On 09/09/2024 at 22:30, Demon Dynasty said:

This is where the MFC needs to get on the front foot and start slapping these [censored] for slander with an immediate law suit.

Under Roffey & Pert we've been way too quiet in general and way too soft as a club when it comes to standing up for the players and ourselves.

We should've tried to hang on to PJ for at least another 3 to 5 years.  He was a mile ahead of both in terms of representing and taking the initiative with the press / communicating with members.

It is my understanding that there is no legal exposure if you slander a business / organisation, but if you slander an individual, then they can sue. Stand to be corrected.

  On 09/09/2024 at 18:37, Skuit said:

That's just a whole lot of incoherent indignation. Wilson clearly doesn't know the full set of the facts, so is throwing out a load of rehashed questions that have either been previously addressed or don't relate to us. 

The miscommunication between the various health transport services? 

May as well pin that on the MFC as well. 

The misdiagnosis of Petracca’s injury?

Wilson's trying to make it sound like misdiagnosis equals malpractice, rather than an ordinary part of the diagnostic process where a medical practioner will come to an initial conclusion based on the information available at the time. 

The fact that he was taken to the Epworth hospital and waited there for hours?

The reason he was there for hours was because he was being treated, and then his vital indications changed. I think Wilson should be very careful here if she is trying to insinuate sub-standard care at Epworth.

Also, as another reminder, once the paramedics arrived, Petracca was no longer under the care of the MFC medical team, to the extent that we were also no longer privy to any new information. 

Why did he go to the Epworth?

I don't know enough about how the healthcare system works in Victoria to properly respond, but I'm guessing you can't just ask for a patient to be admitted to the emergency trauma ward as a precautionary measure without evidence of significant-enough trauma. I imagine you would be directed to another facility for further checks and monitoring. 

Why was not all the information given to the medicos correct?

This is potentially the most serious allegation. But does she mean we gave the paramedics information contrary to what we knew, or that his condition was not yet known, so 'not correct' in hindsight as to the true extent of his injury?  

There were two ambulances at the ground, but a third one was called?

Wilson raises this point before immediately clarifying that as per protocol the two other ambulances must remain at the ground to cater to the public. What is she even trying to get at? 

She seems to be hinting at something that went down between the various ambulance teams or dispatch. Maybe we assumed one of the ambulances on-site could take him, and as such were delayed in calling another so bear some responsibility if the policy was clear? Otherwise, it's not related to us at all.

If it transpires that anyone in a position of authority at the MFC encouraged Trac back out on the ground despite his own potential, evident, reluctance - then we should be in the gun, and perhaps it will shine a light on an industry-wide attitude. If not, we followed league protocols by all reports: if the protocols need to change, then Wilson can go after the AFL and stop using words like 'negligence' and 'wrongdoing' in relation to our football club thanks. 

Meanwhile, I would encourage the MFC to send her team a friendly reminder about defamation laws, and to be very, very careful about how she chooses her future words. 

 

 

 

She is  basically trying to hold the MFC responsible for the ambulance & hospital process and questioning both the AFL & medical fraternity who have ticked off the process.. 

quote from zero hangar article

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"The AFLPA did not wish to comment when contacted on Tuesday. A source aware of the Petracca issue said while the union could review the matter, it did not have officials powers to investigate under AFL rules."

so, a review that isn't a review.  sounds really wishy washy

why not just get kero to run a review ... oh, she already has ... and the result ... more clicks ... mission accomplished

  On 10/09/2024 at 00:09, titan_uranus said:

No they don’t. They get sued all the time for defamation. 

Yeah, but mostly by rapists, war criminals, dodgy property developers and Queensland judges, who all have mysteriously deep pockets.

I mean, let's be blunt here; we're not in on the Channel 7 gravy train for scumbags, so the costs wouldn't be worth the victory, nevermind the Streisand effect.

  On 09/09/2024 at 23:03, Dingo said:

Why hasn’t the Players Association spoken up on the Joel Smith case?

