CASEY: Rd 21 vs Carlton VFL

[Ugottobekidding 915]

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

NO !

yEs!

[Deemania since 56 6,182]

11 hours ago, goodwindees said:

Tomlinson MUST come in as either a tall defender to play on one of their tall forwards, or as a defensive forward on James Sicily.  

The poor form of Casey against Carlton was a revelation, to some extent, and not one from which a great deal of reliance can be extracted for the AFL team. For the AFL team the losses of Petty, Fritta and stability - including further complications in our backline - heralds impending 'game plan' handicaps against teams that have 'worked us out' so change, however subtle, is required once again. 

Tomlinson could be useful to this purpose as a cog in the gear chain.

A couple of years ago, he was played on the wing opposite to Langers, using pace, finding space, attacking aerially, feeding the ball forward to midfield advances when opportunities (limited) presented or into the half-forwards and bringing the ball to the ground.

The kick-outs from full back were one-sided all of the time, by-passing Tomlinson, and the true midfield where opposition teams luxuriated in the predictability of such 'set' intents were consistently under the coverage pump. These days, we make better use of the central corridor. Hopefully, that has increased the role of (Tomlinson's) the outer wing. Bearing in mind that Tomlinson's fitness is excellent, his height and mobility are valuable and his 'space finding' is most probably still very good, we could have an avenue of the double-edged sword in forward progress of the ball to our advantage - at the same time - still using Langers in his roles on the opposite side of the ground, far, wide and longitudinal. 

Our midfield, Clarrie, Tracca on occasion, Sparrow, a defensive forward-moving Rivers, and our elite smalls including Chandler moving forward and across into the forward line (our best current shot at goal), will always take some beating.

The real benefit in my mind is that this may be a time to also release Lever fully into his intercept role - nearly always successful - by adding the 'available' Grundy to the backline mix to work in partnership under instruction from/with May, Hibbo and McVie/Salem, thus adding the needed height factor to the backline and in turn, providing Lever the release to play his best contribution to the annihilation of opposition forward pushes.

Lever's intercepts are one of our greatest assets yet at the moment, he has no reliable passing targets - just a mix of opportunities and good luck. Tomlinson may well play a part in this process from the wing as a key, on-his-own target, additionally releasing Langers on the opposite wing to penetrate further forward more often, more dangerously and negated far less often.  

These are just thoughts, containing process gaps and obvious hurdles, but these may well assist to overcome some ball passage barriers that we are currently experiencing. It might also have some valuable 'mobile-releasing' functions for Gus, Spargo, ANB, JJ, Chandler and the unbeatable Kozzie.

 

Edited August 13, 2023 by Deemania since 56

[spirit of norm smith 13,068]

16 hours ago, Redleg said:

Exactly.

Our whole club is riddled with poor disposal.

17-5 inside F50 our way in last quarter and we kick one goal. 5-6 absolute sitters missed.

Missed passes the whole game and relentless bombing.

 

I agree Redleg.  So many wasted chances on the weekend from MFC and at Casey.  Skills are disappointing.  Forward 50 entries desperately need more work.  Goalkicking needs serious improvement.  Scoring is s as crucial part of the game and we are lacking right now.  

[monoccular 16,205]

41 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The poor form of Casey against Carlton was a revelation, to some extent, and not one from which a great deal of reliance can be extracted for the AFL team. For the AFL team the losses of Petty, Fritta and stability - including further complications in our backline - heralds impending 'game plan' handicaps against teams that have 'worked us out' so change, however subtle, is required once again. 

Tomlinson could be useful to this purpose as a cog in the gear chain.

A couple of years ago, he was played on the wing opposite to Langers, using pace, finding space, attacking aerially, feeding the ball forward to midfield advances when opportunities (limited) presented or into the half-forwards and bringing the ball to the ground.

