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12 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Yeah I get it, I’m just being facetious because we are nearing 186 pages on this thread, 95% of which is complete BS.

But I just....can’t.....look.....away! Oh look a car crash....

If he ends up staying, we might as well create a sub forum for Jack. Do doubt there'll be a 100 page thread on how his pre-season is going and critiquing his daily decisions like doing bicep curls rather than Romanian deadlifts in the weights room. 

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2 hours ago, Leoncelli_36 said:

...we still have not one player with elite foot skills in our side..

Christian Salem?  

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Just now, Bobby McKenzie said:

That's what the recruiting officer in all clubs hope. It is a huge gamble to bring in a late pick for an established and creative player. Even if the kid has great potential, he is not going to help us rise up the ladder next year. It takes time and a lot of us are sick of hearing of success in the far, far future. We want success next season but it just ain't going to happen if we are one experienced player down.

My take on it is the coaches have decided that he is not part of our forward planning, and as such, his experience is irrelevant

A handy pick can be packaged with another handy pick, for a good pick. All clubs need to turn over the list. Might be turned into an experienced player who plays the role that Watts played, but the way the coaches expect.

 

 

 

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I wrote the following 5 years ago.  I'm not sure who I wrote it to, but I've archived the odd comment over the years for ease of repeating it as necessary.  

 

I expect Watts to put his body on the line and he simply doesn't.  My point about others being quality talls at 21 shows that the age excuse wears thin.  James Frawley was AA at 21, likewise Jack Riewodt.  Neitz was an AA backman at 20.  All of these players committed their body to the contest.  How was Tom McDonald last year as a 19 year old when he finished top 5 in the B&F ?  Did he put his body on the line ?  He's shorter than Watts and hardly a behemoth, but he mans talls.  Watts doesn't. 

This is a massive year for Watts.  If in his fifth year he still doesn't use AFL intensity he's in a world of trouble. 

I don't mind if Watts drops an easy chest mark, I don't mind if he makes an errant kick, or three, I don't mind if a handball goes astray, and I'll even put up with the odd slipped tackle.  But I won't tolerate a player that gives half dedicated efforts when he's required to attack a contest with physicality.  Or when a player doesn't commit to spoil or mark in an aerial contest, because it exposes his body.  They are the reasons that I don't rate Watts and doubt I ever will.  And his age has nothing to do with it.  Go and watch Nathan Fyfe, or Jeremy Cameron play. 

If he starts attacking contests and putting his body on the line I'll be the first to acknowledge it.  I expect tumbleweeds.

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34 minutes ago, jackaub said:

Enlighten me please

Everybody loves Jack!   Why is he going?

Not everybody

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He did improve his intensity, but not to great levels, which is why he's been inconsistent.

That said, the game has changed a lot since I wrote the above.  And it has changed in a way that has suited Jack.  He doesn't need to improve much to be a very handy player.  

It's his fault it will be elsewhere.

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4 minutes ago, faultydet said:

My take on it is the coaches have decided that he is not part of our forward planning, and as such, his experience is irrelevant

A handy pick can be packaged with another handy pick, for a good pick. All clubs need to turn over the list. Might be turned into an experienced player who plays the role that Watts played, but the way the coaches expect.

 

 

 

Who are you thinking might be the experienced player to take Jacks place. We are not doing as well as Port and other clubs in our trading are we?

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