POSTGAME: Rd 16 vs GWS

[RyanD 290]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Trac has 12 goals 46 this year including misses? that’s very poor. you mind providing a break down of shots, goals, behinds and misses?

It was in the post game on kayo about 15 mins after the game.

In other words, he has had 58 shots at goal, 12 are goals and the remaining 46 are either behinds, out on the full or sprayed totally off the boot out of bounds or didn't make the distance. He is fundamentally hurting out team. 

Edited July 2, 2023 by RyanD

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

34 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Yes, great thinking. We are losing games because we're not connecting up forward. You give the players a rocket and that apparently suddenly means the connection happens, Seriously! What evidence is there of complacency? If anything I think it's the opposite. Everyone's trying so hard but that's creating a cluttered game ansd no space for our forwards to operate in.

I think some tough love is well overdue. None of this mollycoddling cr@p. They are big boys earning big money. If they can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

A good old fashion rocket will have either a good or bad response, but at least it will be a response of some kind.

[DubDee 25,839]

3 minutes ago, RyanD said:

It was in the post game on kayo about 15 mins after the game.

In other words, he has had 58 shots at goal, 12 are goals and the remaining 46 are either behinds, out on the full or sprayed totally off the boot out of bounds or didn't make the distance. He is fundamentally hurting out team. 

good lord that is horrific

[The heart beats true 18,123]

I’m so bored by our media interviews this year. Everyone says ‘we knew this is what we were going to get. Club X are a good team and this kind of game is what we expected from them.’

Goodwin does it every week, which I can understand to an extent, but Gus said the exact same thing today at half time. I feel like this isn’t actually learning to deal with expectation. It’s being reductive of the talent, maturity and experience of our list. It reeks of expecting an opponent to bring something, and doesn’t speak to what we should bring. I can understand it as a strategy to cope with adversity, but does it actually create an adversity bias, where we see greater challenges than those actually in front of us?

I’m not a sports psychologist, but I feel like we are assuming every game is going to be 12 rounds - when we are very capable of killing it with a knockout blow. Take the punch. Make it hurt when you can. Stop underselling the potential.

[DeeZee 7,378]

Strangely enough I still think that come the drier conditions at the back end of the season and finals we will hit our straps, but we are making it bloody hard for ourselves to clinch that top 4 berth we need with our wasteful disposal and inaccurate goal kicking.

My biggest worry right now is Fritsch long term.

Id love to get Woewodin into that side for Harmes and maybe give moniz wakefield a go ahead of Chandler .

Roo comes back for Fritsch

[RyanD 290]

This stat is mind blowing. Please take some time to look at it. Also, my previous comment was slightly wrong.

Since 2022, Petracca has had 115 attempts on goal for 31 goals. LET THAT SINK IT.

 

The bold is the total shots on goals. Top image is 2022, bottom is 2023. First number is total goals. 

Edited July 2, 2023 by RyanD

[BDA 22,743]

I'm disappointed. And resigned to our fate. No Fritsch means no flag.

We're not that good. Our record since midway through last season is bang average. It won't change for the rest of this year. We'll make the 8. Maybe win a final by bludgeoning a team into submission scoring 60 points or so. But that's the limit to our ambitions.

Big summer needed. We need to freshen up the assistant coaching ranks, recruit a key forward somehow and figure out a new forward plan. It's painful watching our bumbling clueless efforts at forward play. 

[Watson11 2,240]

9 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I think some tough love is well overdue. None of this mollycoddling cr@p. They are big boys earning big money. If they can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

A good old fashion rocket will have either a good or bad response, but at least it will be a response of some kind.

Are you talking Goody and the forward coaches or the players? 

[Clintosaurus 7,843]

Think separating the forwards needs a try. I know we kick to packs to minimise turnover and keep it inside 50 but it doesn't result in generally kicking big scores. Also don't press so high. It's why the forward 50 is so clogged. 

We are making it too easy for the oppo to defend.

[picket fence 17,142]

20 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

It's his ball drop he releases it from too high rather than guiding in onto his foot. He needs to really put some serious energy into his set shot routine and kick through the ball, hopefully the brains trust are proactive otherwise he'll keep missing vital chances. I want us to spend more time on our kicking set shots rather than trying bananas from the boundary for fun at ftraining.

This should have been done YEARS AGO,!

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

49 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Effort is not the issue. It hasn’t been since the early days of Paul Roos. Execution and game plan is the issue.

This tells me that the players are trying, just working with a broken system. Coach needs to make changes to game plan or be changed himself. We’ve had the same assistant coaches with no fresh ideas for 3 years now, time for a change.

Keep the status quo if we want to keep accepting mediocrity.

[layzie 33,793]

GWS and Freo beat us playing catenaccio football, soaking in all our attacks and letting us miss before breaking away on the counter attack. If we aren't comfortable capitalising on early opportunities we create then either fix the skills or change the gameplan entirely. I am not impressed with 70+ inside 50s. All that says to me is that when the opposition sees that and then realises they are still in the game it's advantage to them. Like Homer Simpson being beaten for 10 rounds until they get tired.

How do you fix it?

[IRW 1,387]

What a lot of negative Nellie's   ..they beat the Pies nearly beat Port and a few more minutes they would have got past the Lions

Dead set flag favourites imo

Goody clearly has a very cunning plan he got from Baldrick or maybe its the one about  about doing exactly the same thing they've done every week because surely no one would anticipate that.!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Just now, picket fence said:

This should have been done YEARS AGO,!