The kick-outs from full back were one-sided all of the time, by-passing Tomlinson, and the true midfield where opposition teams luxuriated in the predictability of such 'set' intents were consistently under the coverage pump. These days, we make better use of the central corridor. Hopefully, that has increased the role of (Tomlinson's) the outer wing. Bearing in mind that Tomlinson's fitness is excellent, his height and mobility are valuable and his 'space finding' is most probably still very good, we could have an avenue of the double-edged sword in forward progress of the ball to our advantage - at the same time - still using Langers in his roles on the opposite side of the ground, far, wide and longitudinal. 

Our midfield, Clarrie, Tracca on occasion, Sparrow, a defensive forward-moving Rivers, and our elite smalls including Chandler moving forward and across into the forward line (our best current shot at goal), will always take some beating.

The real benefit in my mind is that this may be a time to also release Lever fully into his intercept role - nearly always successful - by adding the 'available' Grundy to the backline mix to work in partnership under instruction from/with May, Hibbo and McVie/Salem, thus adding the needed height factor to the backline and in turn, providing Lever the release to play his best contribution to the annihilation of opposition forward pushes.

Lever's intercepts are one of our greatest assets yet at the moment, he has no reliable passing targets - just a mix of opportunities and good luck. Tomlinson may well play a part in this process from the wing as a key, on-his-own target, additionally releasing Langers on the opposite wing to penetrate further forward more often, more dangerously and negated far less often.  

These are just thoughts, containing process gaps and obvious hurdles, but these may well assist to overcome some ball passage barriers that we are currently experiencing. It might also have some valuable 'mobile-releasing' functions for Gus, Spargo, ANB, JJ, Chandler and the unbeatable Kozzie.

 

mania - interesting thoughts.  
Other than suggesting Grundy as a back man, if I haven’t misinterpreted you. 

[Deemania since 56 6,182]

3 minutes ago, monoccular said:

mania - interesting thoughts.  
Other than suggesting Grundy as a back man, if I haven’t misinterpreted you. 

Yes, don't really like this for Grundy, as well. But he is available and could do a temporary role in this regard - certainly to  discourage opposition forward pushes in his 'zonal' area across differing forward pushes. It could also release May to come further up the ground - even Hibbo - for some more 'heavy' attack on the incoming [censored]. Bringing the ball to ground is another role for Grundy in such an array - as we have so many very good smaller clearance-types in that zone (thinking Hibbo, McVie, Ginger Meggs, Salem) plus an angry Viney providing further discouragement to opposition intent. 

[Kent 2,598]

40 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I agree Redleg.  So many wasted chances on the weekend from MFC and at Casey.  Skills are disappointing.  Forward 50 entries desperately need more work.  Goalkicking needs serious improvement.  Scoring is s as crucial part of the game and we are lacking right now.  

Red Leg I have been concerned at our lack of marking generally this year I means the on ballers have to work harder to gain possessions its areal weakness when you look at the stats. Ohh for a contested marking CHF

[Demonland 65,686]

KICKING WOES by KC From Casey

In a game that was billed as Casey’s last chance to fight its way back into contention for a vital top four place on the VFL ladder with one round left before the finals, the Demons fell short by eight points after a disastrous display in front of goals in the second half against Carlton VFL at Ikon Park on Sunday.

After booting six goals from eight scoring shots to half time to trail by 9 points, Casey’s forward line accuracy fell apart in the second half kicking 3.13 to 4.6 in that period. During the final term, the ball virtually lived in their forward line (inside 50s were 17 to 5 in their favour) they managed one single goal while the Blues scored goals in their only two forays forward in the first twenty minutes of the quarter. The Demons can only blame themselves as they missed several easy shots at goal, hit the post on numerous occasions and made poor decisions in the front half. In addition, the disposal and decision-making going forward also left a lot to be desired. 

Early in the game, Carlton’s small brigade outran the Demons and forced their defence into error with their dominance. It was only through individual efforts that Casey managed to claw its way back into the game. All that was nothing in a wasteful third term that was compounded by the many misses at the end.

