On 02/08/2024 at 22:20, rolling fog said:

He’s signed to the end of 2026.

We can’t afford to pay him out.

We only have to pay him for 6 months. New rule from last year. 
 

 

6 hours ago, Heart Beats True said:

I’ll ask a genuine question, did any of those coaches, apart from Longmire, get handed a solid list and a strong culture off the back of a succession plan?

Goodwin was handed the reins to a club that was on the up thanks to Paul Roos and some solid recruiting. All of the above coaches (apart from Longmire) came into clubs that were heading south.

You actually think these coaches haven’t been given strong lists? Melbourne fans are delusional about us having this unbeatable list. Our list has been very good, not the most outstanding list though. Hawthorn of 2012-2015 was miles better

36 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

IMO the clear number 1 factor isn't fitness, it's skills. We turn it over far too often across our own half-forward line and get burnt the other way because we're not set up deep defensively. Meanwhile our own poor skills mean that when we take the ball of our opponents we don't generate enough shots and then we don't convert them.

I also think another key factor is our woeful midfield. We concede too much territory from being so poor at stoppage that we're playing too much of the game in our back half and spending too much time and energy defending, leading to more poor kicks out and more turnovers.

The speed and skills are a major issue. For most of the year we've forced a good turnover. Burn all our effort/energy springboarding out in really good shape. Cough it up under minimal pressure and no tickets left to get back. Incredibly energy sapping if getting no reward (and punished) for your rebounding efforts.

That combined with getting smashed at clearance/stoppage gifting so many quick/clean entries to a defence that relies on intercepting has been a recipe for disaster.

Ive resigned myself to 2025 not being much better but 2026 could be ok providing we don't give it all up for Houston.

3 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

You actually think these coaches haven’t been given strong lists? Melbourne fans are delusional about us having this unbeatable list. Our list has been very good, not the most outstanding list though. Hawthorn of 2012-2015 was miles better

We must prioritize a better list supported by a better (creative and adaptable) coach, team of coaches/trainers, player attitudes and skills. Already, it is three years too late. Let us not have a fourth year of expectant misery.

14 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

We only have to pay him for 6 months. New rule from last year. 
 

 

No. We are not AFL supported so full wedge is on the hook.

2 hours ago, binman said:

Number one is fitness. It's an incredibly taxing style of play aerobically and I don't think we have ever got fit enough. The pies have struggled on turnover for the same reason.

Not disagreeing, but two of the main reasons why fitness can be down are:

- missed training/pre-season/matches through injury etc

- younger players who have limited pre-seasons and haven't built up the deep stamina you need at AFL level

There's not too many out there who don't fall into one of those two categories.

1 minute ago, Deemania since 56 said:

We must prioritize a better list supported by a better (creative and adaptable) coach, team of coaches/trainers, player attitudes and skills. Already, it is three years too late. Let us not have a fourth year of expectant misery.

I’m all down for getting a better list and I definitely think our trades recently have been questionable, but that’s not on the coach. 

5 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

You actually think these coaches haven’t been given strong lists? Melbourne fans are delusional about us having this unbeatable list. Our list has been very good, not the most outstanding list though. Hawthorn of 2012-2015 was miles better

Our 2016 list had 9 of our eventual 23 premiership players on it.

Ridiculous to suggest Goodwin took over some sort of Rolls Royce.

20 minutes ago, FearTheBeard said:

We only have to pay him for 6 months. New rule from last year. 
 

 

Wrong.

Just now, titan_uranus said:

Our 2016 list had 9 of our eventual 23 premiership players on it.

Ridiculous to suggest Goodwin took over some sort of Rolls Royce.

Yep. Goody I think is a good head coach, but we need to change up our assistant coaches I think. We need the best tactical coach we can find who can communicate from up in the box. Stafford also has to go, we need a genuine forward coach. Chaplin I’m not sure about, but we have been one of the best defensive sides so would be harsh to move him on but fresh eyes may be needed.

On 02/08/2024 at 23:40, WERRIDEE said:

Geelong changed thier coach and got a flag

Thompson retired as he was "sick of football"

He wasnt sacked.

11 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I’m all down for getting a better list and I definitely think our trades recently have been questionable, but that’s not on the coach. 

I dare say he has a say in it....

3 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

I dare say he has a say in it....

Reckon he does have a say (one of a few) but who has the final say?

It would be interesting to know.

20 minutes ago, HarpenDee said:

The speed and skills are a major issue. For most of the year we've forced a good turnover. Burn all our effort/energy springboarding out in really good shape. Cough it up under minimal pressure and no tickets left to get back. Incredibly energy sapping if getting no reward (and punished) for your rebounding efforts.

