Kozzy Homesick & Wants to Leave?

[binman 44,824]

5 hours ago, Gator said:

Which year suits you best ?

That's a totally disingenuous response to Sydee's completey reasonable post. 

Sydee asked, to provide some balance, what our win/loss ratio over the past 5 to 7 years was, not a single season, as your post above implies. 

You'll get no argument from me we have been woeful for much of the last 34 years and for much of that time a basket case off field (leading to being one onfield).

You point to our woeful win loss record in the 'AFL era'  (1990 to now -34 seasons) as evidence to support your argument that we're have to be close to the AFL's biggest basket case and have been a joke.

And I agree, our win loss ratio is the last 34 years is certainly strong evidence of your point.

But to answer Sydees totally logical question, lets use the 8 season goody has been senior coach as the time frame. 

In the goody era, we have played 182 games and won 104, lost 78 and drawn one, for a won loss ratio of 56.9% (50% in finals).

Eight years is a pretty good sample size (almost 25% of the 'AFL era'). I suspect only the cats, and perhaps the swans, lions and port would have a better win loss ratio in the last 8 years. 

If we accept the argument our woeful win loss ratio in the last 34 years (second worst in that period) is evidence of the club being a basket case and a joke over that period, then by the very same logic having one of the best win loss ratios (I'm guessing top 4) in the last 8 years (that's to say recent history) is evidence of a very successful, very well run club (ie very much not a joke) in that period.

It's logically inconsistent to argue otherwise.

And a flag certainly supports the argument we are one of the most successful clubs in the last 8 years.

Edited January 25 by binman

[rjay 25,424]

10 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

I can see Freo reaching top 4 this year with probs the best midfield in the league now. and best ruck combo. a bit like the Petracca situation late last year, if Kozzie wanted to go there, how could a deal be done ? 

 

11 hours ago, rjay said:

Homesickness is a 2 way street...

I would rather keep Koz but lets say he really wants to go.

Firstly if he's homesick we should deal with WC...then if it's obvious he's not but wants to go to Freo...

I don't think a trade gets done without a top level  player involved.

Maybe Brayshaw or Young perhaps Darcy if we want a Gawn successor.

Edited January 25 by rjay

[Travy14 2,142]

6 hours ago, Gator said:

Their recruiting since Taylor joined has been very good, not perfect, but pretty exceptional.

As CEO Peter Jackson got the club back on track.

But in the AFL era we'd have to be close to the AFL's biggest basket case.  We really have been a joke.

The following win/loss percentage sums up how deplorable we've been.  Thank goodness for Gold Coast.

Since the beginning of the AFL era in 1990.

Geelong 63.51%
Collingwood 54.80%
Hawthorn 54.48%
Port Adelaide 54.34%
West Coast 54.33%
Sydney 53.55%
Essendon 51.75%
Adelaide 51.22%
Western Bulldogs 50.06%
North Melbourne 48.69%
St Kilda 48.05%
Brisbane 47.33%
Greater Western Sydney 46.51%
Richmond 46.00%
Fremantle 45.33%
Carlton 44.96%
Melbourne 44.14%
Gold Coast 29.51%

Thank god we ain't in the 90s anymore.  Useless stat.

Do the last 5 years.  Hell even 10!

[Travy14 2,142]

10 minutes ago, rjay said:

 

I would rather keep Koz but lets say he really wants to go.

Firstly if he's homesick we should deal with WC...then if it's obvious he's not but wants to go to Freo...

I don't think a trade gets done without a level top player involved.

Maybe Brayshaw or Young perhaps Darcy if we want a Gawn successor.

Darcy would be a very good move, if we had too!

[Pennant St Dee 13,452]

On 21/01/2025 at 10:47, Redleg said:

 With the salary cap set to hit a staggering $17.7m in 2025, the number of annual million-dollar players is set to surge.

Lets have a rough guess at Dockers high rollers.

Jackson. Darcy. Brayshaw. Serong. Pearce. Young. Bolton.  Cox. Treacy. Clark. Amiss and Warner next year.

