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PREGAME: Rd 10 vs West Coast

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1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

I would say with Turner and Van Rooyen out it would likely be McAdams and BBB into the team, unless Salem is fit and ready to go

Are you referring to Turners, Van Rooyens, Salem's & BBB's as well as to McAdams ?

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    1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

    yr looking at these numbers in isolation tho

    of those 19 where we scored less than 3, what did the oppo score?

    Ok then let’s go back and see how many quarters we won.  Or won by less than a goal for instance 

    it used to be win 4 goals a quarter on average you win the game . I feel embarrassed unti we kick our first goal because I am not sure we will. 
    against Carlton who scored first in each quarter.    Even the last they got a goal within 30 seconds .

    i just think we need a better strategy going forward and better coaching in that area.

    effort. I hope we win against the eagles, but it’s only hope,

    2 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

    Yeo is not playing. he is 30 with recurring groin issues. They will not risk a 2-3 weeker for a potential season/career ending. They are not challenging for the flag but more blooding the new players. 

    I will be shocked if he plays before the mid round bye. 

     

    WC will finish bottom 4. Bottom 4 teams should be beat by flag contenders comfortably. A comfortable win (in my definition) is 6 goals minimum. Logic is logical. 

    Except there is no way the club would set such a target. No way.

    Sends all sort of wrong messages to the players and breaks the golden rule - respect your opponents.

    Goody will likely do what he always does - set a benchmark score we want to keep them under. That's ot.

    It he wants us to score more heavily than we otherwise would he will simply develop an agressive plan, and specific strategies (eg go fast, play on quickly, take on high risk corridor kicks etc) that if implemented effectively will lead to higher scores.

    And the margin, if there is one, will look after itself.

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    6 minutes ago, binman said:

    Except there is no way the club would set such a target. No way.

    Sends all sort of wrong messages to the players and breaks the golden rule - respect your opponents.

    Goody will likely do what he always does - set a benchmark score we want to keep them under. That's ot.

    It he wants us to score more heavily than we otherwise would he will simply develop an agressive plan, and specific strategies (eg go fast, play on quickly, take on high risk corridor kicks etc) that if implemented effectively will lead to higher scores.

    And the margin, if there is one, will look after itself.

    100%. My statements are purely on the result. There is a process our club must follow. It is deeply rooted in a culture which prides itself of mutual respect and method. These are intangible. If we follow our process and apply our method, then what i said above, applies. 6+ minimum. Whether that result is achieved by limiting them to < 40 points or us kicking higher than our average of 80-90, im not too fussed (although i'd like it to both). 

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    1 minute ago, Gawndy the Great said:

    100%. My statements are purely on the result. There is a process our club must follow. It is deeply rooted in a culture which prides itself of mutual respect and method. These are intangible. If we follow our process and apply our method, then what i said above, applies. 6+ minimum. Whether that result is achieved by limiting them to < 40 points or us kicking higher than our average of 80-90, im not too fussed (although i'd like it to both). 

    Better the former if the goal is four points and as much a percentage boost as possible.

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    If they don’t pick Verral they may pick Thommo to take TMacs role and put TMac up forward and ruck

    Ben Brown in for Turner

    If they do decide to rest Windsor for a game , it could be this week and bring Hunter in.

    They might give Salem one more week too , rather than risk a long flight.

    Koltyn and Mc Adam possible smokies 

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    Out: JvR, Turner

    In: Fullarton, Brown

    Seems the most logical. Unless we want to go small and bring in Tholstrup or Laurie ahead of Brown.

     
    15 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

    If they don’t pick Verral they may pick Thommo to take TMacs role and put TMac up forward and ruck

    Ben Brown in for Turner

    If they do decide to rest Windsor for a game , it could be this week and bring Hunter in.

    They might give Salem one more week too , rather than risk a long flight.

    Koltyn and Mc Adam possible smokies 

    Maybe but I hope not. Having TMac, BBB and Petty in Forward line will not help us ONLY if they mark the pill each time as if it goes to ground all 3 are not the fastest or best ground ball players. Would need the smalls to be at their best.


    37 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    Darling free to play after knocking someone out. 

     

    That's probably fair enough.

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    20 minutes ago, Redleg said:

    That's probably fair enough.

    Interesting that one can push an opponent into a contest at speed and head first, no problem, but get suspended for a weak jumper punch.

    Riiiight...

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    I'm cranky!!

    It's Tommo, not Thommo!! There is no 'h' in his name, so there is no justification for inserting it when shortening his name. 

    And he's been tried before in the ruck and up forward. Both were unmitigated failures. He's unlikely to turn that round at the age of 30!

    And forget about McAdam coming into the side this week. He's not match fit. 