That combined with getting smashed at clearance/stoppage gifting so many quick/clean entries to a defence that relies on intercepting has been a recipe for disaster.

Ive resigned myself to 2025 not being much better but 2026 could be ok providing we don't give it all up for Houston.

Speed and Skills work together 

Watch GW$ at The ‘G against us, they were so good at run and spread, which is how we played the Majority of ‘21

2-3 players running, providing coverage for the Ball Carrier 

Where has all that gone….?

9 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Yep. Goody I think is a good head coach, but we need to change up our assistant coaches I think. We need the best tactical coach we can find who can communicate from up in the box. Stafford also has to go, we need a genuine forward coach. Chaplin I’m not sure about, but we have been one of the best defensive sides so would be harsh to move him on but fresh eyes may be needed.

What these last 3 years have shown we keep playing 21 football and it is showing how bad our skills and run are, when they tried to change it the players were unable to implement because of those deficiencies and now we have gone back to 21 football, big changes are needed to improve moving forward.

 

48 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Not disagreeing, but two of the main reasons why fitness can be down are:

- missed training/pre-season/matches through injury etc

- younger players who have limited pre-seasons and haven't built up the deep stamina you need at AFL level

There's not too many out there who don't fall into one of those two categories.

I 100% agree 

In fact I'd say they are the the two key reasons.

Won't stop Selwyn getting some heat but.

Edited August 4, 2024Aug 4 by binman

3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Speed and Skills work together 

Watch GW$ at The ‘G against us, they were so good at run and spread, which is how we played the Majority of ‘21

2-3 players running, providing coverage for the Ball Carrier 

Where has all that gone….?

Speed and skills and we are missing one other ingredient football decision making, we have some but not enough they are to quick to dish off and put other players under pressure. 

18 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

I dare say he has a say in it....

But he isn’t spending his weeks looking at talent around the league. Think he has other priorities 

10 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Speed and skills and we are missing one other ingredient football decision making, we have some but not enough they are to quick to dish off and put other players under pressure. 

Yes, that is a lack of confidence, that’s exactly why you need the running options for cover

29 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Our 2016 list had 9 of our eventual 23 premiership players on it.

Ridiculous to suggest Goodwin took over some sort of Rolls Royce.

That’s such a ridiculous argument.  I mean by 2013 Hawthorn only had 9 of their 2008 premiership list still playing.  It just happened they were all absolute A-graders which is what premiership teams are built around. 

Same with us. It was actually 10 players and included Max, Tracc, Viney, Salem, Brayshaw, and Oliver.  Also Jesse Hogan who turned into May and Sparrow.   That was the core of a premiership list.   Also included Hibberd, Harmes, TMac, and ANB, as well as Joel Smith and Hunt that were injured, and of course Jones.  

Goody had a lot of A-graders and top 10 draft (and top 3) picks to build premiership team with.  

On 02/08/2024 at 22:13, Little Richard said:

I'm not in the 'sack Goody' camp but going out in straight sets two years in a row compounds the issue. I still believe he can turn it around next year, we just need some pizzaz, if you will.

 

On 02/08/2024 at 22:13, praha said:

2022 and 2023 were both bad seasons though. 

Perspective - 14 teams cannot go out in straight sets.

On 03/08/2024 at 19:34, Roost it far said:

Personally I’d love the club to bring in Jason Akermanis as an assistant. Success follows him. 

The guy is an  - - - - hole.

Just now, Queanbeyan Demon said:

The guy is an  - - - - hole.

I’ve seen the reaction to my suggestion. He may well be but there’s no denying he’s an assistant to 4 flags.

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Not disagreeing, but two of the main reasons why fitness can be down are:

- missed training/pre-season/matches through injury etc

- younger players who have limited pre-seasons and haven't built up the deep stamina you need at AFL level

There's not too many out there who don't fall into one of those two categories.

There’s also ‘overtraining’ which may not have happened as a result of this year alone, however the cumulative effect of 3-4 years of the most taxing gameplan could certainly do it.

I have been pretty convinced we have been going about things in a fashion that’s far more difficult than it needs to be.

 

22 hours ago, Monbon said:

And it's all Goody's fault, like, I mean, players have 'chequed out', um, the recruiters are all Orangutans, anti-deluvian, the coaches are all part-time bozos, not to mention so totally incompetents they weren't there at all in 2021, and Viney, Sparrow and Chandler and Oliver are milking the system to build great investment portfolios. Oi Weh, the MFC is mired in duck muck, is all I can say, they are all nincompoopers, and it's got nothing to do wid the luck of the AFL Charlatans, the Draw, or injuries, just plain incompetence. I mean, even noncompoopers win flags, don't they? Like Sheedy and Jeans and even Joyce, and what about Malcolm the Blight...

Sheedy and Blight = footy geniuses.