Jump to content

Featured Replies

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Trac has 12 goals 46 this year including misses? that’s very poor. you mind providing a break down of shots, goals, behinds and misses?

It was in the post game on kayo about 15 mins after the game.

In other words, he has had 58 shots at goal, 12 are goals and the remaining 46 are either behinds, out on the full or sprayed totally off the boot out of bounds or didn't make the distance. He is fundamentally hurting out team. 

Edited by RyanD

 
34 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Yes, great thinking. We are losing games because we're not connecting up forward. You give the players a rocket and that apparently suddenly means the connection happens, Seriously! What evidence is there of complacency? If anything I think it's the opposite. Everyone's trying so hard but that's creating a cluttered game ansd no space for our forwards to operate in.

I think some tough love is well overdue. None of this mollycoddling cr@p. They are big boys earning big money. If they can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

A good old fashion rocket will have either a good or bad response, but at least it will be a response of some kind.

3 minutes ago, RyanD said:

It was in the post game on kayo about 15 mins after the game.

In other words, he has had 58 shots at goal, 12 are goals and the remaining 46 are either behinds, out on the full or sprayed totally off the boot out of bounds or didn't make the distance. He is fundamentally hurting out team. 

good lord that is horrific

 

I’m so bored by our media interviews this year. Everyone says ‘we knew this is what we were going to get. Club X are a good team and this kind of game is what we expected from them.’

Goodwin does it every week, which I can understand to an extent, but Gus said the exact same thing today at half time. I feel like this isn’t actually learning to deal with expectation. It’s being reductive of the talent, maturity and experience of our list. It reeks of expecting an opponent to bring something, and doesn’t speak to what we should bring. I can understand it as a strategy to cope with adversity, but does it actually create an adversity bias, where we see greater challenges than those actually in front of us?

I’m not a sports psychologist, but I feel like we are assuming every game is going to be 12 rounds - when we are very capable of killing it with a knockout blow. Take the punch. Make it hurt when you can. Stop underselling the potential.

Strangely enough I still think that come the drier conditions at the back end of the season and finals we will hit our straps, but we are making it bloody hard for ourselves to clinch that top 4 berth we need with our wasteful disposal and inaccurate goal kicking.

My biggest worry right now is Fritsch long term.

Id love to get Woewodin into that side for Harmes and maybe give moniz wakefield a go ahead of Chandler .

Roo comes back for Fritsch


This stat is mind blowing. Please take some time to look at it. Also, my previous comment was slightly wrong.

Since 2022, Petracca has had 115 attempts on goal for 31 goals. LET THAT SINK IT.

 

The bold is the total shots on goals. Top image is 2022, bottom is 2023. First number is total goals. 

Screenshot 2023-07-02 at 7.53.52 pm.png

Edited by RyanD

I'm disappointed. And resigned to our fate. No Fritsch means no flag.

We're not that good. Our record since midway through last season is bang average. It won't change for the rest of this year. We'll make the 8. Maybe win a final by bludgeoning a team into submission scoring 60 points or so. But that's the limit to our ambitions.

Big summer needed. We need to freshen up the assistant coaching ranks, recruit a key forward somehow and figure out a new forward plan. It's painful watching our bumbling clueless efforts at forward play. 

9 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

I think some tough love is well overdue. None of this mollycoddling cr@p. They are big boys earning big money. If they can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

A good old fashion rocket will have either a good or bad response, but at least it will be a response of some kind.

Are you talking Goody and the forward coaches or the players? 

 

Think separating the forwards needs a try. I know we kick to packs to minimise turnover and keep it inside 50 but it doesn't result in generally kicking big scores. Also don't press so high. It's why the forward 50 is so clogged. 

We are making it too easy for the oppo to defend.

20 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

It's his ball drop he releases it from too high rather than guiding in onto his foot. He needs to really put some serious energy into his set shot routine and kick through the ball, hopefully the brains trust are proactive otherwise he'll keep missing vital chances. I want us to spend more time on our kicking set shots rather than trying bananas from the boundary for fun at ftraining.

This should have been done YEARS AGO,!


49 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:


Effort is not the issue. It hasn’t been since the early days of Paul Roos. Execution and game plan is the issue.

This tells me that the players are trying, just working with a broken system. Coach needs to make changes to game plan or be changed himself. We’ve had the same assistant coaches with no fresh ideas for 3 years now, time for a change.

Keep the status quo if we want to keep accepting mediocrity.

GWS and Freo beat us playing catenaccio football, soaking in all our attacks and letting us miss before breaking away on the counter attack. If we aren't comfortable capitalising on early opportunities we create then either fix the skills or change the gameplan entirely. I am not impressed with 70+ inside 50s. All that says to me is that when the opposition sees that and then realises they are still in the game it's advantage to them. Like Homer Simpson being beaten for 10 rounds until they get tired.

How do you fix it?

What a lot of negative Nellie's   ..they beat the Pies nearly beat Port and a few more minutes they would have got past the Lions

Dead set flag favourites imo

Goody clearly has a very cunning plan he got from Baldrick or maybe its the one about  about doing exactly the same thing they've done every week because surely no one would anticipate that.!

Just now, picket fence said:

This should have been done YEARS AGO,!

100%.... Crazy that he still has this flaw after so much time in the system

3 minutes ago, BDA said:

I'm disappointed. And resigned to our fate. No Fritsch means no flag.

We're not that good. Our record since midway through last season is bang average. It won't change for the rest of this year. We'll make the 8. Maybe win a final by bludgeoning a team into submission scoring 60 points or so. But that's the limit to our ambitions.

