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The Age Article: 'Enough is Enough' - Simon Goodwin.

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26 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

The admission about Gus’ role at the club not working out was news to me. Very sad, really feel for him.

It was pretty clear given how flat he looked in his one appearance on the bench all those weeks ago. This was just confirmation.

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    13 hours ago, chook fowler said:

    I find this tiresome

    After 50 odd years of following this team and the "we're going to come out hard or our culture is strong talk" tiresome.

    Won 7

    Drew 1

    Lost 14 

    In an era where we've been pretty good.

    Talky talky talky.

    Do it for Jimma, Do it for Troy, do it for Neale, do it for RDB, do it for Gus.

    I'd love to see us destroy them the Pies and Maynard.

    It would be great to even just even beat them by a point.

    I know it's the entertainment industry, but enough with the talk from the team. Close the doors, hunker down and get it right.

    WC and Freo were just not performances of a club displaying a strong culture. 

    Do it for absolutely everyone at the club (as Gus said after the Granny).

    When all is said and done.....

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    who would want to be a head coach?

    Everybody reckons they can do your job better than you.

    Talk don't talk. play this game plan, don't play this gameplan, pick this player, don't pick this player.

    If i was ahead coach i would ignore everything external. Tell everyone to GF and leave me alone to get on with the job.

    Stand or fall by results. everything else is just noise/distraction

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    3 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

    The admission about Gus’ role at the club not working out was news to me. Very sad, really feel for him.

    Wouldn't be surprised if this is having a bigger effect on the group than we think they are a very close group 

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    9 hours ago, Brownie said:

    After 50 odd years of following this team and the "we're going to come out hard or our culture is strong talk" tiresome.

    Won 7

    Drew 1

    Lost 14 

    In an era where we've been pretty good.

    Talky talky talky.

    Do it for Jimma, Do it for Troy, do it for Neale, do it for RDB, do it for Gus.

    I'd love to see us destroy them the Pies and Maynard.

    It would be great to even just even beat them by a point.

    I know it's the entertainment industry, but enough with the talk from the team. Close the doors, hunker down and get it right.

    WC and Freo were just not performances of a club displaying a strong culture. 

    Do it for absolutely everyone at the club (as Gus said after the Granny).

    When all is said and done.....

    Fully agree with this. I guess the club is trying to do the right thing for its supporters and give them reassurance and hope etc .

    But what I find really difficult to deal with is when after some good games like the whole gather round, is the gloating and self congrats.

    We should learn to keep a lid on things. But if we haven't learnt by now , I'm not sure we will.

    I know there are media demands but maybe we should buck the trend and keep silent until a flag is won again.

    I thought we celebrated too much after beating the Crows and power over in S A . Since then the wheels have fallen off.

    The problem with talking the club up after some really poor form is that if we lose against the pies then we have nowhere to go and nothing else to say for other games. Best to say no comment and do any talking on the field.

     

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    10 hours ago, BDA said:

    who would want to be a head coach?

    Everybody reckons they can do your job better than you.

    Talk don't talk. play this game plan, don't play this gameplan, pick this player, don't pick this player.

    If i was ahead coach i would ignore everything external. Tell everyone to GF and leave me alone to get on with the job.

    Stand or fall by results. everything else is just noise/distraction

    Good post. 

    Furthermore, if you do coach in the way you describe, fans will dislike you for not being engaging. You may improve the team but a thread will start on DL "Is BDA the right person for the job" and get thousands of posts. Sponsors will dislike you for not giving their brand more air time. You may make finals but dissatisfied sponsors means an unhappy board. Most significantly, the AFL and media will definitely dislike you for failing to produce content. You will no longer be afforded the privilege to stand or fall by your results and the forces that be will eventually affect the outcome they desire.    

    If people don't like listening to "talk, talk, talk" I suggest you do what I do: don't listen to it. Don't criticise Goodwin for talking, like it or not, he's just performing a requirement of the head coaches role. 

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    1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

    Fully agree with this. I guess the club is trying to do the right thing for its supporters and give them reassurance and hope etc .

