7 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Just stupidly read some comments on facebook from Pies fans and it’s sickening. To the point where you lose faith in humanity. 

Im not sure i’ll attend another Collingwood V Melb game. 

Collingwood supporters are not considered part of humanity, so no need to lose faith.

On 9/9/2023 at 3:10 PM, Jibroni said:

The problem for Maynard is that while he appears to be applying a smother he left the ground while moving at speed towards another player and it was therefore his own responsibility to not make high contact. I would you use my shoulder as he would protect my face and my body would not be as exposed, as we were taught as juniors.

If Viney had taken out Daicos i will expect the Pies would be shattered and angry to lose an important player in such a way. If Viney went over and spoke to Daicos shortly after the fact showing remorse and had a history of friendship with him then I'd believe that there was no genuine malice in it and 1 week off is sufficient as per this case.

Would you be angry at Viney if he did the same?

mate, you don't get it

it's not an issue of malice or intention to the mro in this case to warrant 3 weeks

it's simply whether it was accidental or careless (another word for reckless)

the mro found it was careless

careless - high contact - severe impact  which carries 3+ weeks suspension (no option of 1 or 2 weeks)

there is no issue on high contact or severe impact so it comes down to just the careless bit

(whether posters think it was deliberate, intentional or malicous is just their opinion and would be hard to prove. the mro has already gone with careless so that is all that is now relevant)

 

Look at the behind the goal footage.

If he was really attempting to smother the ball he would have jumped in line across the kick.

In the end he waved a right hand at it as it went past, he was nowhere near in line with the ball.

He ran directly at Gus.

His attempt was to put pressure on the kicker purely and simply...and he came unstuck.

I wish Kornes and some of the other past players would be just tell the truth and not come up with this football act garbage. It was an old football act to take out your opponent in play and that's yesterdays game thank goodness.

I've played and coached enough to know what he was doing.

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

If it gets to that I don't think we should bother masking it.

Tmac could shave the sides of his head Taxi Driver style and take out Moore and the Daicos brothers.

*I'm not serious about this.

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by chookrat
Added qualifier for distasteful remark

2 minutes ago, rjay said:

Look at the behind the goal footage.

If he was really attempting to smother the ball he would have jumped in line across the kick.

In the end he waved a right hand at it as it went past, he was nowhere near in line with the ball.

He ran directly at Gus.

His attempt was to put pressure on the kicker purely and simply...and he came unstuck.

I wish Kornes and some of the other past players would be just tell the truth and not come up with this football act garbage. It was an old football act to take out your opponent in play and that's yesterdays game thank goodness.

I've played and coached enough to know what he was doing.

Yep and we'll never know the truth as to his intent.  Although, I'm betting a number of his teammates know what the truth is (and probably his coach) Footy is full of lies

But if we were ever to know the truth I'd put my money on malicious intent.  Just a gut feeling combined with life experiences from playing days and observations

Players push the envelope in our sport.  They'll get away with what they can get away with.  Coaches think the same way

Since the 19th century, players and coached alike have taken advantage of the rules

Dirty hits have always been a part of the sport and to me, Maynard found a creative way of taking an opponent out

That was my immediate thought, on the spot.  A mate text me '6 weeks' immediately as he's just as cynical and has played a lot of football

46 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Just stupidly read some comments on facebook from Pies fans and it’s sickening. To the point where you lose faith in humanity. 

Im not sure i’ll attend another Collingwood V Melb game. 

Not a good idea to read their comments. Only gets you riled up.

I didn't attend KB match because I hate being around those disgusting subhumans. I relented and went to the QF. 

 

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yep and we'll never know the truth as to his intent.  Although, I'm betting a number of his teammates know what the truth is (and probably his coach) Footy is full of lies

But if we were ever to know the truth I'd put my money on malicious intent.  Just a gut feeling combined with life experiences from playing days and observations

Players push the envelope in our sport.  They'll get away with what they can get away with.  Coaches think the same way

Since the 19th century, players and coached alike have taken advantage of the rules

Dirty hits have always been a part of the sport and to me, Maynard found a creative way of taking an opponent out

That was my immediate thought, on the spot.  A mate text me '6 weeks' immediately as he's just as cynical and has played a lot of football

I think we've both played enough to have a pretty good idea of what was going on  'Macca'.

The BS coming from former VFL/AFL players grates on me more than a bit.

They know...

5 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think we've both played enough to have a pretty good idea of what was going on  'Macca'.

The BS coming from former VFL/AFL players grates on me more than a bit.

They know...