I would guess about $8m for 8 of them and $3m for the other 4.

That would leave at a guess about $6.5m for the other 32 players on the list.

That is about $203k per player. Fyfe, Walters, Frederick etc in that group of 32.

Don't think they have a lot of money to splash around if they get Warner.

I think they won’t offer Brayshaw a massive amount. May be a long contract to spread money over a period of 6 to 7 years

[Pennant St Dee 13,452]

13 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Thank god we ain't in the 90s anymore.  Useless stat.

Do the last 5 years.  Hell even 10!

Read a stat today that only Hawthorn have won more premierships than us in the last 100 years.

Everything can be used to show a positive light, politicians been doing it since the dawn of time.

I actually believe our last 10 years has been similar to other clubs in similar builds over time. Yeah should have probably grabbed 1 more but we ain’t done yet 

[whatwhat say what 23,854]

9 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I think they won’t offer Brayshaw a massive amount. May be a long contract to spread money over a period of 6 to 7 years

and the presumption is he'll take it?

[daisycutter 30,021]

2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

As you were.  The new millennium didn't start until 1st January 2001.  (2000 was the last year of the old one.)

 that hoary old chestnut  😮

Edited January 25 by daisycutter

[Roost it far 10,136]

36 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Darcy would be a very good move, if we had too!

Darcy’s on stupid money. Personally beyond Gawn I think we look at average rucks from around the league and put the money into another midfielder. We got lucky with Gawn s and we ain’t likely to replicate it. If Koz goes we want the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks. It’s why a deal can’t get done. 

[Demonstone 23,572]

25 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

 that hoary old chestnut  😮

It's the truth that confused a lot of gullible people at the time.

2000 was the 2000th year but didn't turn 2000 until the end of it.  At the completion of 2000 years, the next year/century/millennium commenced.  That was at 0:001 on 1/1/2001.

Let's say you're 70 years old.  You've completed 70 years on the planet and are now in your 71st year.  You won't turn 71 until the end of the year, even though you're in year 71.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp, but many still don't get it.

edit:  Google a reputable source of your choice if you still have any doubts.

Edited January 25 by Demonstone

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,955]

52 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Darcy’s on stupid money. Personally beyond Gawn I think we look at average rucks from around the league and put the money into another midfielder. We got lucky with Gawn s and we ain’t likely to replicate it. If Koz goes we want the equivalent of 2 top 10 picks. It’s why a deal can’t get done. 

How good would it be to find another Gawny though? It'd be like Joel Garner retiring and Curtly Ambrose replacing him. 

[adonski 13,267]

Max Gawn may have better longevity in the game than Sean Darcy! Maybe the trade paperwork could get stuffed up and we get Sam Darcy instead?

[Demongirl35 1,135]

If he is homesick then fair enough but he doesn’t get a say if it’s west coast or Fremantle. Should be just happy to get back home… 

[Roost it far 10,136]

Would you take Koz and our next 2 first rounders for Harley Reid?

[daisycutter 30,021]

3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

It's the truth that confused a lot of gullible people at the time.

2000 was the 2000th year but didn't turn 2000 until the end of it.  At the completion of 2000 years, the next year/century/millennium commenced.  That was at 0:001 on 1/1/2001.

Let's say you're 70 years old.  You've completed 70 years on the planet and are now in your 71st year.  You won't turn 71 until the end of the year, even though you're in year 71.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp, but many still don't get it.

edit:  Google a reputable source of your choice if you still have any doubts.

only coz the [censored] didn't proscribe a year 0ad

tis not that i have doubts ... as i said the old hoary chestnut

[Gator 18,053]

6 hours ago, binman said:

That's a totally disingenuous response to Sydee's completey reasonable post. 

Sydee asked, to provide some balance, what our win/loss ratio over the past 5 to 7 years was, not a single season, as your post above implies. 

You'll get no argument from me we have been woeful for much of the last 34 years and for much of that time a basket case off field (leading to being one onfield).

