POSTGAME: QF vs Collingwood

[Adam The God 29,417]

43 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

My post was actually balanced if you read it. 

I'm just not a fan of the echo chamber you all exist in. Gets boring you know? 

And I'll be back here calling you the Nuffy when Maynard is cleared to play. 

I dislike him as much as anyone, but sense prevails here. Not so much on a Melbourne demons forum post a qualifying final loss. I mean it's no surprise at all that everyone thinks he should get weeks lol. 

No doubt if it were the other way round, you'd all be banging on about how he should be free to play and that he did nothing wrong! 

Good to see that name change backfired on you and you've got it for the year, suits you well! 

No, I think he'll get off. I've already stated that. Just look at Cripps last year. The letter of the law should have seen him cop 3+ weeks, but he gets off and wins a Brownlow.

If we were being balanced, we'd have the rules up and assess that play against those said rules.

Now the grading can either be classed as intentional or careless. Let's say it was careless.  There are then four impact grades. 1) severe impact (high is 3+ matches). 2) high impact (high is 2 matches). 3) medium impact (1 match). 4) low impact (fine).

In what world was that low impact? 

As I say, to the letter of the law, he must cop at least 1 week.

It's all well and good for you to feel something, and you like neggy thoughts and that's lovely, but when you're talking about something that you're clearly not across, there has to be a point where you put your hand and say you've got it wrong.

Maynard should absolutely go for this, and you should absolutely put your hand up and say you're writing twaddle, but neither will happen.

Edited September 7, 2023 by Binmans PA

[Go Lordie 297]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Smith was fine, our only lead-up forward

Stop cutting your wrists, D-D. We weren't thrashed. We almost won. And we're still in it.

[Undeeterred 3,045]

6 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

 

5 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

I heard the umpire's whistle blow twice, which means bring it back

There's too many umpires not knowing what the others are doing

Completely agree. The play had clearly stopped. The TV cameras weren’t even focussed on the ball by that point 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Undeeterred

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

2 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

James Sicily was clearly told otherwise, by the MRO and then the tribunal.

Ahhh but a sling/dump tackle is not a football act anymore is it? And wasn't that what he was ultimately cited for? Even if it is debatable?

[Jjrogan 1,391]

12 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

The point most people are missing in this is that he was in the AIR. 

He won't get weeks due to the fact he was in the air and had no reasonable means to avoid contact unlike someone who has two feet planted on the ground.. 

The intention was the Smother also, not to bump. And his last action was to brace whilst mid air. 

It's vastly different. 

Contact was unavoidable. That much is clear.   He could have used his arms outstretched to brace.   If I pushed you over from behind. In that split second you fall to the floor your mind can make up whether you're going to tuck in your arms and lead with your shoulder into the deck. Or outstretch your arms.  I get it's a contact sport and split second but for sure he can handle that differently

[dazzledavey36 52,884]

2 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

Explain how his intention was to smother when he elected to turn his body and shoulders to hit Brayshaw in the head? You can’t end of story.

Does this not look like a smothering acting to you first?

Certainly does to me...

[Macca 16,643]

Just now, BDA said:

He must have thought Gus was going to head the ball

Yep

As most should know, when you kick the ball, the foot and ball is close to the ground ... nowhere near the head!

I can't believe that this is even a talking point ... as someone else said here, at best it's a poorly disguised attempt at a smother

Put another way ...

When was the last time a player's head was slammed into by a player attempting to smother a kick?

I'd say never

But such is the obvious protection of big name players and all the spin attached, he'll probably get off with KC's involved

 

[Demonsone 1,957]

How will  Goodwin contract extension look if we have  2 seasons of straight sets exits…. 
 

[Neil Crompton 5,311]

 

8 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

The point most people are missing in this is that he was in the AIR. 

He won't get weeks due to the fact he was in the air and had no reasonable means to avoid contact unlike someone who has two feet planted on the ground.. 

The intention was the Smother also, not to bump. And his last action was to brace whilst mid air. 

It's vastly different. 

Agree that he was in the air and couldn't have avoided Gus.

