POSTGAME: SF vs Carlton

[Supreme_Demon 3,015]

7 minutes ago, GonetoCA said:

Watching the Giants last night, I couldn't help but wonder what happened with Toby Bedford. Melbourne treated him as a specialist medical sub player, the #1 unused sub in the competition. He heads north, and immediately becomes an elite small forward, applying pressure that we could have sorely used on Friday.

I miss Jesse Hogan. 🥺

Could of used him on Friday night against Carlton.

Our goal kicking was woeful!

Instead, it felt like this.....🙁

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLEnAb54/

Edited September 17, 2023 by Supreme_Demon

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

That's true but I think our forward structure needs fresh eyes. We need to train our forwards to create leading lanes, movement creates space etc

Our fwds know how to do this, but our strategy is fwd half game thus ALL we do is about making that happen. 
 

we kick straight we win BOTH finals EASY!!! It’s that simple.

 

Mcadam a good TM’s tart, all else we need is Yze replacement, Brown/Tommo/Harmes/TMac contracts gone & we can rebuild our war chest to go again.

with those funds we need May replacement in 2024-25, ball users on outside & 1 More contested mark/solid finishing fwd.

 

Do this and we’re good for another 4-6 YEARS yet.

 

As for Gerard Healy, anyone whom doesn’t know — we treated his brother really poorly as captain in his eyes and he’ll always hate us for that. The hate is now less obvious ergo under surface as he often tries to be pro-Melb but as his choke quote highlights, inside he still hates us.

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1 minute ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I miss Jesse Hogan. 🥺

Could of used him on Friday night against Carlton.

Our goal kicking was woeful!

Instead, it felt like this.....🙁

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSLEnAb54/

I’d be having our flag and May over Jesse ANY day, was wrapped for him but we got MAX reward for his value and Freo got nothing for him. We could’ve gotten him back after that and THAT is where we missed boat.

 

How we chose Chandler, Spargo over Bedford was one I’ve never understood, but he was told he’d be behind only Kossie this year, we would’ve played him weekly this year that’s a fact. He just didn’t blv us.

Petty plays this finals we win both by 2-4 goals — no doubts about it.
 

Grundy recruitment was wrong purely based on fact our info re interchange going to 5 was wrong, but I hope we realise we’re better off keeping him than pk22 — I still think we need him. 

[Clintosaurus 6,661]

3 minutes ago, Nudge said:

Grundy recruitment was wrong purely based on fact our info re interchange going to 5 was wrong, but I hope we realise we’re better off keeping him than pk22 — I still think we need him. 

Yep, if 5 on the bench happened Gawndy works beautifully. Wonder if HQ went 4+1 after the trade happened?

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,389]

Round 22 v Carlton:

Carlton kick the first 2 goals of the last quarter at the 28 second mark and the 2 minute mark.

Semi final v Carlton:

Carlton kick the first 2 goals of the last quarter at the 1 and 3 minute marks.

Gee, I thought we may have gone to school on such a costly start to the last quarter of round 22, but not to be….

[beelzebub 22,317]

14 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Round 22 v Carlton:

Carlton kick the first 2 goals of the last quarter at the 28 second mark and the 2 minute mark.

Semi final v Carlton:

Carlton kick the first 2 goals of the last quarter at the 1 and 3 minute marks.

Gee, I thought we may have gone to school on such a costly start to the last quarter of round 22, but not to be….

Probably didn't review........

[Antioch 186]

34 minutes ago, Nudge said:

Our fwds know how to do this, but our strategy is fwd half game thus ALL we do is about making that happen. 
 

we kick straight we win BOTH finals EASY!!! It’s that simple.

 

Mcadam a good TM’s tart, all else we need is Yze replacement, Brown/Tommo/Harmes/TMac contracts gone & we can rebuild our war chest to go again.

with those funds we need May replacement in 2024-25, ball users on outside & 1 More contested mark/solid finishing fwd.

 

Do this and we’re good for another 4-6 YEARS yet.

 

As for Gerard Healy, anyone whom doesn’t know — we treated his brother really poorly as captain in his eyes and he’ll always hate us for that. The hate is now less obvious ergo under surface as he often tries to be pro-Melb but as his choke quote highlights, inside he still hates us.

Would that be the Gerard Healy that abandoned the Demons for the Swans for the big money in 1985 just when we needed him and his playing abilities heading into 1987-1988?

[Fork 'em 6,572]

What a waste of top 4 finish.
So annoyed.

Same ol' mentally weak sheet.
A whole list infected with the yips.


 

Edited September 17, 2023 by Fork 'em

[Dr. Gonzo 22,617]

57 minutes ago, Nudge said:

Our fwds know how to do this, but our strategy is fwd half game thus ALL we do is about making that happen. 
 

we kick straight we win BOTH finals EASY!!! It’s that simple.