Good point!!!!

  On 10/09/2024 at 02:20, Little Goffy said:

Yeah, but mostly by rapists, war criminals, dodgy property developers and Queensland judges, who all have mysteriously deep pockets.

I mean, let's be blunt here; we're not in on the Channel 7 gravy train for scumbags, so the costs wouldn't be worth the victory, nevermind the Streisand effect.

When I said “sued” I should have said “claimed against”. Not all of it ends up in court, and not all of that ends up plastered all over the media either. 

But regardless, it’s not the club I’d be concerned about if I were Caro. It’s the MFC doctor individually, who she is borderline alleging was medically negligent, or the other medicos (ambos, hospital docs), or MCG staff (she insinuates there were miscommunications which led to Trac’s condition being worsened).

Brutal exit for Kate??

Voluntary and clean. Kate had met Smith the week prior to her interview with Whateley.

Caro just flies by the seat of her pants. 

So many terrible stories still to come out?

I'm calling it...[censored] and BS artist.

Caro's source revealed ...

 

  On 10/09/2024 at 02:39, pitmaster said:

Brutal exit for Kate??

Voluntary and clean. Kate had met Smith the week prior to her interview with Whateley.

Caro just flies by the seat of her pants. 

So many terrible stories still to come out?

I'm calling it...[censored] and BS artist.

Someone has to be getting Caro, Warner etc to keep pushing this agenda.

  On 10/09/2024 at 02:44, Demonstone said:

Caro's source revealed ...

 

i hope uncle bitters gave you permission to publish that image

Stop Press: Christian Petracca and Brad Green have been sighted having coffee at Bruno & Co in High Street, Armadale proving that the President and the player are talking to each other. 

  On 10/09/2024 at 00:07, ElDiablo14 said:

The thing with journos is that they have free pass to use innuendo, heresay and rumours to spread whatever controversy they want.

Any accountability from their part? 🤐

Very little sadly. The Social Media age has degraded journalism to a gutter profession. 

(Some) Lawyers get a bad wrap for being ambulance chasers, Journalism in the 2020s has taken it to a whole other level. 

  On 10/09/2024 at 03:24, daisycutter said:

i hope uncle bitters gave you permission to publish that image

Your information is incorrect dc !

That is not ( as you cruelly imply) The Manorial small room at all. 
It is the staff’s privy. Grubby beggars!

  On 10/09/2024 at 02:44, Demonstone said:

Caro's source revealed ...

 

Even worse than the worst toilet in Scotland!

  On 10/09/2024 at 04:20, Bitter but optimistic said:

Your information is incorrect dc !

That is not ( as you cruelly imply) The Manorial small room at all. 
It is the staff’s privy. Grubby beggars!

i looks like it should have a heritage listing under the cultural significance category

  On 10/09/2024 at 02:10, daisycutter said:

quote from zero hangar article

so, a review that isn't a review.  sounds really wishy washy

why not just get kero to run a review ... oh, she already has ... and the result ... more clicks ... mission accomplished

Just what all these spot fires need...

Further to my earlier comments about Caro's ill-informed rant, she is either irresponsibly or deliberately ignorant of the facts. It really is quite poor the way the rest of the panel sit there wide-eyed and slack jawed as though she is saying anything revelatory and informative.

For one thing, Caro tries to make it sinister that CP was first taken to the Epworth (the closest hospital to the G). And it is certainly not the fault of the MFC or the hospital that the initial scan did not reveal the extent of CP's injuries. We all know, because we have been paying attention, that it took two scans and then and only then a dash to the trauma unit at the Alfred.

Now Michael Warner is having a go today, and describing MFC as a, and I quote, "****show". He is such a wordsmith isn't he, this trained journalist, such a wordsmith...Clive James must be spinning in his grave with envy. And on the SAME PAGE as Warner, Jon Ralph reports this: "Melbourne's treatment of CP's injury...was given a tick of approval by multiple reviews conducted by the AFL and the AFL Doctors' Association, despite his anger at the club's treatment of his incident.