Yeah, that's the annoying bit and we can only hope their opinions don't carry any weight

But you know what?  If they were compelled to tell the truth, they'd probably reach the same conclusion as many others in that he knew exactly what he was doing

So they all cover up, all at the same time with the same narrative all in the name of their code.  No one ever seems to want to break ranks

Although apparently Brereton & Matthews have both got Maynard as guilty.  Both dished it out (and copped it) in their heyday

1 hour ago, napster said:

Collingwood supporters are not considered part of humanity, so no need to lose faith.

I made a pact after Thursday night that I will never, ever attend another Pies vs Dees game. 

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by jane02

I am still so upset and angry about this. Try living with a Collingwood supporter who believes Maynard is a top bloke who didn’t intentionally go out to hurt anyone and he will get off as he has done nothing wrong. Were all Pies supporters born missing some vital brain cells??

 

39 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think we've both played enough to have a pretty good idea of what was going on  'Macca'.

The BS coming from former VFL/AFL players grates on me more than a bit.

They know...

Haven't watched a game nor listened to any commentary since the game, nor will I ever again. No TV, radio or podcasts. Encourage others to join in. (Besides DL)

Dees on mute on the telly next Friday!

 

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by John Demonic

34 minutes ago, jane02 said:

I am still so upset and angry about this. Try living with a Collingwood supporter who believes Maynard is a top bloke who didn’t intentionally go out to hurt anyone and he will get off as he has done nothing wrong. Were all Pies supporters born missing some vital brain cells??

 

I'm surprised you're even asking Sue!

P.S. you forgot to include 'teeth'.

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

4 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I don’t know about the general public. I think Collingwood people are skewing the media landscape. The Age ran a poll asking people if they thought Maynard had a case to answer and 47% said he did (from over 5k responses). Given the scale of Collingwood’s supporter base, and their level of engagement with current football stories, that tells me that the average punter reckons this is clearly wrong.

The landscape for football also needs to shift in order to create growth - both in audiences and participation. More women, more migrants, and more supporters coming from other sports. Those audiences and players want skill and goals, not concussions. The game is changing. The audience is changing. The media response to this is old fashioned, but don’t mistake it for the public consensus.

They are indeed. You can spot them on every social media platform. They usually start their responses like “I’m not a Collingwood fan but…”

I do manage to stir a fair few of them up so for brief moments of time I am moderately fulfilled. 

4 hours ago, dice said:

Why is Barrett on nickname terms with Maynard anyway?

 

Ugh, this makes me sick. To call a player by his nickname during a lighthearted report is fine; but even if Barrett genuinely believes Maynard did nothing wrong, just the fact a player was rendered unconscious and may be forced to retire prematurely, should be reason enough for Barrett to tread gently. At best he’s inconsiderate, at worst he’s an insensitive pig.

Next time we play collingwood i hope we ‘smother’ we our elbows out and shoulders ready

ITS A FOOTBALL ACT

5 hours ago, jane02 said:

I am still so upset and angry about this. Try living with a Collingwood supporter who believes Maynard is a top bloke who didn’t intentionally go out to hurt anyone and he will get off as he has done nothing wrong. Were all Pies supporters born missing some vital brain cells??

 

Sorry to hear that Jane. But no matter what he thinks Maynard jumped into a contest unable to control his trajectory which is careless and the impact and the head high content are indisputable. The rules are if you jump and bump irrespective of intent you get suspended.

4 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Ugh, this makes me sick. To call a player by his nickname during a lighthearted report is fine; but even if Barrett genuinely believes Maynard did nothing wrong, just the fact a player was rendered unconscious and may be forced to retire prematurely, should be reason enough for Barrett to tread gently. At best he’s inconsiderate, at worst he’s an insensitive pig.

The Collingwood pandering in the media is so disgusting.

Even non-Collingwood people are supporting that thug. All of this smells very rotten.

The bit that really grates me, is the story coming out the Christians wanted to let Maynard off and give Roo weeks. Not sure how true this is but word is thats why Laura Kane stepped in. If true Christian has to go. 

10 hours ago, layzie said:

I've had enough of these people in the media who think they know what they're talking about.

Barrett's not really in the media. Not the independent media anyway. He's just a goose on afl.com.au. A boy's club [censored] and fanboy. Not a real journalist. A propagandist. A (wannabe) provocateur, unlike Kane Cornes who is an actual provocateur. Limp, like old lettuce, that's Barrett.

 

PS: Those who have not seen Offsiders (abc iview) should check it out. Roy Masters nails this issue with one sentence ("could have done more...(but) turned his shoulder" into Brayshaw.

Scroll to 15 minutes in.

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by pitmaster

I wish the board would issue a statement calling the obvious media bias into account then being very direct and forceful with the AFL regarding same. 

I still think Kane’s intervention is a grim portent for Maynard. If he gets off or a very light sentence, the AFL can appeal it, and we should insist we have input into that. 