Luke Dustan was once again prolific in his ball getting and endeavour towards the ball but not necessarily always in the execution. He had 38 disposals, eight clearances, seven tackles and kicked a goal. Similarly, James Harmes was active with 30 disposals, one more than Bailey Laurie who also had a busy day along with Charlie Spargo (28 touches). Taj Woewodin showed the benefits of his stint at AFL level with 25 touches and seven clearances.

The Demons came into the game at the scene of their 2022 VFL premiership triumph looking for a key forward to cover the loss of Harrison Petty through injury but it was the limited impact of their talls that was their Achilles Heel with limited marks taken up forward despite no lack of opportunity. In his comeback from a long layoff, Tom McDonald managed just one goal, as did youngster Matt Jefferson while the usually accurate Josh Schache  finished with three behinds. Will Verrall battled hard in the ruck and showed a lot of promise for the future with his 17 hit outs.

Matt Buntine was the best of the Casey listed players and Jimmy Munro was his usual indefatigable self. Tom Freeman defended strongly in the second half.

All in all however, it was a disappointing result for the Demons who will rue some narrow defeats late in the season and must now win next week against the Brisbane Lions VFL side if they are to avoid a wild card playoff in a fortnight’s time.

CASEY DEMONS 2.1.13 6.2.38 8.10.58 9.15.69

CARLTON VFL 2.3.15 7.5.47 9.11.65 11.11.77

GOALS

CASEY DEMONS Brown Buntine Dunstan Grey Jefferson Laurie McDonald Spargo White

CARLTON VFL Cahill 4 Ronke 2 Akeui Boyd Crocker Honey McMahon

BEST 

CASEY DEMONS Dunstan Laurie Spargo Tomlinson Woewodin Buntine

CARLTON VFL Binns Boyd Young Cowan Ronke O’Brien

Statistics 

Jed Adams 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 1 tackles 40 dream team points
Kynan Brown 1 goal 1 behind 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 43 dream team points
Matt Buntine 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 9 handballs 19 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 86 dream team points
Luke Dunstan 1 goal 16 kicks 22 handballs 38 disposals 7 marks tackles 149 dream team points
Kyah Farris-White 1 handball 1 disposal 1 tackle 6 hit outs 12 dream team points 
Tom Freeman 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 7 marks 1 tackles 58 dream team points
George Grey 1 goal 1 behind kicks handballs disposals marks tackles dream team points
James Harmes 15 kicks 15 handballs 30 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 82 dream team points
Matt Jefferson 1 goal 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 6 marks 48 dream team points
Bailey Laurie 1 goal 13 kicks 16 handballs 29 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 109 dream team points
Tom McDonald 1 goal 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 9 hit outs 60 dream team points 
Tom McRae 6 kicks 6 handballs 12 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 48 dream team points 
Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 behind 8 kicks 8 handballs 16 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 71 dream team points 
James Munro 1 behind 4 kicks 14 handballs 18 disposals 4 marks 4 tackles 63 dream team points
Josh Schache 3 behinds 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 2 marks 36 dream team points 
Deaykin Smith 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 46 dream team points
Charlie Spargo 1 goal 16  kicks 12 handballs 28 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 105 dream team points
Roan Steele 1 behind 5 kicks 7 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 47 dream team points
Adam Tomlinson 23 kicks 4 handballs 27 disposals 8 marks 2 tackles 104 dream team points 
Kye Turner 4 kicks 1 handballs 5 disposals 14 dream team points
Will Verrall 2 kicks 8 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 17 hit outs 43 dream team points
Mitch White 1 goal 10 kicks 3 handballs 13 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 61 dream team points 
Taj Woewoedin 1 behind 12 kicks 13 handballs 25disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 92 dream team points

[jumbo returns 6,503]

Wth has happened to James Harmes???

[Sydee 3,636]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

KICKING WOES by KC From Casey

In a game that was billed as Casey’s last chance to fight its way back into contention for a vital top four place on the VFL ladder with one round left before the finals, the Demons fell short by eight points after a disastrous display in front of goals in the second half against Carlton VFL at Ikon Park on Sunday.

