11 hours ago, DubDee said:

We Suck

The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked

11 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I know. If i was Head Coach, Goalkicking Practices would be a mandatory requirement for every player on a regular basis.

Similar to the Australian Cricket Team back in the 80’s, all players including bowlers had to bat in the nets.

And guess what, the Tailenders started making valuable contributions to an innings and games were won….

The Lack of care towards goalkicking by ALL Players has cost us Finals and at least one Flag

We are now in the Bottom 4

A big problem as I see it is to do with the tenet of our game. It seems to me the 'method of play' ( and I'll borrow that knowing it's a very loose notion ..method ) is primarily about pressure. What we are not is a SKILLS-BASED team .

We are quite devoid of skills actually ( imo )

We also employ ZERO craft in our forward play ( craft borrowed with method..see above lol )

We just don't seem to go about our footy based upon the mechanical abilities required. We're just British Bulldog at it and that's it.

We're all Zig and NO Zag !!

This stems from mindset and that all comes from....... ?? 😉

Edited June 15Jun 15 by beelzebub

48 minutes ago, deegirl said:

The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked

You clearly don't remember 2013

People are angry and I totally get it. However the one thing I really didn't expect to see on here was a callout on Max for being detrimental to the side and being carried rather than the carrier. I don't know if it's just a troll feeding exercise but there is literally nothing about Max's performances (especially those of late) that are holding us back, making him bigger than the club or hurting us in any way.

I’m so looking forward to the bye. I cannot take much more and I’m exhausted. And the TV is going to take about 2 weeks to repair.

I’m hating loving this team!

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

Good grief I agree with Hird...

GOODY OUR GOAL KICKING IS INEXCUSABLE.......WHATEVER YOU ARE WORKING ON IS NOT WORKING.

2 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

I’m so looking forward to the bye. I cannot take much more and I’m exhausted. And the TV is going to take about 2 weeks to repair.

I’m hating loving this team!

Gee Neil must have been some brick!

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Professional footy players should not be missing those, you would be ropeable if they were park players missing them let alone supposedly elite athletes. Unforgiveable, they should feel horrible about that failure of basic skill execution.

I wonder if they actually care?

Oh well

2026 awaits

5 minutes ago, Robbie57 said:

Good grief I agree with Hird...

GOODY OUR GOAL KICKING IS INEXCUSABLE.......WHATEVER YOU ARE WORKING ON IS NOT WORKING.

I remember Brad Scott in his Norf days dropping one of their small forwards because he was missing too many goals...Lindsay someone?

Created a real stir as he was quite a dynamic player

9 minutes ago, layzie said:

People are angry and I totally get it. However the one thing I really didn't expect to see on here was a callout on Max for being detrimental to the side and being carried rather than the carrier. I don't know if it's just a troll feeding exercise but there is literally nothing about Max's performances (especially those of late) that are holding us back, making him bigger than the club or hurting us in any way.

Geez @layzie I don't see that anyone would suggest he's being carried by the team. He has been a bloody gem and is in AA form. He busts his guts for us and I think everyone here acknowledges it.
But, I think he's kicked 2 goals 11 behinds this year (and probably a couple OOF)

The captain (and senior players) have to go back and slot those. I know he said he's been working on his accuracy but all reports from training is that there's no structured approach by the club to try and get us out of the goal kicking yips. None!

Max has to help lead this approach.

It's like we're in complete denial of the problems that are seeing us lose games continually through poor forward entries and poor accuracy.

We've dropped at least 3 games through poor accuracy this year. Win those and we'd be sitting around mid table and keeping our members engaged.

We can't continue like this. It's unsustainable, demoralising and damaging for all parties involved with our club.

It's the definition of insanity right now. If the review stated that players needed more independence, then Max and the leadership team have to take ownership and help drive the change.

7 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Geez @layzie I don't see that anyone would suggest he's being carried by the team. He has been a bloody gem and is in AA form. He busts his guts for us and I think everyone here acknowledges it.
But, I think he's kicked 2 goals 11 behinds this year (and probably a couple OOF)

The captain (and senior players) have to go back and slot those. I know he said he's been working on his accuracy but all reports from training is that there's no structured approach by the club to try and get us out of the goal kicking yips. None!

Max has to help lead this approach.

It's like we're in complete denial of the problems that are seeing us lose games continually through poor forward entries and poor accuracy.

We've dropped at least 3 games through poor accuracy this year. Win those and we'd be sitting around mid table and keeping our members engaged.

We can't continue like this. It's unsustainable, demoralising and damaging for all parties involved with our club.

It's the definition of insanity right now. If the review stated that players needed more independence, then Max and the leadership team have to take ownership and help drive the change.

Look the goalkicking aspect is another thing and yes that side of his game does hurt. It would be great if he was good for a goal a week, but it annoys me how we're so reliant on Max dobbing chances to keep us in a game as well.

He does have to shoulder some responsibility in that regard but he's certainly not alone.

17 minutes ago, layzie said:

Look the goalkicking aspect is another thing and yes that side of his game does hurt. It would be great if he was good for a goal a week, but it annoys me how we're so reliant on Max dobbing chances to keep us in a game as well.

He does have to shoulder some responsibility in that regard but he's certainly not alone.

Lol

Posters wanted Gawn to rest in the forward pocket

There was a reason Johnny Schultz changed in the back pocket

'Yes...that part of the game does hurt....' - yes, indeedy

I'm going to sit down and watch the '21 Grand Final.