    And don't get me started on Jordon/Jordan!!! 

    I need to reduce the dosage of my angry pills.

     

     

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    7 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

    I'm cranky!!

    It's Tommo, not Thommo!! There is no 'h' in his name, so there is no justification for inserting it when shortening his name. 

    And he's been tried before in the ruck and up forward. Both were unmitigated failures. He's unlikely to turn that round at the age of 30!

    And forget about McAdam coming into the side this week. He's not match fit. 

    And don't get me started on Jordon/Jordan!!! 

    I need to reduce the dosage of my angry pills.

     

     

    You say Tommo, I say Thommo.. 

     

    Potato/pota(r)to

     

    Tomato/toma(r)to

     

    Hakuna matata 

     

    Soz (=sorry) 🤓🤪🥸

     

    Rizzing!! 🤩😳😬

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    Think you'll find the jumper presentation was more in regards to indigenous jumper and not a debut.

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    3 hours ago, M_9 said:

    A Dees fbook site said there was a jumper presentation after training this morning. I guess Fullarton or Verrall.

    Heard Fullerton injury cloud reckon it'd be Verrall, prefer him anyway Fullerton is a tall HFF not a 2nd ruck and lacks intensity.

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    I watched the Casey game versus Carlton, and to be honest, BBB (apart from some unusual poor goal kicking) and Laurie looked too good for VFL, but no-one else stood out as ready for an AFL call up.

    No way did AMW, Tholstrup, Sestan or McAdam produce anything to stimulate interest, but each had moments that showed their wares at VFL level. I will give Tholstrup kudos for his 2nd efforts and intensity. 

    Jefferson did all the right things but has trampoline hands. Hopefully this fixes with development & experience. 

    As for the Carlton AFL game, I have been critical of Billings but he played a very very good 2nd half and finally started to hit (some) targets. Fritsch was weak and half-hearted in the first half but that is rare. Chandler looks proppy. Turner the only real one to drop.

    At this early stage of the week, I would be bringing BBB in for JVR on the basis of injury rumour, Woewodin into the 22, Turner into the sub role (he can play forward or back). 

     

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    2 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

    I watched the Casey game versus Carlton, and to be honest, BBB (apart from some unusual poor goal kicking) and Laurie looked too good for VFL, but no-one else stood out as ready for an AFL call up.

    No way did AMW, Tholstrup, Sestan or McAdam produce anything to stimulate interest, but each had moments that showed their wares at VFL level. I will give Tholstrup kudos for his 2nd efforts and intensity. 

    Jefferson did all the right things but has trampoline hands. Hopefully this fixes with development & experience. 

    As for the Carlton AFL game, I have been critical of Billings but he played a very very good 2nd half and finally started to hit (some) targets. Fritsch was weak and half-hearted in the first half but that is rare. Chandler looks proppy. Turner the only real one to drop.

    At this early stage of the week, I would be bringing BBB in for JVR on the basis of injury rumour, Woewodin into the 22, Turner into the sub role (he can play forward or back). 

     

    Training report said that Disco has a 2-3 week ?calf problem. 

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    Don’t watch enough Casey to know who comes in with Brown. Maybe go smaller in Perth and against the Saints.

    Its not immaterial but the bigger concern is first use, rebounding quickly, and hitting up shorter targets around the 50.

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    10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Think you'll find the jumper presentation was more in regards to indigenous jumper and not a debut.

    Makes sense. Doubt Verrall has family in Melb.  Fullarton family in Qld and he's not an AFL debutant.

    7 hours ago, rpfc said:

    Don’t watch enough Casey to know who comes in with Brown. Maybe go smaller in Perth and against the Saints.

    Its not immaterial but the bigger concern is first use, rebounding quickly, and hitting up shorter targets around the 50.

    rebounding quickly, and hitting up shorter targets around the 50. 👏👍🏻👍🏻

    14 hours ago, Demonland said:

    Darling free to play after knocking someone out. 

     

    Darlings was probably a football action.

    the push on the other hand was deliberate. The AFL needs to apply penalties on the outcome of each report.

    then there is no perceived bias and each player knows if something happens what the result will be .  
     

    intentional or not.

     
    19 minutes ago, 640MD said:

    Darlings was probably a football action.

    the push on the other hand was deliberate. The AFL needs to apply penalties on the outcome of each report.

    then there is no perceived bias and each player knows if something happens what the result will be .  
     

    intentional or not.

    Some problems there ie How do get the collingwood / Carlton  players off at finals time then? Where's the grey zone for the lawyers? Will never fly. 

    While I think that the Dees will win, the Sportsbet odds of $5.10 on WC seem 'over the odds' !! Particularly as the match is being played in Perth.


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