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PREGAME: Rd 13 vs Collingwood


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10 minutes ago, IRW said:

Especially when coach clumsy insults them pre game

Geez ..

Coz that’s gonna determine the outcome of the match, right? 

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4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

If we win by dragging them in to a defensive battle my opinion won’t have changed.

If there’s flare, risk and the forward line functions I’ll re-asses.

Carlton game was a step in the right direction in terms of our use from half back but our forwards were still a mess and the midfield didn’t exactly link up like a well oiled machine either. 

Oh please, what a load of rot.

The game is two days away and you're already putting caveats on a dees' win.

We win by being brillant defensively, but too defensive for your liking and so there is still 'a clear gap in the capabilities of the sides'.

Sheesh.

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

I sit somewhere between your view and the views you're arguing against.

IMO Collingwood are the best team in it because of their intangible belief and ability to win when things aren't going their way. They have lost four games in a year and two of those were close games (the two finals).

But I also believe that their belief isn't always enough to overcome deficiencies in their game which, if we play to our best, we can exploit (as can others). And the gap isn't as big as others argue - if we win, we'll both have the same record against the top 4 (1-2).

Good points, well made.

They def have a, deserved, psychological edge with their record in final quarters.

And part of that is everyone - fans, media and opposition teams - all think they'll run over teams in the last quarter.

We had a similar psychological edge in the first half of last season in terms of opposition teams struggle to penetrate our incredible defence.

But once teams started opening us up with fast ball movement, thst aura disappeared.

Same thing will happen to the pies one they inevitably lose a couple of close one.

But don't get me wrong, I think the pies are a really, really good team.

I also think we are too.

 

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3 hours ago, binman said:

A great side?

Maybe it's a semantic thing.

They are a very good team. And def a flag contender. 

But a GREAT side?

Not by my defintion of what a great side is.

A great side does not have their 2022 finals record.

They lost 2 of 3 finals last season for pete's sake - their first finals appearance in years.

They didn't even make the grand final, let alone win it.

We won the flag in 2021, having completely dominated the finals series, playing some of the most dominant finals footy ever.

I don't recall many posters or pundits calling us a great team after winning our first 10 games straight in 2022. In fact, papering over cracks was a more common phrase used on here.

But the pies, coming of a very disappointing 2022 finals series, and on the back of being 11-1, aided by the gift of 7 games at the G, are a GREAT team?

Give me a spell.

Fair dinkum, they are very good, I'm not arguing with that, but how about we wait till they actually achieve something before collectively anointing  them as some juggernaut, generational team. 

The most over rated team I can ever remember.

My god you are setting yourself up for an awful Monday. 

I am all for semantical bloviating but they are good, we are also good, but we are working through bigger issues than they are with our general connection and forward delivery. 

Blow the siren.

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2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

So sorry to hear that.

Daicos boys should rest in bed to get better, for the next few days and watch the game on TV. Wish them a speedy recovery Tuesday.

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TBH, I never understand this view of some, that they are only happy if you beat a side at its best.

I just want wins.

Who gives a rats’ who is in or out, if you win?

Do we go back and examine premierships to see who was in and out of the losing side?

Get the wins, make the GF and win it.

The rest of it is just hot air.

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11 minutes ago, rpfc said:

My god you are setting yourself up for an awful Monday. 

I am all for semantical bloviating but they are good, we are also good, but we are working through bigger issues than they are with our general connection and forward delivery. 

Blow the siren.

No I'm not at all.

Because I don't see this game as some litmus test. 

And I don't buy into the weekly pretender or contender bull dust.

Take the lion's loss. Doesn't change my rating of the lion's chances of winning the flag one iota.

 I believe goody and Lever when they say it's all about being in our best shape come finals. Not now.

If we win, well great.

If we lose, unless we get demolished, my confidence in winning the flag will be undiminished. 

And it's a nonsense that we are 'working through bigger issues than they are with our general connection and forward delivery'

How can that  possibly be true when we have now had almost exactly the same fixture in terms of difficulty of opponent, have had a much togher fixturr with travel aand breaks (after Monday, the pies will have played 8 of their 13 games at the G), have lost three more games, yet STILL outscored the pies?

Maybe it is tbe 'eye test' i have heard footy media trot out (as of their perception trumps the objective fact of the ladder)?

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8 minutes ago, binman said:

No I'm not at all.

Because I don't see this game as some litmus test. 

And I don't buy into the weekly pretender or contender bull dust.

Take the lion's loss. Doesn't change my rating of the lion's chances of winning the flag one iota.

 I believe goody and Lever when they say it's all about being in our best shape come finals. Not now.

If we win, well great.

If we lose, unless we get demolished, my confidence in winning the flag will be undiminished. 

And it's a nonsense that we are 'working through bigger issues than they are with our general connection and forward delivery'

How can that  possibly be true when we have now had almost exactly the same fixture in terms of difficulty of opponent, have had a much togher fixturr with travel aand breaks (after Monday, the pies will have played 8 of their 13 games at the G), have lost three more games, yet STILL outscored the pies?

Maybe it is tbe 'eye test' i have heard footy media trot out (as of their perception trumps the objective fact of the ladder)?

They are 11 and 1…

Also, the Lions loss to the Hawks doesn’t change their outlook ‘one iota’??

The don’t make iotas like they used to. They need to win games like that against the worst teams at that venue. Simple as that. 

Collingwood aren’t unbeatable but they just win at the minute, and that’s all that matters.

If we are to beat them we have to be near perfect defensively and effective going forward.

Bounce that pill.

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1 minute ago, The heart beats true said:

And Disco Turner?

Thinking Joel Smith would be a Casey starter if BBB was playing ones...and Thommo in the two's if Disco was bumped up.......

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1 minute ago, Diamond Tim said:

Thinking Joel Smith would be a Casey starter if BBB was playing ones...and Thommo in the two's if Disco was bumped up.......

Turner out with groin injury. Smith could be sub. 

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No doubt pies playing well but their last 5 games who have they beaten WC, blues, gws , nth , swans all teams in the bottom 8, we haven’t taken any real scalps & just reinforces of the uneven draw 

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I am I right in assuming because Casey are playing tomorrow they've named a side that also includes players that might not be playing, assuming some players will be held over as emergencies for Melbourne's Monday game? The fact that Smith & Tomlinson haven't breen named for Casey would indicate they're staying in the Melbourne side with Hibberd coming in for Bowey. Who replaces Harmes as sub? Hopefully Jordon, despite being named for Casey.

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7 hours ago, Deebauched said:

Top 2 was never really on the cards even top 4 is a struggle with Coll Port, Lions virtual lock ins.

Where would you rather finish  3rd  or 5th. 3rd and we likely play Port in SA or 5th and play Essendon or Stkilda at the MCG. Ill take the fifth.

If our players are fit and well managed we can win it from there. Lose a top 4 final and you play 4 to win the flag same as 5-8. 

If Oliver doesnt leave hospital by Sunday as planned then something is going on we're not privy to.

You dont get put on a drip in hospital for almost a week because of a blister. In Asia open sores turn septic real fast even gangreneous . In Asia there are people everywhere  walking around with limbs missing.  Just saying.

 

Bears just locked themselves out of their house.

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