PREGAME: Rd 23 vs Hawthorn

[Wodjathefirst 2,653]

What I would like is this. I want the ins and outs for this week (and next) to ensure that we either end up finishing 2nd or 4th in two weeks.
Not particular or fussed what it ends up being. Both equates to home finals and as a bonus I (we) have an opportunity to go to the game.  The best interests of the team align with my best interests.
How is that for being positively self pecuniary and selfish at the same time.
 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Dunstan for Hunter

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by jumbo returns

[Demon17 5,203]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

He doesn’t need to be the Tmac of old. If he can run a game out and compete in the air, that’ll do. 
He understands forward patterns and leading. Assuming his foot injury hasn’t impacted his ability to take a mark or halve an aerial contest. That’s all he needs to do. 
Much like BBB, we just need one of them to find enough juice to play 6 games at ok pace for 120 minutes. 

Totally agree.

He has to come in for the system alone. And he can take a grab. He'll give it his best as well

[Fat Tony 5,262]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Smith is not reliable enough in the backline. He causes panic. We look way better when Hibbo was in there. He totally blanketed Martin. 
Smith is a high impact low possession player with versatility. He’s a perfect sub. 

Carlton kicked 6 goals in the first 3/4 despite our midfield being beaten. The backline was good with Smith and he blanketed the resting ruck with some great spoils due to his closing speed. 

I like Smith better forward but he’s been pigeon holed as a sub due to versatility. 

The perfect sub is our 23rd best player. 

[dazzledavey36 55,347]

Huge loss for the Hawks

 

[SPC 3,551]

Schache and McDonald have zero intensity. Tomlinson would be a better forward option than these two or Grundy at this stage. 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,233]

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Smith is not reliable enough in the backline. He causes panic. We look way better when Hibbo was in there. He totally blanketed Martin. 
Smith is a high impact low possession player with versatility. He’s a perfect sub. 

Its interesting how we all see it differently.

We gave up 20 inside 50s in the first quarter yet a backline with Smith in it repelled them to maintain the damage to one goal. 

We gave up ascendency for the first 8 minutes of the last to Carlton and they kicked 3 goals in a Smithless backline. 

Martin had next to no impact prior to Hibbo's entry into the game.

Not saying Hibberd shouldnt be in the 22 but we defended much better with Smith in the back 6. 

[titan_uranus 25,043]

20 minutes ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Its interesting how we all see it differently.

We gave up 20 inside 50s in the first quarter yet a backline with Smith in it repelled them to maintain the damage to one goal. 

We gave up ascendency for the first 8 minutes of the last to Carlton and they kicked 3 goals in a Smithless backline. 

Martin had next to no impact prior to Hibbo's entry into the game.

Not saying Hibberd shouldnt be in the 22 but we defended much better with Smith in the back 6. 

I think it’s fair to give credit to Smith for being part of the first quarter dam wall, but not at all fair to suggest he would have made a difference in the last quarter burst which was entirely on our midfield for letting them come out the front of stoppage far too easily.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,233]

11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I think it’s fair to give credit to Smith for being part of the first quarter dam wall, but not at all fair to suggest he would have made a difference in the last quarter burst which was entirely on our midfield for letting them come out the front of stoppage far too easily.

Not giving him credit, although I would back him to contest TDK better than Lever did for goal 2. Its more so that I dont recall a single thing he did in the 20 q1 inside 50s that would support him not being a good backline option. 

[M_9 2,091]

1 hour ago, SPC said:

Schache and McDonald have zero intensity. Tomlinson would be a better forward option than these two or Grundy at this stage. 

Agree. Tomlinson today was terrific. Close to, if not, BOG.
Does something neither Schache or TMac do. He gets involved and is effective. 
I’d still have Joel Smith and JvR as key forwards, Max forward when not rucking and Grundy resting on the bench rather than forward. I know that’s ‘expensive’ but I just can’t see anyone else to take the centre bounce. Grundy ok there and around the ground. He just ain’t a forward.

[Diamond Tim 291]

1 hour ago, SPC said:

Schache and McDonald have zero intensity. Tomlinson would be a better forward option than these two or Grundy at this stage. 

100% agree - at least Tommo reads the play well, competes in the air and will provide the smalls with crumbing opportunities.....

[whatwhat say what 22,946]

following the vfl game, i would think...

OUT: jordon, grundy
IN: spargo, tomlinson

smith forward and hibb remains the sub

[Diamond_Jim 12,628]

3 hours ago, BDA said:

Ordinarily I would agree but we don’t have many games left. If he shows something I say bring him in.

This is the reality...

Bring him against Hawks for a win. Next game against the Swans should be a relatively dead rubber for us unless Pies beat Lions.

That's two games to get him up to speed for September. There's really no other choice

[dl4e 5,851]

This talk of Smith either forward or backward is niether here nor there. It is our forward line that matters the most and I think Smith is best placed to replace Petty.

[layzie 33,994]

3 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

What I would like is this. I want the ins and outs for this week (and next) to ensure that we either end up finishing 2nd or 4th in two weeks.
Not particular or fussed what it ends up being. Both equates to home finals and as a bonus I (we) have an opportunity to go to the game.  The best interests of the team align with my best interests.
How is that for being positively self pecuniary and selfish at the same time.
 

Yeah but it's also positively correct.

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

following the vfl game, i would think...

OUT: jordon, grundy
IN: spargo, tomlinson

smith forward and hibb remains the sub

Yep although I worry about Breust. I think Hibbo should come in for him.

