Max didn't retaliate when Daniels threw him over the boundary line in the 21 Grand Final - that worked out pretty well..

 

1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Salem....really? He was one of the players that complained to the PA when they did that brutal pre-season along with TMac a number of years ago.

Salem is one of our tougher players in actual fact. His toughness is underrated, he definitely has some mongrel.

1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Salem....really? He was one of the players that complained to the PA when they did that brutal pre-season along with TMac a number of years ago.

Well to be fair if anyone had the right to complain it was probably him when he got concussed by a brick.

Edited May 22, 20231 yr by layzie

1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Salem....really? He was one of the players that complained to the PA when they did that brutal pre-season along with TMac a number of years ago.

I get what you mean not his finest moment but he can throw his weight around when the mood arises but not enough to somes liking.

The more the days pass since Friday the more I think that the loss in Adelaide might just be the galvanising moment for our 23 campaign. Skipper gets beat up, your star mid goes down, the footy world starts banging their drums........BRING IT ON I SAY........Seeing what Grundy has said and just the general vibe I'm expecting this moment to be recalled when the 23 cup is ours. Some losses are better than wins and this one might just be that loss........Go Dee's, unleash hell.

Just now, Roost it far said:

The more the days pass since Friday the more I think that the loss in Adelaide might just be the galvanising moment for our 23 campaign. Skipper gets beat up, your star mid goes down, the footy world starts banging their drums........BRING IT ON I SAY........Seeing what Grundy has said and just the general vibe I'm expecting this moment to be recalled when the 23 cup is ours. Some losses are better than wins and this one might just be that loss........Go Dee's, unleash hell.

I hope you're right.

We were disappointing last year (failing to capitalise on generational talent and a narrow premiership window), and a little wary of 'losses we need to have', but the truth is we're too good to not dominate, the issue is between the ears and some coaching tweaks. 

2 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

What Port did required a response, but "flying the flag" is a notion from a bygone era.  All it does if give away feekicks, possible reports and definetely distracts us from what actually counts, which is winning the contested ball or applying immense pressure on them if they have it.  Leave the umpires to sort out these [censored] tactics (which they did to a certain extent), play harder within the rules and win the game.  Then those nonsense tactics will stop.

Do you know which team is the first to support team mates being unfairly dealt with? It’s the Pies, the team playing the most selfless footy in the AFL, pressuring the hardest, always running to help out team mates and with a great team first culture and of course, winning.

We were them in 2021.

8 hours ago, Redlagged said:

I would have to be at gunpoint to listen to that thick-necked windbag. Life is too short. First Crack? Could think of a few libellous puns to rename that show.

That’s a shame. Because it’s the only show in the industry that actually talks tactics and not media clickbait.

6 hours ago, bobby1554 said:

Brayden Maynard and his cohorts would be licking their lips and salivating about the upcoming KB game

Bring on that moron. 
 

I’d love to see JVR cop a week for a late “spoil” on that hot head.

Every media [censored] was frothing at the bit for him going after Langdon. 
 

Anyone every notice he picks on smaller players?

 

7 hours ago, rjay said:

I'm not sure...Port have been targeting Max for a number of years now.

They were prepared to give away a few free kicks because the tactic works.

First & foremost Max needs to look after himself by taking the game on. He's a big boy.

If he goes up another level then the tactic fails, but he didn't. His game was off which ensures he will get more of the same.

As for the team, they need to up the pressure rating in these games then maybe flying the flag wouldn't be necessary.

The opposition would be more concerned with getting a kick away & hitting a target.

Well said rj. Ports pattern is target max because it worked before in 2019 and other times.  . Hinkleys predictable . Where's rod Grinter when we need him

6 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

That’s a shame. Because it’s the only show in the industry that actually talks tactics and not media clickbait.

i agree - its really the only show that talks about pure footy. They are both past players and whilst they may pick and choose what they talk about - i find their analysis and insights really useful. For example the clips that Kingy showed on our unaccountable midfield where there to see...i could always tell something wasn't right by losing clearances or the stats show up on screen that CP is -10 or just that gut feel that the team is under performing.. but could never put the finger on it. 