100%.... Crazy that he still has this flaw after so much time in the system

[picket fence 17,142]

3 minutes ago, BDA said:

I'm disappointed. And resigned to our fate. No Fritsch means no flag.

We're not that good. Our record since midway through last season is bang average. It won't change for the rest of this year. We'll make the 8. Maybe win a final by bludgeoning a team into submission scoring 60 points or so. But that's the limit to our ambitions.

Big summer needed. We need to freshen up the assistant coaching ranks, recruit a key forward somehow and figure out a new forward plan. It's painful watching our bumbling clueless efforts at forward play. 

No, we need a new coach with New Ideas IMV

2 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Are you talking Goody and the forward coaches or the players? 

Both!

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

3 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Are you talking Goody and the forward coaches or the players? 

All 3.

[frankie_d 1,471]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

He's a very good player and a Norm Smith medalist but his lack of goal scoring stops him from being a great of the game. It's always been an issue for him unfortunately. Seems to rush sometimes.

He is a very good player, and we owe him plenty. 

He's not Dusty Martin - who would have kicked one or more of those goals (not just "those goals" this week...)

I don't know what the answer is.

 

[DeeSpencer 25,678]

The ball movement all over the ground is just trash.

Obviously it would help if we had a pair of mature key forwards and a healthy Fritsch but it doesn’t matter who’s up there when the supply is just consistently awful because so few of the players have the ability to move the ball.

Our backline did a mighty job with clean hands avoiding the Giants pressure but apart from a short period of the first quarter and third then couldn’t get the ball through the corridor.

Our midfield just lacks any penetration that isn’t Viney or Tracc from a stoppage. The entire midfield kick either 45m up and unders or 30m around the corner up and unders. No short kick, no powerful long kicking either.

And we all know the forwards are a mess to kick to but when they do get it at half forwards it’s so rarely streaming long with any useful options. And the few times it was we had ANB or Pickett stuff it up anyway.

Its deplorable just how bad the basic skills and decision making are. And how far they’ve dropped off given pretty much the same side in 2021 at least had the basic skills to dish a handball and balance up and hit a target 

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

10 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Think separating the forwards needs a try. I know we kick to packs to minimise turnover and keep it inside 50 but it doesn't result in generally kicking big scores. Also don't press so high. It's why the forward 50 is so clogged. 

We are making it too easy for the oppo to defend.

Yep, we would have to have the most congested forward line in the comp. Crowded, no movement and when our small forwards get it they’ve got no room to do anything. 
Gawn/Grundy are just clogging it up, get them back out onto the wing so the opposition has to kick it to them or around them to get out and make some space for the forwards. 

[beelzebub 23,348]

1 hour ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

It’s a tough industry 

 

if you don’t execute you get punished

 

we didn’t execute today

 

we will learn from it

No we won't... how many times ffs.

This is woeful footy...not even footy....just woeful. 

We learn Jack !!

An AFL game isnt where the learning is... on the whiteboard, at the reviews, on the track.. practice games...   thats where you learn

Games for 4pts is where you execute.. where you Do. 

Not us apparently 

Embarrassing to watch.

 

[DeeMee 873]

Watching a sport shouldn’t be this painful. Think I’m too invested in the Dees and have been for decades. Losses like this hurt too much.

[DeeSpencer 25,678]

49 minutes ago, A F said:

Fatigue is a factor, no doubt. You can stick your head in the sand all you like, it won't change that fact. However, as Goody said in last press conference, we need to be better. We need to execute basic set shots and snaps. The other contenders are getting it down under duress as well, and we're not.

It’s mental fatigue. The longer you control games and can’t finish with any rhythm or skill the more the pressure builds and you see guys make even stranger decisions or more basic mistakes.

Plus you can’t play perfect defensive footy for 120 minutes every week. 

Josh Kelly rolled the dice staying a mile forward of the ball, the play slipped out to him and he won the game. 

It was our only mistake apart from the 5 minute patch in the 3rd and it was the ball game.

We have to take a step backwards in playing such a defensive system and picking such a defensive side to get a mental refresh by playing the game with some freedom. 

[Roger Mellie 4,012]

Watching the game last week against Geelong, I thought Geelong's pressure was implied. It was there but not fierce until the last quarter. The more the game progressed, the more I thought it was deliberate/planned by Scott - just keep the pressure up and watch them run themselves into the ground.  As it turned out, we expended a ridiculous amount of energy for little reward and Geelong easily ran over the top of us when they turned up the heat in the last. Today, in the first three quarters we were again winning everywhere but on the scoreboard. We expended the same stupendous amount of energy for even less reward. We put ourselves under absurd pressure and got absolutely nowhere. GWS applied plenty more pressure than Geelong today, but I'm not sure we noticed as we were too busy running around in circles.

[Adam The God 30,220]

Calls for Hardwick to replace Goodwin are the height of nuffiness.

[CHF 2,736]

Lost that game at selection and with inaccurate kicking for goal. 
 

I will get kicked for this but I would drop either Gawn or Grundy and bring in JVR to play a Jackson like role.

drop Chandler and Pickett and look to get more running rotations into the midfield/forwards. Give Brown another run at it as I thought hi was not bad given the conditions.

we need to do something different to what we have been doing for the last six weeks. It should not take our coaching team his long to react.