On 24/04/2023 at 21:58, DeeSpencer said:

But the ball had bounced right? I’m not imagining it? 

Insufficient intent rule has nothing to do with what your opponent may or may not do 

The ball bouncing has nothing to do with the rule nor is it stated in the rules.
My take on it is that Brayshaw’s intent was solely to intercept the ‘bouncing ball’ prior to an opponent gaining advantage, not to deliberately push it OOB. Plus he was at least 20 metres in from the boundary. Just thought that was extremely stiff.

Normally dont take much notice of the umpires but last night was so bad i couldnt help it.Just ruinsthe game

  On 24/04/2023 at 16:33, deva5610 said:

For those that haven't yet had the privilege of enjoying the amazing Channel 7 post match with Brayshaw - Watch AFL Post Game Online: Free Streaming & Catch Up TV in Australia | 7plus

Enjoy.

Tip: Select 0.5x playback speed for the Gus interview.

  On 24/04/2023 at 23:20, forever demons said:

Just ruinsthe game

Yep. Last night was laughably, distressingly bad. And the AFL continue to do way too little about it. An extra umpire isn’t the answer. Full-time professional umpires, paid accordingly, selected for decision-making clarity and ability to adjudicate impartially under pressure, then further educated and experienced as only full-time employees can be, then we might get somewhere. 

  On 24/04/2023 at 13:26, layzie said:

What did you guys think of the umpiring?

Had me shaking my head, thought Richmond got the benefit of the doubt every time two examples out of many were taking the ball off Fritsch when he could've had a goal and Rioli not being penalised for a 50m in the centre of the ground and them getting a goal as a result. In other words the umpires had yellow and black bias. Also why does Martin always get more time to dispose of the ball.

  On 24/04/2023 at 14:37, Demonland said:

 

Wow.  He is massive.  Big question always though how good a footballer is he?

  On 24/04/2023 at 14:53, Gawndy the Great said:

Watch it get changed silently in the next few. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. 
 

 

Well it hasn’t been paid in years if ever - so they will wait until a critical moment again and take the opportunity to show the world just how influential they are. 

  On 24/04/2023 at 14:54, Mincho Mania said:

Judd McVee's ceiling is through the roof 🥱

Aren’t we playing at Docklands next - through the roof would be most impressive.  Jokes aside he is developing beautifully. 

  On 24/04/2023 at 16:02, deva5610 said:

No, It's as simple as the protected area also extends to behind the player manning the mark. 5 metres back, 10 metres either side (so in total a box 5m deep x 20m wide).

If an oppo player enters that (unless to stick with one of the other teams players) it's a 50. Same as the rest of the protected area at any other time.

Here's the picture of the protected area again for people that have missed it.

The "No player can enter this area" is a bit misleading as players of the same team of the player who took the mark CAN enter the protected area. It should say "No player of the opposition can enter this area". I think. I don't know anymore. I've read these rules too many times today and I've confused myself even.

What I do know is that Lever wasn't allowed to. He did and in a way that wasn't subtle.

Maybe … but as many of us have said it has NEVER been paid before and I am sure it won’t today. 

Last night should have been a big money spinner for us. We need it for the move to Caulfield. 

Last night was our biggest home crowd since 1964, let's see if we can beat it on The Kings Birthday "Big freeze" game. 

Ha laughed when Goody said in his presser he was thinking about subbing out Van Rooyen. When asked what made him change his mind he said he took a mark. 

Thank goodness he didn't decide at 3/4 time 

Are we going into games too tall? Brisbane and Essendon went into the game with 3-5 talls and ran in waves with smaller quicker players.

can we continue to play Gawn, Grundy, Roo, May, Petty (forward) options BBB or TMac.

tigers hunted us last night, brought the pressure and run which we’re currently struggling with.

miscellaneous musing:

• Who was on Shai Bolton?  He usually breaks lines and sets up a lot of play + scores but last night thought he was very well held.
• umpiring is a tough gig, we forgive the many errors by players especially under pressure but not the umpys, having said that it really felt one sided last night, unconscious bias?
• I’m not surprised they were going to drag Van Rooooo, something like 4 possessions and a kick to 3/4 time, only came good when Bolta was moved off him and into the ruck.  Thought the kayo panel’s raving about him after the game was a tad over the top.
• Chin’s 3 goals equally important as Roo’s - maybe not as spectacular 
• Hunter’s propensity for ‘underground’ handpasses - opposition will cotton on very soon
• got cranky during the game with commentators concentration on Richmond especially early on - its either how awesome a team is or what they have to do to beat us, be nice to have unbiased commentary 
• Hard for Laurie to show much when he was only on for a dog watch - but he didn’t do much!
• Petty seems better behind the ball
• Dumb kicks out of defence - most teams if not all do them, but get picked off 80%? of the time and the ball comes back in with more control.  Not sure what the solution is though.  Perfect a kick into the ground that can’t be a mark? 