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

A big problem as I see it is to do with the tenet of our game. It seems to me the 'method of play' ( and I'll borrow that knowing it's a very loose notion ..method ) is primarily about pressure. What we are not is a SKILLS-BASED team .

We are quite devoid of skills actually ( imo )

We also employ ZERO craft in our forward play ( craft borrowed with method..see above lol )

We just don't seem to go about our footy based upon the mechanical abilities required. We're just British Bulldog at it and that's it.

We're all Zig and NO Zag !!

This stems from mindset and that all comes from....... ?? 😉

Every decent team uses pressure in its execution.

They are also drilled in many other facets

The MFC is just badly Coached by the Football Department, it can be nothing else

It happens weekly

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Every decent team uses pressure in its execution.

They are also drilled in many other facets

The MFC is just badly Coached by the Football Department, it can be nothing else

It happens weekly

Yes good teams use pressure.. it's A tool . It's about our ONLY tool. And therein lies the problem.

I often wonder WHAT is actually coached at Melbourne

Kicking for goal? Yes, certainly an issue. Lack of separation in the forward line? Yes, woeful. But for me the problem goes deeper than that.

Basic skills are missing. Fumbling, missing targets by both hand and foot and conceding possession time and time again from the opposition's point kick ins. So often, we see the oppo going coast to coast from their backline, without one of our players touching the ball. Yet, when we kick in, it is mostly down the line to a pack and therefore virtually a 50/50 contest. We transition from defence to attack mostly under intense pressure, but don't return the favour going the other way.

Yesterday, to me, Viney was clearly underdone, as a result of his hand injury, Clarrie still doesn't look fit to me and Trac looks unfit, or he either is carrying an injury or he's lost interest. When you have a core group of players who look out of sorts, then it becomes contagious among the younger blokes. May and Lever are not the focussed and reliable backs they were.

Of course if any of this is true, then it begs the question; WHY? What is the root cause? I do not believe we are as bad as some of our results may suggest, but as supporters, we are entitled to question and expect answers, over and above motherhood statements.

8 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

Lol

Posters wanted Gawn to rest in the forward pocket

There was a reason Johnny Schultz changed in the back pocket

'Yes...that part of the game does hurt....' - yes, indeedy

First of all great reference, RIP to the great man.

It was very common practice for decades to rest ruckmen in the back pocket. The game has evolved so much obviously and there has never been more versatile and athletic rucks but it was a method that worked well.

14 minutes ago, layzie said:

First of all great reference, RIP to the great man.

It was very common practice for decades to rest ruckmen in the back pocket. The game has evolved so much obviously and there has never been more versatile and athletic rucks but it was a method that worked well.

You had to rest them somewhere. There was no interchange then.

37 minutes ago, Go the Biff said:

You had to rest them somewhere. There was no interchange then.

True - the instructions were clear:

'Bomb it out of there!!!!'

18 hours ago, WheeloRatings said:

We're at 20.3% for the season. We're 7th for shots per inside 50, but 18th for goals per inside 50.

We certainly don't look like we get a goal for every 5 entries in our fwd 50.

20 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Whilst the modern game is made for pianists we have all the piano lifters.

Ripping analogy Rab, spot on.

We are all force and no finesse. It worked for a time when clubs didn't value precision kicking and leg speed to the extent they do now.

We win the ball more than enough, get it into our F50 and fight to keep it there long enough to kick 8 goals 15 behinds. Meanwhile the opposition flood back, absorb pressure with numbers until the next time they can scythe the ball end to end with speed and precision.

25 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Ripping analogy Rab, spot on.

We are all force and no finesse. It worked for a time when clubs didn't value precision kicking and leg speed to the extent they do now.

We win the ball more than enough, get it into our F50 and fight to keep it there long enough to kick 8 goals 15 behinds. Meanwhile the opposition flood back, absorb pressure with numbers until the next time they can scythe the ball end to end with speed and precision.

I remember a commentator saying something similar about the dutch national team in the 2010 World Cup final against Spain. Also @binman on the post game Collingwood podcast, to the effect of us having hammers and mallets whilst Collingwood have scalpels.

From an external viewpoint, it looks like our method involves getting the ball into the f50 under any means, win the contested ball and score goals.

• This breaks down when:

• We dont apply any pressure and the ball waltzes from our f50 to theirs.

• We cant win a clearance in our f50

• We cannot kick goals.

Bombing it in allows oppositions to set 1 or 2 extra behind the ball to intercept, to spoil, and to begin their turnover into attack. When we allow this as a set-up, it creates the carnage we saw yesterday.

1 in 5 entries end in a score. Unacceptable.

7 hours ago, Demonised said:

I'm going to sit down and watch the '21 Grand Final.

Skip the 2nd qtr and early part of the 3rd.
Just as frustrating.

We were ever so close to Melbourning that game as well.
I was slipping down a dark tunnel that night lemme tell ya.

8 hours ago, beelzebub said:

A big problem as I see it is to do with the tenet of our game. It seems to me the 'method of play' ( and I'll borrow that knowing it's a very loose notion ..method ) is primarily about pressure. What we are not is a SKILLS-BASED team .

We are quite devoid of skills actually ( imo )

We also employ ZERO craft in our forward play ( craft borrowed with method..see above lol )

We just don't seem to go about our footy based upon the mechanical abilities required. We're just British Bulldog at it and that's it.

We're all Zig and NO Zag !!

This stems from mindset and that all comes from....... ?? 😉

Love it, yes British Bulldog