3 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

Old war injury chook

No just old school aversion therapy. Bring it back.

The cricketers practice throwing at the 1 stump, maybe we should shift the goalposts at Casey to within 1 or 2 metres of each other 🤷

Edited May 14May 14 by John Demonic

Selwyn Griffiths!

58 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

The cricketers practice throwing at the 1 stump, maybe we should shift the goalposts at Casey to within 1 or 2 metres of each other 🤷

It's actually not a bad idea, 2 extra posts 2 meters apart in-between the existing goal posts.

Get them kicking in between them watch the goal conversion percentage lift, I'd be shocked if this hasn't happened before.

6 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I think it's different for different players.

Spargo - generally a good kick from within 40m but missed a sitter on the weekend, suggests a mental thing

Spargo is a decent kick i50. His problem as a forward its he cannot kick longer than he is tall

14 hours ago, sue said:

Maybe. But Dee-tails-key may have a point.

If you are practising kicking in a windy location like Casey it makes it harder to know where your kicking is really at. If you miss you (and your coaches too) might put it down to the wind whereas there is something wrong with your technique and that gets overlooked as a result.

You’d hope at the elite level such rudimentary misdiagnoses doesn’t occur. Surely there’s more self-awareness from players and staff alike.

2 issues as far as I'm concerned.
Mentally weak and a refusal to work on atrocious ball drops.

There is not one player in our side I'm confident will kick straight with a set shot.
Even less less confident when we really need the goal.
Some I'm absolutely confident they'll spray it.
And our "best" players are some of the worst offenders.

Problem is our field kicking is just as deplorable.
It's hard to lead with any confidence when you just know the kick coming your way is likely to go anywhere.

15 hours ago, DubDee said:

Poor entries inside 50's going too wide

Poor skilled players that just aren't good kicks like Viney, Trac etc

Lack of mental toughness

Not having a stable effective fwd line. JVR, Turner are very good kicks usually (and Fristch but I can't deal with him right now). If these 3 were in form and mentally in the zone with LJ as 2nd ruck we would see a big difference

Every time a fwd has a shot they must feel like if they miss they might get dropped. Stability counts and we have zero

Spargo, Fritta and Sharp missed on no angle at all. It's more than that

15 hours ago, sue said:

there could well be a component of mentally making excuses for missing due to the wind at Casey and thus not fixing poor technique.

Every junior player in the country, and most senior players, deal with training and playing in substandard conditions. Most of them kick for goal better than some of our players.

There is absolutely no excuse for highly paid, professional footballers to not be able to deal with variable wind conditions.

Kickers and punters in the US play in snow and seem to manage okay.

4 minutes ago, poita said:

Every junior player in the country, and most senior players, deal with training and playing in substandard conditions. Most of them kick for goal better than some of our players.

There is absolutely no excuse for highly paid, professional footballers to not be able to deal with variable wind conditions.

Kickers and punters in the US play in snow and seem to manage okay.

I think you miss my point. I'm not talking about dealing with windy conditions in games. Sure lots of good players kick better than ours in all conditions. Simply saying our players are carp doesn't address the point.

The possibility I (and I think the OP) are pointing to is that if you train in 'impossible' conditions, it may be harder to improve your technique. Why? Because you can't be sure that a change you made to your technique is actually working.

To get clean data from the noisy data caused by a gusty wind, you may have to take 100 shots at goal, whereas if you were doing it in calm conditions, perhaps only 20 shots at goal would show you whether the change you made was working.

So improvement of technique may be slower if you train in windy conditions.

That is all I'm saying. That possibly minor factor is probably completely overwhelmed by our lack off talent, poor coaching or application.

I think I've tried to make this minor point too many times, so won't again.

15 hours ago, Watson11 said:

Maybe our forwards (including Max and Tracc) can stay on the training track for longer and not leave until they have kicked 28 out of 30 from 30m. Max and Tracc might never be able to go home.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1291484/inside-the-meticulous-routine-of-the-games-most-lethally-accurate-goalkicker-north-melbourne-star-nick-larkey

This was an interesting article and has quite a few learnings for the club.

But also... we had the knowledge in our four walls and let it walk!!

34 minutes ago, sue said:

I think you miss my point. I'm not talking about dealing with windy conditions in games. Sure lots of good players kick better than ours in all conditions. Simply saying our players are carp doesn't address the point.

The possibility I (and I think the OP) are pointing to is that if you train in 'impossible' conditions, it may be harder to improve your technique. Why? Because you can't be sure that a change you made to your technique is actually working.

To get clean data from the noisy data caused by a gusty wind, you may have to take 100 shots at goal, whereas if you were doing it in calm conditions, perhaps only 20 shots at goal would show you whether the change you made was working.

So improvement of technique may be slower if you train in windy conditions.

That is all I'm saying. That possibly minor factor is probably completely overwhelmed by our lack off talent, poor coaching or application.