However, he had the duty of care. He could have easily remained front on and lowered his arms onto Gus's shoulders or onto Gus's chest to limit the inevitable impact. Instead, he deliberately chose to turn his shoulder and ram it into Gus's head.  He made a bad choice and deserves to be suspended. I'd give him 6 weeks! 

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

1 minute ago, Jjrogan said:

Contact was unavoidable. That much is clear.   He could have used his arms outstretched to brace.   If I pushed you over from behind. In that split second you fall to the floor your mind can make up whether you're going to tuck in your arms and lead with your shoulder into the deck. Or outstretch your arms.  I get it's a contact sport and split second but for sure he can handle that differently

People it's very simple

Careless High Contact High Impact. Based on the criteria that the AFL has set up for these situations, it is 2 weeks.... simples.

[The heart beats true 17,815]

Don’t feed the Maynard trolls. They revel in their ability to annoy.

[Swooper1987 3,243]

We'll be right.  I reckon we still win the whole thing.  +22 on expected score tonight.  In every way but the most important we won tonight.  We won't go out in straight sets - we'll take whichever of Carlton or Sydney win tomorrow comfortably.

And from there an interstate prelim holds no fears.  As recently as 2020 the side that lost the qualifying final won the flag.  Happened in 2015 as well.  Even the great Brisbane side of 2003 did it that way too. 

On tonight's game, we were fantastic for three quarters.  We played a prime mover down and our accuracy was horrible.  Gawn played a game for the ages.  Most of the others can (and will) play better.  Stay optimistic, the best is still to come.  And it'll be a flag won the hard way and they are always the most cherished!

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

2 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

No, I think he'll get off. I've already stated that. Just look at Cripps last year. The letter of the law should have seen him cop 3+ weeks, but he gets off and wins a Brownlow.

If we were being balanced, we'd have the rules up and assess that play against those said rules.

Now the grading can either be classed as international or careless. Let's say it was cafeless.  There are then four impact grades. 1) severe impact (high is 3+ matches). 2) high impact (high is 2 matches). 3) medium impact (1 match). 4) low impact (fine).

In what world was that low impact? 

As I say, to the letter of the law, he must cop at least 1 week.

It's all well and good for you to feel something, and you like neggy thoughts and that's lovely, but when you're talking about something that you're clearly not across, there has to be a point where you put your hand and say you've got it wrong.

Maynard should absolutely go for this, and you should absolutely put your hand up and say you're writing twaddle, but neither will happen.

I'll let you talk the jargon cobba. 

Maynard will be free to play and should be free to play, taking the emotion out of it. (which oddly enough I can do). 

Carry on.

 

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

2 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

How will  Goodwin contract extension look if we have  2 seasons of straight sets exits…. 
 

5 - 4 in finals after tonight.

Could be 5 - 5 next Friday night.

After we were 5 - 1 in September 2021. 😭

[Rivers Run Red 187]

14 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I spent alot of this game, both during and immediately post, angry and annoyed. However I'm now washed over with a sense of confidence. Cant really explain why.

We should roll whoever we play next week, don't care if it's Carlton or Sydney.

Brisbane and Port at their respective home grounds shouldn't hold fear for our team.

We'll play Collingwood again in the granny and we'll get them when it really matters.

Same, you earn a double chancebfor a reason. There's 4 teams that still have to win a game of footy to be in the same position as we are right now.

Would be nice to be 1 win away,  but we are still only 2 wins away from the big dance.

[praha 11,124]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I dunno, I can't put the blame on Goodwin. This was down to execution. If Fritsch nails those two easy (for him) set shots we win. Pickett misses two easy snaps, Petracca hits the post etc etc

We controlled the game for longer than they did just could not convert. Joel Smith was our most dangerous forward and props to him but that's not gonna win you a flag.

In isolation those are poor misses. The bigger story is we dominate key metrics but get spooked on the big stage. I'm not blaming Goodwin, but we always seem to have the same conversations after these losses. You can't win them all but tonight is up there with our loss last year against them in round 20 I think it was, and the Brisbane SF loss. Just filthy losses that you need to quickly move on from, but also can't because they are such bad games to lose. But we are like the fourth oldest team in the league now and we are badly wasting this opportunity. 