Big summer needed. We need to freshen up the assistant coaching ranks, recruit a key forward somehow and figure out a new forward plan. It's painful watching our bumbling clueless efforts at forward play. 

No, we need a new coach with New Ideas IMV

2 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Are you talking Goody and the forward coaches or the players? 

Both!


1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

He's a very good player and a Norm Smith medalist but his lack of goal scoring stops him from being a great of the game. It's always been an issue for him unfortunately. Seems to rush sometimes.

He is a very good player, and we owe him plenty. 

He's not Dusty Martin - who would have kicked one or more of those goals (not just "those goals" this week...)

I don't know what the answer is.

 

The ball movement all over the ground is just trash.

Obviously it would help if we had a pair of mature key forwards and a healthy Fritsch but it doesn’t matter who’s up there when the supply is just consistently awful because so few of the players have the ability to move the ball.

Our backline did a mighty job with clean hands avoiding the Giants pressure but apart from a short period of the first quarter and third then couldn’t get the ball through the corridor.

Our midfield just lacks any penetration that isn’t Viney or Tracc from a stoppage. The entire midfield kick either 45m up and unders or 30m around the corner up and unders. No short kick, no powerful long kicking either.

And we all know the forwards are a mess to kick to but when they do get it at half forwards it’s so rarely streaming long with any useful options. And the few times it was we had ANB or Pickett stuff it up anyway.

Its deplorable just how bad the basic skills and decision making are. And how far they’ve dropped off given pretty much the same side in 2021 at least had the basic skills to dish a handball and balance up and hit a target 

10 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Think separating the forwards needs a try. I know we kick to packs to minimise turnover and keep it inside 50 but it doesn't result in generally kicking big scores. Also don't press so high. It's why the forward 50 is so clogged. 

We are making it too easy for the oppo to defend.

Yep, we would have to have the most congested forward line in the comp. Crowded, no movement and when our small forwards get it they’ve got no room to do anything. 
Gawn/Grundy are just clogging it up, get them back out onto the wing so the opposition has to kick it to them or around them to get out and make some space for the forwards. 

1 hour ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

It’s a tough industry 

 

if you don’t execute you get punished

 

we didn’t execute today

 

we will learn from it

No we won't... how many times ffs.

This is woeful footy...not even footy....just woeful. 

We learn Jack !!

An AFL game isnt where the learning is... on the whiteboard, at the reviews, on the track.. practice games...   thats where you learn

Games for 4pts is where you execute.. where you Do. 

Not us apparently 

Embarrassing to watch.

 


Watching a sport shouldn’t be this painful. Think I’m too invested in the Dees and have been for decades. Losses like this hurt too much.

49 minutes ago, A F said:

Fatigue is a factor, no doubt. You can stick your head in the sand all you like, it won't change that fact. However, as Goody said in last press conference, we need to be better. We need to execute basic set shots and snaps. The other contenders are getting it down under duress as well, and we're not.

It’s mental fatigue. The longer you control games and can’t finish with any rhythm or skill the more the pressure builds and you see guys make even stranger decisions or more basic mistakes.

Plus you can’t play perfect defensive footy for 120 minutes every week. 

Josh Kelly rolled the dice staying a mile forward of the ball, the play slipped out to him and he won the game. 

It was our only mistake apart from the 5 minute patch in the 3rd and it was the ball game.

We have to take a step backwards in playing such a defensive system and picking such a defensive side to get a mental refresh by playing the game with some freedom. 

Watching the game last week against Geelong, I thought Geelong's pressure was implied. It was there but not fierce until the last quarter. The more the game progressed, the more I thought it was deliberate/planned by Scott - just keep the pressure up and watch them run themselves into the ground.  As it turned out, we expended a ridiculous amount of energy for little reward and Geelong easily ran over the top of us when they turned up the heat in the last. Today, in the first three quarters we were again winning everywhere but on the scoreboard. We expended the same stupendous amount of energy for even less reward. We put ourselves under absurd pressure and got absolutely nowhere. GWS applied plenty more pressure than Geelong today, but I'm not sure we noticed as we were too busy running around in circles.

 

Calls for Hardwick to replace Goodwin are the height of nuffiness.

Lost that game at selection and with inaccurate kicking for goal. 
 

I will get kicked for this but I would drop either Gawn or Grundy and bring in JVR to play a Jackson like role.

drop Chandler and Pickett and look to get more running rotations into the midfield/forwards. Give Brown another run at it as I thought hi was not bad given the conditions.

we need to do something different to what we have been doing for the last six weeks. It should not take our coaching team his long to react.


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • CASEY: Collingwood

    It was freezing cold at Mission Whitten Stadium where only the brave came out in the rain to watch a game that turned out to be as miserable as the weather.
    The Casey Demons secured their third consecutive victory, earning the four premiership points and credit for defeating a highly regarded Collingwood side, but achieved little else. Apart perhaps from setting the scene for Monday’s big game at the MCG and the Ice Challenge that precedes it.
    Neither team showcased significant skill in the bleak and greasy conditions, at a location that was far from either’s home territory. Even the field umpires forgot where they were and experienced a challenging evening, but no further comment is necessary.

    • 4 replies
  • NON-MFC: Round 13

    Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

    • 216 replies
  • PREVIEW: Collingwood

    Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

    • 1 reply
  • CASEY: Sydney

    The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

    • 1 reply
  • REPORT: St. Kilda

    Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
    This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

    • 4 replies
  • PREGAME: Collingwood

    After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

    • 528 replies