"The reviews found that while it was regrettable Petracca had been put back on the ground, the actual processes put in place by Melbourne's doctors had not been flawed. (my emphasis)

"The Demons used the AFL's emergency physician at the MCG for a second opinion with the review finding initial consultation in hospital was unable to diagnose his spleen concern.

"AFL Doctors' Association boss, and Gold Coast club doctor Barry Rigby is also an intensive care doctor. "We have looked at Christian's circumstances closely and done a constructive critique on what did nor did not happen. Hindsight is a wonderful gift...but there was an adequate assessment done. The decision in retrospect (to return him to the ground) was the wrong one, but we don't want to criticise the process."

Now that is dealing with facts and findings in contrast to Caro who is all shadow and innuendo. And as for those gormless co panellists, they have no idea.

perhaps if the AFLPA investigate this, they will find MFC has acted completely appropriately and Trac's grievances are unfounded and a case of misunderstanding, and they will be able to communicate that to him and his family so they actually understand.

Christ, people on this forum like to have a sook about the media.

  On 10/09/2024 at 08:41, KozzyCan said:

Christ, people on this forum like to have a sook about the media.

Well,  if their standards were higher than mine when I was 18 at 3am after 11 pints it wouldn't be a problem 

  On 10/09/2024 at 00:01, Adina88 said:

Pretty sure that everything bad this club will experience over the next 6 months will come under the heading 'Christian Petracca' - for all of our sanity, it's time to close this thread down.  

That seems to be the case.
Perhaps we should shorten the title to

CP

Then we could rename it

Consequentia Perennis

Just a pity the Media are more concerned with Carlton not having Curnow next year, instead of Essendon's and Footscray's woes, along with two present coaches still in some hot water over well known stuff, as well as all Clubs in strife for possibly sending concussed players back on the ground.

Other than that it has been a great season ( i think not)

  On 09/09/2024 at 22:32, Jaded No More said:

I have never heard them being taken anywhere else. 
It is the closest private hospital. 
 

Btw it’s up to the paramedics to decide where to take a player. Not up to the club. 

I am unsure if the AFL have a deal with Epworth given its proximity to the G but I cannot remember a case where an AFL player has been taken to a public hospital from a game. Certainly, players land on the ED doorstep if they have an incident at home.

You are correct that the ambo's determine where you go. They know what the wait times are whether a hospital is on bypass and base it on their assessment of the patient's condition and any medical handover. With my last ambulance adventure, the ambos assessed me and asked if I had private insurance and if I have a preference. I suggested the Alfred and thought that wasn't a good idea as it was at capacity and stretched to the limit. They strongly advised a nearby private  hospital which is where I ended up.

  On 10/09/2024 at 00:17, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

...and certainly have no time for the 7% solution.

 

[Look it up]

No shiiit Sherlock. 

  On 10/09/2024 at 12:16, Older demon said:

I am unsure if the AFL have a deal with Epworth given its proximity to the G but I cannot remember a case where an AFL player has been taken to a public hospital from a game. Certainly, players land on the ED doorstep if they have an incident at home.

You are correct that the ambo's determine where you go. They know what the wait times are whether a hospital is on bypass and base it on their assessment of the patient's condition and any medical handover. With my last ambulance adventure, the ambos assessed me and asked if I had private insurance and if I have a preference. I suggested the Alfred and thought that wasn't a good idea as it was at capacity and stretched to the limit. They strongly advised a nearby private  hospital which is where I ended up.

The only time I've ever heard it happening was when I heard Sam Newman talk about his kidney injury in the late 60s. They took him into the rooms and left him on a rub down table where they were going to wait until half time to check on him but when they realised how serious it was he was rushed to the Alfred. 

But that's the only one I can think of and it was over half a century ago.