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 20232 yr by kryton101

  On 24/04/2023 at 22:30, Demon Dynasty said:

His first game back was pretty good just didnt hit the scoreboard.

Those marking attempts hmm.  Stay on the ground in the hunt.

Rushes his banana attempts at goal and has missed most of those since returning.

Not sure if he played any mid field minutes yesterday (cant recall seeing much of him there) but looked ok through there (at times) in other games this year.

Need to get him involved and some touches and short mid field minutes wouldn't hurt surely.

Swap Viney to Kozzy's role when running Kozzie through the middle?

Kade Chandler is showing him how it's done so far this season. Really impressed with his defensive efforts, hard running and getting to the fall of the ball.

Maybe all of this contract stuff is getting a bit distracting for Koz? I'm sure he'll click sooner than later. He's just gotta keep his feet on the ground and be at the fall of the ball.

  On 24/04/2023 at 23:52, kryton101 said:

 

• I’m not surprised they were going to drag Van Rooooo, something like 4 possessions and a kick to 3/4 time, only came good when Bolta was moved off him and into the ruck.  Thought the kayo panel’s raving about him after the game was a tad over the top.

 

 

He’s played 3 games and won it for us last night. Some talls play their entire career and never put on that sort of performance. The contested marking, regardless of who was defending him or not, and the composure to go back and slot 3 difficult shots under pressure was unbelievable. 
He deserved all the raving and more. 
 

Edit: and the mental fortitude to have a stinker for 3 quarters and still back yourself in to dominate in the last in front of 84,000 people in a tight game that wasn’t going our way is truly special. 

Edited April 24, 20232 yr by Jaded No More

  On 24/04/2023 at 23:54, Jaded No More said:

He’s played 3 games and won it for us last night. Some talls play their entire career and never put on that sort of performance. The contested marking, regardless of who was defending him or not, and the composure to go back and slot 3 difficult shots under pressure was unbelievable. 
He deserved all the raving and more. 
 

Edit: and the mental fortitude to have a stinker for 3 quarters and still back yourself in to dominate in the last in front of 84,000 people in a tight game that wasn’t going our way is truly special. 

Yep - good points both!  Rave away!!  

  On 24/04/2023 at 23:53, Brownie said:

Kade Chandler is showing him how it's done so far this season. Really impressed with his defensive efforts, hard running and getting to the fall of the ball.

Maybe all of this contract stuff is getting a bit distracting for Koz? I'm sure he'll click sooner than later. He's just gotta keep his feet on the ground and be at the fall of the ball.

Chandler yes

Kozzy will be fine.  Choco just needs a quiet word imv re speckies (ok once in a while / timing?) vs on ground crumbing and pressure (obviously more of that pls).  Plus pls take all your time with set shots, especially round the corners.  No need to rush.

Its also a set up thing to ensure he is floating out the back for the occasional joe-the- goose as we saw last night on one occasion.

Seems to be a touch player as well.  Worth getting him involved in the middle early on in a match if he looks a bit off??

Edited April 25, 20232 yr by Demon Dynasty

The world seems right again this morning with us back in the top 4.  If only we'd not dropped that game to Essendon last week, we'd be well intrentched. 

But overall quite happy to come away with the win last night, when for a little bit in the 2nd quarter it looked like the Tigers might get their tail up and take the game away from us.

Though the 3rd and 4th quarters we played a really mature game of a side that knew it was better, but just had to keep on working harder and not loose it's head to get the 4 points.

  On 24/04/2023 at 15:37, cookieboc said:

Had no idea at the game what this 50 was for.

apparently, there is a protected area behind the man on the mark, which Lever enters to give away the 50. 

So, is it like running between the mark, a Richmond player could have entered the restricted area behind the man on the mark?