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

Wont have to worry about Wingard after today unfortunately for him

Edited August 13, 2023 by david_neitz_is_my_dad

[Wodjathefirst 2,653]

17 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Personally 4th spot is our best option

Agree, but I’d settle for 2nd.

[Young Blood 2,634]

42 minutes ago, dl4e said:

This talk of Smith either forward or backward is niether here nor there. It is our forward line that matters the most and I think Smith is best placed to replace Petty.

This.

Any of the other options (Grundy, McDonald, Brown, Tomlinson) are too slow and unable to get any sort of seperation from their man. They can wrestle and bring the ball to ground but opposition sides simply play a spare or help defender to nullify this as we saw last night with Grundy and previously with Brown.

Smith attacks every contest with genuine speed. His swing up forward resulted us in a more dynamic forward line and crucial mark+goal to keep us in it. He's not a world beater, he doesn't have the greatest footbal IQ and probably won't ever put together a four-quarter performance... But he gives you at least some of what Petty has with his aggression, speed and athletisicm to make a genuine contest in the air, at ground level and defensively pressure wise. He is the best option and they will pull the trigger on it this week.

Out: Grundy, JJ

In: Tomlinson, Spargo

Sub: Tomlinson or Hibberd

I like that we're slowly bringing Hibberd back into the main side. He was pulling up too sore too often and they've done well managing him via VFL and as a sub. He's too important to lose to another injury now hence why I think Tomlinson comes to provide suppor there with Smith moving forward.

Hopefully if we stay healthy, Fritta comes back and Smith will go back to ultimate Super Sub.

Edited August 13, 2023 by Young Blood

[binman 43,762]

47 minutes ago, dl4e said:

This talk of Smith either forward or backward is niether here nor there. It is our forward line that matters the most and I think Smith is best placed to replace Petty.

I'm coming around to this view too.

His acceleration from a standing start is crucial. 

Snap - what young blood said (juts read it)

Edited August 13, 2023 by binman

[Demon17 5,203]

1 hour ago, M_9 said:

Agree. Tomlinson today was terrific. Close to, if not, BOG.
Does something neither Schache or TMac do. He gets involved and is effective. 
I’d still have Joel Smith and JvR as key forwards, Max forward when not rucking and Grundy resting on the bench rather than forward. I know that’s ‘expensive’ but I just can’t see anyone else to take the centre bounce. Grundy ok there and around the ground. He just ain’t a forward.

Agree now that tomlinson did OK today. He was always stiff to be dropped in the first place.

It's now too late on Kingys Premiership runway to try anything new. Tomlinson to 4rd tall defender. Smith forward. Grundy out and small in. Who that for others to nominate. Hibberd in anywhere. Jordan out . Not to return.

[binman 43,762]

7 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

This.

Any of the other options (Grundy, McDonald, Brown, Tomlinson) are too slow and unable to get any sort of seperation from their man. They can wrestle and bring the ball to ground but opposition sides simply play a spare or help defender to nullify this as we saw last night with Grundy and previously with Brown.

Smith attacks every contest with genuine speed. His swing up forward resulted us in a more dynamic forward line and crucial mark+goal to keep us in it. He's not a world beater, he doesn't have the greatest footbal IQ and probably won't ever put together a four-quarter performance... But he gives you at least some of what Petty has with his aggression, speed and athletisicm to make a genuine contest in the air, at ground level and defensively pressure wise. He is the best option and they will pull the trigger on it this week.

Out: Grundy, JJ

In: Tomlinson, Spargo

Sub: Tomlinson or Hibberd

I like that we're slowly bringing Hibberd back into the main side. He was pulling up too sore too often and they've done well managing him via VFL and as a sub. He's too important to lose to another injury now hence why I think Tomlinson comes to provide suppor there with Smith moving forward.

Hopefully if we stay healthy, Fritta comes back and Smith will go back to ultimate Super Sub.

Agree on Smith's footy iq not being brilliant, but it mater less up forward.

Put him up there and tell him to go wild. Run, jump, spoil - and worry about the oppo defender's footy iq

Watching Tmac live today, he has no acceleration. Not surprising given he's coming back from yet another foot injury.

[Roost it far 8,595]

29 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Agree, but I’d settle for 2nd.

Me too but rolling the Pies in the QF will be sweet

[Roost it far 8,595]

18 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree on Smith's footy iq not being brilliant, but it mater less up forward.

Put him up there and tell him to go wild. Run, jump, spoil - and worry about the oppo defender's footy iq

Watching Tmac live today, he has no acceleration. Not surprising given he's coming back from yet another foot injury.

Must play Smith forward and I’m a Tomlinson needs to play back supporter. I think we structure up far better like this. Lever is a floater, Tomlinson can play close and May does what May does. Melksham back as the sub when Fritta plays, Grundy out, JJ out, Hibberd in. That my friend is the Premiership line up

[Young Blood 2,634]

25 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree on Smith's footy iq not being brilliant, but it mater less up forward.

Put him up there and tell him to go wild. Run, jump, spoil - and worry about the oppo defender's footy iq

Watching Tmac live today, he has no acceleration. Not surprising given he's coming back from yet another foot injury.

Yep and like Grundy last night Tmac can basically only really run in straight lines. They can't turn. As soon either of them go past the ball or player there's pretty much no chance of winning it back or at least creating some sort of pressure.

Let Smith, JVR, Melk, Trac, and the smalls create some chaos down there 😈

Edited August 13, 2023 by Young Blood