After booting six goals from eight scoring shots to half time to trail by 9 points, Casey’s forward line accuracy fell apart in the second half kicking 3.13 to 4.6 in that period. During the final term, the ball virtually lived in their forward line (inside 50s were 17 to 5 in their favour) they managed one single goal while the Blues scored goals in their only two forays forward in the first twenty minutes of the quarter. The Demons can only blame themselves as they missed several easy shots at goal, hit the post on numerous occasions and made poor decisions in the front half. In addition, the disposal and decision-making going forward also left a lot to be desired. 

 

Still scratching my head wondering how this game got away.

3.13 doesn't tell the whole story because there were countless other F50 entries that counted for zero with poor decision making or poor skill execution. I gave up counting how many times Casey hit the post I'm guessing it was 6 to 7 times including one ridiculous Kynan Brown miss from a couple of metres out.

It felt a little bit like the AFL match where we simply were not destined to win the game. We achieved nothing from our weekend other than my hate of everything to do with the CFC just being taken up a notch.

 

 

[Cranky Franky 1,493]

I thought our lack of leg speed stuck out like sore thumb.

Apart from Moniz Wakefield the 6 or 7 quickest players were from Carlton.

[Bystander 879]

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

KICKING WOES by KC From Casey

In a game that was billed as Casey’s last chance to fight its way back into contention for a vital top four place on the VFL ladder with one round left before the finals, the Demons fell short by eight points after a disastrous display in front of goals in the second half against Carlton VFL at Ikon Park on Sunday.

After booting six goals from eight scoring shots to half time to trail by 9 points, Casey’s forward line accuracy fell apart in the second half kicking 3.13 to 4.6 in that period. During the final term, the ball virtually lived in their forward line (inside 50s were 17 to 5 in their favour) they managed one single goal while the Blues scored goals in their only two forays forward in the first twenty minutes of the quarter. The Demons can only blame themselves as they missed several easy shots at goal, hit the post on numerous occasions and made poor decisions in the front half. In addition, the disposal and decision-making going forward also left a lot to be desired. 

Early in the game, Carlton’s small brigade outran the Demons and forced their defence into error with their dominance. It was only through individual efforts that Casey managed to claw its way back into the game. All that was nothing in a wasteful third term that was compounded by the many misses at the end.

Luke Dustan was once again prolific in his ball getting and endeavour towards the ball but not necessarily always in the execution. He had 38 disposals, eight clearances, seven tackles and kicked a goal. Similarly, James Harmes was active with 30 disposals, one more than Bailey Laurie who also had a busy day along with Charlie Spargo (28 touches). Taj Woewodin showed the benefits of his stint at AFL level with 25 touches and seven clearances.

The Demons came into the game at the scene of their 2022 VFL premiership triumph looking for a key forward to cover the loss of Harrison Petty through injury but it was the limited impact of their talls that was their Achilles Heel with limited marks taken up forward despite no lack of opportunity. In his comeback from a long layoff, Tom McDonald managed just one goal, as did youngster Matt Jefferson while the usually accurate Josh Schache  finished with three behinds. Will Verrall battled hard in the ruck and showed a lot of promise for the future with his 17 hit outs.

Matt Buntine was the best of the Casey listed players and Jimmy Munro was his usual indefatigable self. Tom Freeman defended strongly in the second half.

All in all however, it was a disappointing result for the Demons who will rue some narrow defeats late in the season and must now win next week against the Brisbane Lions VFL side if they are to avoid a wild card playoff in a fortnight’s time.