 

Mcadam a good TM’s tart, all else we need is Yze replacement, Brown/Tommo/Harmes/TMac contracts gone & we can rebuild our war chest to go again.

with those funds we need May replacement in 2024-25, ball users on outside & 1 More contested mark/solid finishing fwd.

 

Do this and we’re good for another 4-6 YEARS yet.

 

As for Gerard Healy, anyone whom doesn’t know — we treated his brother really poorly as captain in his eyes and he’ll always hate us for that. The hate is now less obvious ergo under surface as he often tries to be pro-Melb but as his choke quote highlights, inside he still hates us.

What did we do to Greg? Shaft him to give the captaincy to Garry Lyon after his knee injury?

[Roost it far 6,240]

We’ll win the Flag next year

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Yep, if 5 on the bench happened Gawndy works beautifully. Wonder if HQ went 4+1 after the trade happened?

I've been thinking that too for a while now.  5 and I dare say a totally different outcome for us and Grundy

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59 minutes ago, Antioch said:

Would that be the Gerard Healy that abandoned the Demons for the Swans for the big money in 1985 just when we needed him and his playing abilities heading into 1987-1988?

Yep

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38 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What did we do to Greg? Shaft him to give the captaincy to Garry Lyon after his knee injury?

Ask Gerard.. 

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4 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Yep, if 5 on the bench happened Gawndy works beautifully. Wonder if HQ went 4+1 after the trade happened?

Why would they do that? Just to thwart Melbourne?

[Dr. Gonzo 22,617]

2 hours ago, Nudge said:

Ask Gerard.. 

You got his number?

[Clintosaurus 6,661]

1 minute ago, Superunknown said:

Why would they do that? Just to thwart Melbourne?

I don't know, but I'm thinking we did the trade expecting it was going to be 5 on the bench. Pretty sure clubs did too then it changed to 4+1.

[titan_uranus 22,749]

I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere already but as expected, the behind the goals vision of the last play from the Lever mark to the Acres goal shows how terrible we were as an entire team (i.e. not just Viney's poor kick).

Rivers is briefly open wide but once he's shut down (Lever rightly taking a bit of time to assess his options), there is no movement short, not a single player tries to get open. We are just waiting for him to dump it long. Despite that, once he does dump it long (and you can see he looks frustrated with his kick for going too far inboard), the defenders don't reset. They ball watch. We also have way too many players up the ground and nowhere near enough in the D50. The switch occurs, and we're light on numbers who are then completely outworked to free up the Acres space.

It's tough to break down one play in the final 90 seconds of a very intense game but we should have been better than this.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/1034289/trsf-dees-collapse-opens-acres-door-giant-killers-do-it-again?videoId=1034289&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1694873897001&tagNames=AppNewsFeed:Yes

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2 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

I don't know, but I'm thinking we did the trade expecting it was going to be 5 on the bench. Pretty sure clubs did too then it changed to 4+1.

Perhaps we expected Max to sacrifice his game more? No strong feelings either way just supposing 

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 2,980]

Just brought myself to watch the replay. Geeez that last kick from Viney was an absolute shocker. On so many levels. He ignored the handball to Trac. That was mistake one. Then had Smith over the top of weitering or Kozzie one on one ahead inside 50, he mongrels the [censored] out of it and puts it on weiterings chest. It really is one of the great clangers of all time. Too much going on in his mind and tried to be too cute. The long ball inside 50 most likely would have resulted in a boundary throw in and time to look it in our forward 50. That loss has to burn for an entire summer. We need to get the forwardline settled and bring a few in and shift some dead wood. Man oh man we blew it for ourselves 

[bing181 8,226]

2 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Too much going on in his mind and tried to be too cute.

Or just exhausted?

 

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6 hours ago, bing181 said:

Or just exhausted?

 

No doubt. Earlier in the game that's a goal our way.

[Rednblueriseing 660]

I am still so upset with our exit we are better than what we showed in both finals, just have to learn to put the game to bed when we had heaps of chances.. unfortunately the best team in the Afl is not going to win the flag imv

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10 hours ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Just brought myself to watch the replay. Geeez that last kick from Viney was an absolute shocker. On so many levels. He ignored the handball to Trac. That was mistake one. Then had Smith over the top of weitering or Kozzie one on one ahead inside 50, he mongrels the [censored] out of it and puts it on weiterings chest. It really is one of the great clangers of all time. Too much going on in his mind and tried to be too cute. The long ball inside 50 most likely would have resulted in a boundary throw in and time to look it in our forward 50. That loss has to burn for an entire summer. We need to get the forwardline settled and bring a few in and shift some dead wood. Man oh man we blew it for ourselves 

Honestly I would have preferred for him to kick the cover off it into the space in the 50 and worse case scenario if it dribbled OOB for deliberate we could have set ourselves defensively while it was still bouncing. 

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17 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Probably didn't review........

What were the learnings??

[YearOfTheDees 3,118]

Lot of these doing the rounds at the moment. Like the GWS one but this ones a little sad.  

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by YearOfTheDees