 

I think everyone thinks we’re the good corporate citizen and have a soft underbelly. It’d be good to disabuse them of that perception

 

I also tnink we need to seed some stories into the media widening the Overton window on this. “Melbourne insiders not authorised to speak on the record claim the club is looking for a 6 month suspension for Maynard given what looks like a deliberate attempt to hurt brayshaw. Etc etc”

Haven't had the chance to read all this thread, so apologies if this is repetitive.

THIS WAS NOT A FOOTBALL ACT.

I've played and coached footy for over 40 years and never once have we practice (trained) to smother a ball like this. Smothers are part of training, but it was two arms across the body as the kick left the boot, not more than two metres afterwards!!!

In fact if player did attempt this "footy act", I would teach them not to, as they'd be as likely to get hit in the face; or sidestepped. Of course presently sidestepping is not a consideration as no-one would expect this "footy act" to actually occur.

Brayshaw had kicked the ball with more than enough time to ensure it could not be impacted by the oncoming player, and under the rules and any normal act of footy that should be the end of it. He or anyone  would not have been expecting any form of contact; particularly contact that amounted to an old fashion shirt-front!!!!

Also if Maynard had of made contact with the ball, then this would have delayed his action to tuck his shoulder in to "protect" himself. Missing the ball by inches doesn't mean you were in the contest, it actually highlights you were never in it and that's as close as you could have gotten - Maynard couldn't have moved any quicker, but if he somehow did, Brayshaw would have just kicked it earlier!!!!!

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by Ungarieboy

The consensus that the: "Winner will be the premiership favourite" to me further adds to the case of it not being a football act. Leaving aside the biomechanics of it all. It was a backpocket/half back with a reputation as an "enforcer" taking out an oppositions "big game" midfielder, knowing that whatever the individual punishment, losing that qualifying final would be the biggest collective hurdle to winning the flag. You'll get downvoted and mocked for saying it amongst the "Neutrals" given many have already decided it was an accidental footy act. [censored] em all, still angry. 

Edited September 10, 20231 yr by John Demonic

8 hours ago, jane02 said:

I am still so upset and angry about this. Try living with a Collingwood supporter who believes Maynard is a top bloke who didn’t intentionally go out to hurt anyone and he will get off as he has done nothing wrong. Were all Pies supporters born missing some vital brain cells??

 

I’m in the same situation however my partner is wise enough to say nothing & also loathes Cox & Ginnivan. However I won’t attend another game unless we’re in the GF with them. And we never go together!! 

8 hours ago, Macca said:

Yep and we'll never know the truth as to his intent.  Although, I'm betting a number of his teammates know what the truth is (and probably his coach) Footy is full of lies

But if we were ever to know the truth I'd put my money on malicious intent.  Just a gut feeling combined with life experiences from playing days and observations

Players push the envelope in our sport.  They'll get away with what they can get away with.  Coaches think the same way

Since the 19th century, players and coached alike have taken advantage of the rules

Dirty hits have always been a part of the sport and to me, Maynard found a creative way of taking an opponent out

That was my immediate thought, on the spot.  A mate text me '6 weeks' immediately as he's just as cynical and has played a lot of football

Of course there was intent..  That's how he rolls.  Not the first dog act by this piece of [censored]...nor likely his last. Hes an opportunistic sniper. Has been for a long while. That's the nature of his id. Compounding the felony is it is acknowledged, accepted and no doubt encouraged by his coach.( the media hounds know it too )

I pointed this our to a Filth brother in law  ( coincidenrly an ex filth player ).who immediately retorted.. its a  just footy... your May is no better !! Lucky it was a family bday evening ... i didnt particularly care for the remark. .   My suggestion to him that that wasn't just footy but the dog act of a [censored] drew derision. 

I further iterated 'we both know where the line exists... we both have crossed it...  i only in retaliation...  if that was you.. you wouldn't be getting up !!" .. sometimes he doesn't know how to take me..  but he knows i dont bluff.

And they wonder why we despise Collingwood.

I feel terrible for Gus. He plays a hard but fair game, as all should. Hope he continues to get the support he requires and deserves. He deserves a far less inglorious way to finish up.

You're a champion Gus.  All the best . There is more than footy... but i know you love it.

 

8 hours ago, Macca said:

Yeah, that's the annoying bit and we can only hope their opinions don't carry any weight

But you know what?  If they were compelled to tell the truth, they'd probably reach the same conclusion as many others in that he knew exactly what he was doing

So they all cover up, all at the same time with the same narrative all in the name of their code.  No one ever seems to want to break ranks

Although apparently Brereton & Matthews have both got Maynard as guilty.  Both dished it out (and copped it) in their heyday

And so has Mick Malthouse. Said he had other options.