 

4 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Kingy is going after us on all of his platforms. I actually don't mind it to be honest. Most of what he has been saying is pretty much consistent with what we have all been thinking. I'm not totally 100% on the culture claims, but there is something definitely up with attitude against teams that can match it with us and not playing for each other. It takes a bit more for it to be culture. The defensive side is absolute for all to see. 

The players will hear it and see it and that to me puts them on notice, which is exactly where i want them to be. Hopefully the coaching panel don't escape their fare whack as well. 

Also see that Goodwin's contract is up end of 2024 and that the view is that he'd ink a contract extension without too much fuss. Is it that clear cut though? - I'm not calling for Goodwin's head (just yet), but I wouldn't rush to ink an extension until we at least finish the year I would have thought. We have 2 maybe 3 years of window left right now and if we cannot challenge this year (pass rate is a PF), then i'd be looking to change things up and that may mean some turnover in the coaching staff. 

Goodwin said he'd back our midfield against butters and rozee.

He should know better and next hopefully he has a fix.

Poor coaching effort all round last week

Gawns been niggled and infringed for 2 years and we've not responded. Why start now.

Was a bad take, 1 goal the other way and they are talking about how he battled through the adversity. The niggles weren't the be all of the game.

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King is very late with this analysis. Watch any game from the stands and keep one eye on Max. He's crashed a dozen times a game off the ball. Been happening for years. Great insight Kingy (NOT).

The reason his teammates do not run to him could include:

• Max has directed them not to get involved with the crashing - save your energy for an attack on the ball
• The crashing of Max happens 60 metres off the ball - running to protect him stuffs up the structures
• Means there's a potential mismatch on the ground that can be exploited by our guys
• High risk of fines, suspections and the wrath of Christian
• We get sucked into playing the game on the oppos terms.

So thanks for absolutely nothing Kingy.

7 hours ago, mauriesy said:

So retaliation works, does it? Like JVR giving away a goal.

I'd much rather retaliate on the scoreboard.

We didn't do that either.

Our team lacks mongrel and it is infuriating. Look at how Collingwood went after Langdon last year. Look how they responded when Daicos was targeted. We could learn a thing or two from them about mongrel and desire.

I have to agree with @Queanbeyan Demon this isn't anything new.

Its a simple, crude and brilliant bit of coaching from Hinkley. The vision you see where players are just slightly pushing him to delay him getting to marking contests is legal (apart from the obvious one paid against where the player actually held/blocked him). But I hate to say there's not much you can do to stop this at the moment apart from having someone run with Max...

This vision King brings up below of the little elbow as max is down on the ground isn't the greatest example. Not sure how many players actually see it besides Hunter who clearly remonstrates. The other mids and backs are set up in position on a player. The balls going to be thrown back in at their HF. If one of our guys leaves their man/position we're pretty stuffed especially with how well Port were winning contest and moving the ball Friday night.

In saying all that I would like to see some more grit from our guys at times throughout games. Prefer it on the ball but there are teams that inflict that intimidation without going overboard that we lack. Petty is one of few with Viney that does this consistently. 

Edited May 22, 20231 yr by Young Blood

25 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

King is very late with this analysis. Watch any game from the stands and keep one eye on Max. He's crashed a dozen times a game off the ball. Been happening for years. Great insight Kingy (NOT).

The reason his teammates do not run to him could include:

• Max has directed them not to get involved with the crashing - save your energy for an attack on the ball
• The crashing of Max happens 60 metres off the ball - running to protect him stuffs up the structures
• Means there's a potential mismatch on the ground that can be exploited by our guys
• High risk of fines, suspections and the wrath of Christian
• We get sucked into playing the game on the oppos terms.

So thanks for absolutely nothing Kingy.

As with all analysis it's only part right. King makes some valid points and I think it'll elicit a response in coming weeks.

34 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

I have to agree with @Queanbeyan Demon this isn't anything new.

Its a simple, crude and brilliant bit of coaching from Hinkley. The vision you see where players are just slightly pushing him to delay him getting to marking contests is legal (apart from the obvious one paid against where the player actually held/blocked him). But I hate to say there's not much you can do to stop this at the moment apart from having someone run with Max...