    But what I find really difficult to deal with is when after some good games like the whole gather round, is the gloating and self congrats.

    We should learn to keep a lid on things. But if we haven't learnt by now , I'm not sure we will.

    I know there are media demands but maybe we should buck the trend and keep silent until a flag is won again.

    I thought we celebrated too much after beating the Crows and power over in S A . Since then the wheels have fallen off.

    The problem with talking the club up after some really poor form is that if we lose against the pies then we have nowhere to go and nothing else to say for other games. Best to say no comment and do any talking on the field.

     

    This 3x10^8 

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    13 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

    This 3x10^8 

    The new benchmark for agreement, Super? Impressive 🙂

    (p.s. I note '10^8x' might describe you?!😁) 

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    13 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

    The new benchmark for agreement, Super? Impressive 🙂

    (p.s. I note '10^8x' might describe you?!😁) 

    I’m reading The Elegant Universe so this constant is coming up a bit. It seems apt here. 
     

    Your second line I need some assistance with. I suspect a musical timing reference? Awaiting your advice

     

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    On 08/06/2024 at 18:30, Wodjathefirst said:

    Need motivation? Do it for Neale, Gus, Goody, supporters, beating effing Collingwood….. self pride. Take your pick, or mix and match.

    Season defining game

    I thought we were past all that.

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    Good article but I was [censored] about the Grundy question and response. Oh gee we were great for being so brave to try it but gee it didn’t work, I mean what can one do? Well my response if I were Pert would be “we are paying you the big $ make it work!” We gifted this years likely AA ruck to a fellow contender and have left ourselves with basically zero backup for a 32 year old great ruckman. And that doesn’t include our inconceivable decisions not to play him in the finals that probably cost us at least one win. But you know gee it just didn’t come together, let’s move on. 

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    On 08/06/2024 at 18:34, John Crow Batty said:

    Turn off Java script in browser settings. Then you should be able to read article.

    Can this be done on a MacBook Air?

    If not can someone please post a précis?

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    50 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

    I’m reading The Elegant Universe so this constant is coming up a bit. It seems apt here. 
     

    Your second line I need some assistance with. I suspect a musical timing reference? Awaiting your advice

     

    'x' the unknown number, so 10 to the power 8, times x, would definitely be Superunknown! 🙂

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    2 hours ago, monoccular said:

    Can this be done on a MacBook Air?

    If not can someone please post a précis?

    If you use Safari go to safari settings. Scroll down to bottom, click advanced,  then turn off Java Script. After reading article switch back on as many Internet functions won’t work with Java Script off. 

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    On 08/06/2024 at 10:34, John Crow Batty said:

    Turn off Java script in browser settings. Then you should be able to read article.

    Or use 12ft.io which does it for you.

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    On 09/06/2024 at 06:56, The Jackson FIX said:

    The admission about Gus’ role at the club not working out was news to me. Very sad, really feel for him.

     

    On 09/06/2024 at 10:14, Rednblueriseing said:

    Wouldn't be surprised if this is having a bigger effect on the group than we think they are a very close group 

    I suspect that it is - but, sounding trite, they must move on, for all their sakes, especially Gus' or nothing will be gained and they will just stare into an abyss like the supporter base is doing.

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    7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

     

    I suspect that it is - but, sounding trite, they must move on, for all their sakes, especially Gus' or nothing will be gained and they will just stare into an abyss like the supporter base is doing.

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    On 09/06/2024 at 08:25, BDA said:

    who would want to be a head coach?

    Everybody reckons they can do your job better than you.

    Talk don't talk. play this game plan, don't play this gameplan, pick this player, don't pick this player.

    If i was ahead coach i would ignore everything external. Tell everyone to GF and leave me alone to get on with the job.

    Stand or fall by results. everything else is just noise/distraction

    Wayne Bennett is/was very big on this approach, Alan Jeans also.

    Both had a disregard of the media and funnily enough both were ex police.

    Bennett talks of a very small circle of advisors, people that he really trusts.

    At times it might even be a group of one.

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