You point to our woeful win loss record in the 'AFL era'  (1990 to now -34 seasons) as evidence to support your argument that we're have to be close to the AFL's biggest basket case and have been a joke.

And I agree, our win loss ratio is the last 34 years is certainly strong evidence of your point.

But to answer Sydees totally logical question, lets use the 8 season goody has been senior coach as the time frame. 

In the goody era, we have played 182 games and won 104, lost 78 and drawn one, for a won loss ratio of 56.9% (50% in finals).

Eight years is a pretty good sample size (almost 25% of the 'AFL era'). I suspect only the cats, and perhaps the swans, lions and port would have a better win loss ratio in the last 8 years. 

If we accept the argument our woeful win loss ratio in the last 34 years (second worst in that period) is evidence of the club being a basket case and a joke over that period, then by the very same logic having one of the best win loss ratios (I'm guessing top 4) in the last 8 years (that's to say recent history) is evidence of a very successful, very well run club (ie very much not a joke) in that period.

It's logically inconsistent to argue otherwise.

And a flag certainly supports the argument we are one of the most successful clubs in the last 8 years.

When have I questioned our last 8 years ?

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

On 21/01/2025 at 14:26, Katrina Dee Fan said:

I'm not sure if this is something Freo have brought up or the West Australian, and yes, it's a non-issue, because they're only referring to his exit interview last October where he stated he is homesick at times, but the media conveniently left out that he is happy with the way the club handles that, and allows him time to go home on occasion.  What new information is there now?  None!  It the rag of a newspaper being mischievous.  Again.

Plain and simple KDF. That Media Maggot's West Australian Rag, is like the rest of them at Stokes Media West. Trump Maga.

[Redleg 42,156]

19 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

I think they won’t offer Brayshaw a massive amount. May be a long contract to spread money over a period of 6 to 7 years

Would think with what happened to his brother, he would be advised by everyone in the family and management, to get as much as he can, especially since he will be offered plenty by other clubs.

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

18 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Would you take Koz and our next 2 first rounders for Harley Reid?

Yes...

You can build a team around HR

Koz is top quality cream

[Fork 'em 7,052]

18 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Would you take Koz and our next 2 first rounders for Harley Reid?

Not gonna happen.

[Roost it far 10,136]

2 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Not gonna happen.

I wouldn’t think so but I like hypotheticals 

[Deeoldfart 8,201]

22 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

How good would it be to find another Gawny though? It'd be like Joel Garner retiring and Curtly Ambrose replacing him. 

……… and if you could replace Gawny as a top-line ruckman, could you adequately replace his outstanding leadership?

[greenwaves 516]

On 25/01/2025 at 16:08, Demonstone said:

The new millennium didn't start until 1st January 2001.  (2000 was the last year of the old one.)

It's a bit like the AFL celebrating its centenary in 1996 when in fact the centenary was actually in 1997.  1996 was the hundredth year of the VFL/AFL, but a centenary isn't the hundredth year, a centenary is when a hundred years has been completed.  So in 1996 only ninety-nine years had completed.

I don't read replies or reactions 

 

Edited January 26 by greenwaves

[DemonOX 8,857]

Why the hall would u like posts on Freo when 1. u r a Melbourne player and 2. there is already stuff in the media about u wanting to go home, only adds fuel to the fire and draws more attention to u. 

What a stupid thing to do. 

U R A CONTRACTED MELBOURNE PLAYER ACT LIKE IT. 

[Fork 'em 7,052]

46 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

Why the hall would u like posts on Freo when 1. u r a Melbourne player and 2. there is already stuff in the media about u wanting to go home, only adds fuel to the fire and draws more attention to u. 

What a stupid thing to do. 

U R A CONTRACTED MELBOURNE PLAYER ACT LIKE IT. 

Taking a leaf from Horne-Francis book.
He caused a minor sheet storm when he "liked" a similar post about him going to Port early in his 1st season at North.

And he got there.