This vision King brings up below of the little elbow as max is down on the ground isn't the greatest example. Not sure how many players actually see it besides Hunter who clearly remonstrates. The other mids and backs are set up in position on a player. The balls going to be thrown back in at their HF. If one of our guys leaves their man/position we're pretty stuffed especially with how well Port were winning contest and moving the ball Friday night.

In saying all that I would like to see some more grit from our guys at times throughout games. Prefer it on the ball but there are teams that inflict that intimidation without going overboard that we lack. Petty is one of few with Viney that does this consistently. 

It's actually Bowey and Salem who need to get to that  incident.

Edited May 22, 20231 yr by Roost it far

2 hours ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

the truth is we're too good to not dominate

We're just not.

Having to put Petty forward to shore up our KPF stocks has only unbalanced our backline - neither Lever nor May will be AA this year. Now with Petty out we're losing at both ends - undermanned backline and forward line without a reliable KPF target. 

42 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

As with all analysis it's only part right. King makes some valid points and I think it'll elicit a response in coming weeks.

Which part is not right @Roost it far?

47 minutes ago, bing181 said:

We're just not.

Having to put Petty forward to shore up our KPF stocks has only unbalanced our backline - neither Lever nor May will be AA this year. Now with Petty out we're losing at both ends - undermanned backline and forward line without a reliable KPF target. 

Sorry, I should clarify.

On paper, we should dominate - killer midfield. AA backs. Kozzie. Fritter. Gawn/Grundy. But with some underwhelming game day coaching, bad luck with injuries, and arrogant Hollywood football, we're not. Aside from BBB and Petty (admittedly a decent gap), we're largely the same team who won the GF. In fact we were nearly full strength on the weekend. We had no real excuses. Can't expect to have everyone on the ground at once, for every game. Other teams do without stars.

Agree we're still missing a KPF target, but that alone should not stop us from performing. We still have enough goalscorers on the ground who should get the job done. I just think we're not playing that well, and like last year, the beat-ups against poor teams is clouding perception of where we are actually at - and that's an often lazy, uninspired, rigid brand of football that does not stack up against teams who apply pressure and play to the usual plan to beat us - and we get beaten the same way every time. 

And I disagree with Petty going forward. He's integral to our backline. 

So yeah, sorry, on paper and in theory we should dominate. But it's not working. And it'll take somebody to actually look at where we are, rather than the 'that's not us' or 'that's the loss we needed to have' [censored], because that continues to gloss over the real issues. We've had plenty of 'necessary losses this and last year, and not surprisingly, against the better teams who have worked us out. 

Edited May 22, 20231 yr by Red But Mostly Blue

13 hours ago, BW511 said:

I mentioned a few weeks back that if you go after our leaders we are vulnerable. Port did exactly that. Belt up Max and sit someone on Viney.

It’s happened before and it will happen again

Therefore, it is a coaching matter that needs correcting…play Harmes- it is as simple as that.

 

 

First Crack, 360 and On the Coach are all full of over analysis, and sensational tripe. 

They make massive calls and huge generalisations each episode, typically based on footage of maybe 2 - 3 plays in an entire game. 

Round 2 David King called the Cats cooked.... 

Watch the game with your own eyes and make up your own mind imo

When it comes to aggression and standing up for teammates the Pies are terrific and have been for as long as I can remember!

They have owned Melbourne for far to long and the Demons need to stand up for themselves as a team.

Pies have some very average players, but are playing as a team and coached to go for it no regrets, like Bazball in cricket! Markov, Cox, Noble, Lipinski are just players, pressure their weaker players and under the pump they will falter!

Port niggled hassled Gawn all night, Butters was on fire did the Demons bump him every opportunity make tackles really stick!

We have “A” grade talent but feels like we need to step it up as a team.
 

Petty and Sparrow both go hard and we’re missed on Friday night, but lots of players went missing.

While I’m far from giving up on the Demons this year, be very happy to see a bit more mongrel, and someone step up and own FF/CHF in partnership with JVR!

8 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

First Crack, 360 and On the Coach are all full of over analysis, and sensational tripe. 

They make massive calls and huge generalisations each episode, typically based on footage of maybe 2 - 3 plays in an entire game. 

Round 2 David King called the Cats cooked.... 

Watch the game with your own eyes and make up your own mind imo

They are cooked.