Do we really think Hill, Elliot, McStay and Cox/Cameron, and that spud Micock, are better than Fritsch, JVR, Pickett, ANB... my point being, you don't need a superstar to be winning you games. Collingwood base their game on turnovers and RUN RUN RUN to space. Our gameplan is... hope for a stoppage, hope we win the stoppage, take 2-3 seconds too long so that the opposition ruckman gets back, and then kick a suicide ball to a pack of 12 players. 

We grind teams down, which is great, but we never really looked like winning tonight. Maybe we've peaked but we badly need to open our game up a bit and back in our forwards into space. If we play Carlton next week it is going to be painful to watch. We'll be lucky to score 5 goals.

[BDA 22,288]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Does this not look like a smothering acting to you first?

Certainly does to me...

I have no problem with this part. But why does he turn his shoulder into Gus’s head? Why couldn’t he have just maintain the smothering action?

[Undeeterred 3,045]

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

15 hey? Care to list them because I haven't seen one decent one.

BTW don't attempt to smother isn't a suggestion.

Clearly hyperbole. 

And not smothering is not one that I’ve suggested. 

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

Just now, Swooper1987 said:

We'll be right.  I reckon we still win the whole thing.  +22 on expected score tonight.  In every way but the most important we won tonight.  We won't go out in straight sets - we'll take whichever of Carlton or Sydney win tomorrow comfortably.

And from there an interstate prelim holds no fears.  As recently as 2020 the side that lost the qualifying final won the flag.  Happened in 2015 as well.  Even the great Brisbane side of 2003 did it that way too. 

On tonight's game, we were fantastic for three quarters.  We played a prime mover down and our accuracy was horrible.  Gawn played a game for the ages.  Most of the others can (and will) play better.  Stay optimistic, the best is still to come.  And it'll be a flag won the hard way and they are always the most cherished!

Will Fritsch be Ok in time though? He's clearly hampered by his foot injury.

Can Kozzy be consistent in his performances?

We will be missing JVR at least for one week.

Who else can kick a score?

Petraca maybe... then?

[Gawndy the Great 9,009]

53 minutes ago, Boots and all said:

He jumped forward more than you usually see toward Gus and then turned his shoulder. I think others would have done that very differently. 

That smother attempt looked very unusual to me and it looked like he was trying to make contact with Brayshaw. The media have rolled out the football incident pretty quick so I expect this doesn’t even get cited. 

Was such a bloody let down tonight. Fair to say we outplayed them for most of the night but just couldn’t make it work. 

Im not in the mood to pot players atm but it’s fair to say we really lack composure with the ball and that is really killing us. 

I can’t see us beating Carlton either so a straight sets exit is looming once again. 

[Colm 1,948]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Does this not look like a smothering acting to you first?

Certainly does to me...

Nobody is arguing this action. It’s when he decides to turn his shoulder instead of just blocking with his hands or twisting to avoid serious contact that’s the problem. 

[D4Life 2,405]

1 hour ago, Webber said:

He jumped to smother the ball. It was COMPLETELY justified. That he turned the shoulder rather than holding his hands out and coming front on is something else. He’ll get off though, because they’ll argue lack of time and need to protect himself. JVR will get suspended because his eyes weren’t on the ball, and he raised his elbow. Sad, but true. 

Hunter got suspended for holding his ground!

 

[ElDiablo14 4,933]

2 minutes ago, Rivers Run Red said:

Same, you earn a double chancebfor a reason. There's 4 teams that still have to win a game of footy to be in the same position as we are right now.

Would be nice to be 1 win away,  but we are still only 2 wins away from the big dance.

We said the same last year after Sydney...

[Lord Travis 10,492]

He’s not the reason we lost, but Jack Viney will be disappointed with himself tonight. 0 clearances. 1 tackle. Is that the first game in his career where he hasn’t had a clearance? He’s usually a frothing maniac when the pressure is on. Tonight was a huge let down when we needed leaders to steady us. Hope he has a huge game next week.

[dazzledavey36 52,884]

Just now, BDA said:

I have no problem with this part. But why does he turn his shoulder into Gus’s head? Why couldn’t he have just maintain the smothering action?

If he maintains this position all the way through then it's a straight up head clash between the two.

I think he's tried to brace himself last second the moment he realise he didn't smother ths ball and had forward momentum towards Gus.