CASEY DEMONS 2.1.13 6.2.38 8.10.58 9.15.69

CARLTON VFL 2.3.15 7.5.47 9.11.65 11.11.77

GOALS

CASEY DEMONS Brown Buntine Dunstan Grey Jefferson Laurie McDonald Spargo White

CARLTON VFL Cahill 4 Ronke 2 Akeui Boyd Crocker Honey McMahon

BEST 

CASEY DEMONS Dunstan Laurie Spargo Tomlinson Woewodin Buntine

CARLTON VFL Binns Boyd Young Cowan Ronke O’Brien

Statistics 

Jed Adams 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 4 marks 1 tackles 40 dream team points
Kynan Brown 1 goal 1 behind 5 kicks 3 handballs 8 disposals 1 mark 3 tackles 43 dream team points
Matt Buntine 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 9 handballs 19 disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 86 dream team points
Luke Dunstan 1 goal 16 kicks 22 handballs 38 disposals 7 marks tackles 149 dream team points
Kyah Farris-White 1 handball 1 disposal 1 tackle 6 hit outs 12 dream team points 
Tom Freeman 9 kicks 3 handballs 12 disposals 7 marks 1 tackles 58 dream team points
George Grey 1 goal 1 behind kicks handballs disposals marks tackles dream team points
James Harmes 15 kicks 15 handballs 30 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 82 dream team points
Matt Jefferson 1 goal 6 kicks 3 handballs 9 disposals 6 marks 48 dream team points
Bailey Laurie 1 goal 13 kicks 16 handballs 29 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 109 dream team points
Tom McDonald 1 goal 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 9 hit outs 60 dream team points 
Tom McRae 6 kicks 6 handballs 12 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 48 dream team points 
Andy Moniz-Wakefield 1 behind 8 kicks 8 handballs 16 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 71 dream team points 
James Munro 1 behind 4 kicks 14 handballs 18 disposals 4 marks 4 tackles 63 dream team points
Josh Schache 3 behinds 6 kicks 4 handballs 10 disposals 2 marks 36 dream team points 
Deaykin Smith 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 46 dream team points
Charlie Spargo 1 goal 16  kicks 12 handballs 28 disposals 6 marks 3 tackles 105 dream team points
Roan Steele 1 behind 5 kicks 7 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 47 dream team points
Adam Tomlinson 23 kicks 4 handballs 27 disposals 8 marks 2 tackles 104 dream team points 
Kye Turner 4 kicks 1 handballs 5 disposals 14 dream team points
Will Verrall 2 kicks 8 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 17 hit outs 43 dream team points
Mitch White 1 goal 10 kicks 3 handballs 13 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 61 dream team points 
Taj Woewoedin 1 behind 12 kicks 13 handballs 25disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 92 dream team points

Good write up. No stats for grey other than kicked 1.1.must have had at least 2 kicks ?

[Bystander 879]

Interesting ladder position in VFL, at least to me.

Casey and Bulldogs sit 6 and 7 on ladder on same points, casey 6 ahead on %.

Last game with Bulldogs playing port so should win and Casey playing Brisbane at Casey with at least 1 or 2 players not available due to firsts playing later on sunday.

So if Casey lose and Bulldogs win Casey will slide to 7 on ladder and go into the wildcard draw. Not good.

However, it is far better for Goodwin's crew to have Casey playing so fringe players get a run.

 I remain quietly optimistic about Casey's chances.

[Webber 10,150]

Was at the game yesterday, and Spargo was outstanding with ball and without, huge running efforts and making position, efforts which were often ignored or just bypassed his teammates lack of awareness. Tommo was excellent (as usual). Tmac was horribly short of a run. Struggled to accelerate, get any elevation, and was gassed after moderate efforts. I’d be staggered if he gets anywhere near fit enough for promotion over the next month. 

[Sydee 3,636]

3 minutes ago, Webber said:

Was at the game yesterday, and Spargo was outstanding with ball and without, huge running efforts and making position, efforts which were often ignored or just bypassed his teammates lack of awareness. Tommo was excellent (as usual). Tmac was horribly short of a run. Struggled to accelerate, get any elevation, and was gassed after moderate efforts. I’d be staggered if he gets anywhere near fit enough for promotion over the next month. 

Love Tmac but that was my take as well - hard to see him getting enough fitness back in the time remaining to be a weapon.

[defuture15 847]

Could he play 1/2 reserves and in the seniors?