I think I've tried to make this minor point too many times, so won't again.

Sorry but that’s ridiculous. You can improve your technique indoors at any hour of the day. With technique bedded down you practice in all conditions. Cloke used to have headphones with crowd noise when he practiced during a lean spell. Practicing in windy conditions should strengthen your technique and help learn about your kicking and your flaws. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Our rating should have a solid time dedicated to goal kicking.

Never helped Cloke.

15 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Sorry but that’s ridiculous. You can improve your technique indoors at any hour of the day. With technique bedded down you practice in all conditions. Cloke used to have headphones with crowd noise when he practiced during a lean spell. Practicing in windy conditions should strengthen your technique and help learn about your kicking and your flaws. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Our rating should have a solid time dedicated to goal kicking.

I promised not to rinse and repeat about people missing my point, so I will comment on a different point.

Please tell me how you can truly develop your goal kicking indoors (unless your indoors is Marvel Stadium). It's all very well to try to polish a technique but until it goes 30-50 metres through a 7m wide gap, you won't really know.

I guess with a lot of high tech equipment in a limited indoor space it may be posssible to extrapolate and see if a kick would have gone through goals 50 m away. But think of the damage to the ceiling.

12 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

Spargo is a decent kick i50. His problem as a forward its he cannot kick longer than he is tall

100% agree... plus he's not overly quick for a small player.

Kynan Brown could potentially go past him, though he's probably a worse quick but quicker and better pressure player.

Didn't we kick 15.5 up to 3/4 time against Freo, so why did it work that week and has deserted us since?

12 hours ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

This was an interesting article and has quite a few learnings for the club.

But also... we had the knowledge in our four walls and let it walk!!

We did have BBB on our list for 2 ?3 years.

Did he try to impart a routine into his team mates? If not, why not?

On 14/05/2025 at 16:25, BLWNBA said:

Agreed.

Players must take some courses in advanced calculus and possibly get some specialists in from the Bureau of Meteorology.

Or dock players pay per miss. The stick is always better.

The interesting aspect in all this, is that Fritta and Roo used to be such good shots.

I mean with Tracca and Gawn we have just taken it as a pleasant surprise when they convert but the others are a mystery.

We quite possibly could have had the Hawks game sewn up at Three quarter time with some decent kicking. That and just a fair shake from some truly poor umpires.

I reckon that trip on Kozzie was seen by people in the New Guinea highlands fgs.

It was a huge issue in our finals campaigns and I reckon probably cost us a flag. But still not fixed.

It's damn frustrating. Must drive the coaches nuts. But then again it's their jobs to rectify.

Fun Fact.

Petracca is rated the worst inside 50 kick in the league.
Of his 45 inside 50 entries, only one has resulted in a mark.

Is there anywhere that records the number of rushed behinds vs actual missed shots on goal?

Our accuracy is poor, but I feel it's made to look a lot worse when all the rush behinds are added to the total.

(Which to me are a direct result of bombing it to a pack at the top of the square over and over and over, but that's another story...)

Edited May 16May 16 by JTR

Whatever happened to spotting something directly behind the goals from your kick and lobbing the ball on top of whatever it is you've sighted?

2 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

Whatever happened to spotting something directly behind the goals from your kick and lobbing the ball on top of whatever it is you've sighted?

This is what I don’t get! Every player within our team is a good enough field kick to place it within 1-2m of their intended target at a distance of roughly 40m, but when faced with the ‘goal’ they see the face of the goals as the target and accordingly they get it outside of that by 1-2m.

It’s all coaching and practice, simply need to grab a bloody designated player and put him in the middle of the goals to kick to - just kick it over his head!

31 minutes ago, DemonWheels said:

This is what I don’t get! Every player within our team is a good enough field kick to place it within 1-2m of their intended target at a distance of roughly 40m, but when faced with the ‘goal’ they see the face of the goals as the target and accordingly they get it outside of that by 1-2m.

It’s all coaching and practice, simply need to grab a bloody designated player and put him in the middle of the goals to kick to - just kick it over his head!

The Coaching and Training needs to be updated and given much more importance

Players have also got to want to lift their own standards, not for one week. But an entire Year

39 minutes ago, DemonWheels said:

This is what I don’t get! Every player within our team is a good enough field kick to place it within 1-2m of their intended target at a distance of roughly 40m, but when faced with the ‘goal’ they see the face of the goals as the target and accordingly they get it outside of that by 1-2m.

It’s all coaching and practice, simply need to grab a bloody designated player and put him in the middle of the goals to kick to - just kick it over his head!

They have huge actual circle targets held up on the fence in the cheer squad.

Fgs what more do you need. Gps inside the ball?

These are the elite footballers in the country.

It is their job.

They practice and train for 10 months a year.

There should be no excuses.

An occasional miss ok, but not the [censored] we are seeing regularly.