Dumb rule how does it disadvantage the kicker.

  On 24/04/2023 at 12:52, deva5610 said:

To be absolutely clear - The protected area extends 5 metres behind the player on the mark, and 10 metres either side.

Yes, but what a stupid rule.

I have slept on it all, read over the posts added to this thread today, had my morning coffee, and can now be a tad more reasonable about reflecting on last night.

This was a Dees Goodwin win. His ethos is that the 22 can reset after any play, goal, break etc... Last night, it took us longer to reset than usual. Often, if we have a bad quarter, we reset at the break, or at half time. But things didn't change or turn until half way through the 3rd quarter. But we did reset, the game turned, and we surged ahead.

The last quarter was us at our best. Dogged. Manic. Fierce. Lots of little extras, one percenters, off the ball hard work.

Richmond were very good at ground level, while we were atrocious for 3 quarters. 

JVR and Chandler - wow.

Although they were collectively responsible for a lot of the poor skills and messy decision making, our central body of players need more credit for the win: ANB, Jordon, Sparrow, McVee, Bowey, Brayshaw, Grundy, Hibberd. These guys in the 2nd half worked their a**es off, albeit with frustrating errors involved. 

Gawn & Grundy and finding their partnership and I love it. 

We have a lot of work to do, especially forward, but we won.

Edited April 25, 20232 yr by Maldonboy38

  On 24/04/2023 at 22:34, John Demonic said:

Great seeing Petty provide a contest, but he understandably has little forward craft or a set shot routine. Can't wait to see Ben Brown back out there alongside JVR 

What Petty gives us that Brown doesn't is second efforts and strength in the contests.

  On 24/04/2023 at 14:37, Demonland said:

 

Love that he so proudly wears the red and blue and hopefully he'll join those two as team mates and wear it for real one day.

He does look tall next to Roo, but not quite so tall next to Max.

Well there is the good, we won,

McVee Getting better every game

Chandler coming into his own

Viney welcome back to late 21 form, makes a big difference when he takes first option

Now the bad, Game plan still playing one side of the ground just bomb it down, May tried to kick it to Viney on the other side of the ground, trouble was he had two player on him. Again we just bombed it in to the forward line and expect a different result no wonder JVR and Petty had trouble doing anything early, if people think BBB and Tmac would have made a difference they are kidding themselves.

Hibberd, well can this guy have some brain fades the one thing that is concerning, he has a habit  of just handing it off to someone in an even worse position or just plays on and kicks it to packs.

Oliver, for him to get a higher level he needs to start to think his way through things, just playing on for the sake of it does not help, wasted kicks, handballs to nowhere, but I also put that down to trying too hard to do the right thing.

Trac is another one who can pinpoint a pass from know where, but then just kicks the ball without looking and at times, seems to come into the game a lot more as the pace goes out of the game.

We will struggle against sides that are able to move the ball at pace if you watch the pies, saints and yes the bombers they have an ability to chip the ball around till something opens up and then go at full pace, we still kick down the line get to a contested ball and if you watch these sides on TV watch the down the ground vision of them transferring the ball it's brilliant.

Forward line, it is still a mess, when we recruited BBB he kicked a most of his goals at north on the lead but we still insist on bombing it in, he will struggle to kick multiple goals against top sides or anyone else for that matter unless we change it, but don't hold your breath, JVR is young but there is some talent that will evolve with him, just get someone in to help him with body positioning and forward line play.

There is a saying that goes like this, build a wall forward of H/B and you control the game, lions, bombers and pies do that and it showed how we had trouble getting passed it when all the players are in three quarters of the ground.

Now we did win but it was against a side with some key injuries but a win is a win and I hope as the season goes on we evolve and tinker with the game plan to make it more effective.

 

 

 

 

 

  On 24/04/2023 at 13:52, Garbo said:

Good to get the win but hopefully the team learns some lessons from that.

Petty isn’t a forward and needs to go back.

Hibbo is done unless injures dictate he plays,  he gets beaten way to often these days and has lost a step, I counted his direct opponents kicking 4 goals tonight possibly more

Tmac or Brown needs to always play to assist Vanrooyen, a forward line consisting of him Petty and resting ruck won’t work against any sides come finals.

All in all we just got lucky tigers aren’t the team they were.

Would be interested to know what aspect of that win you thought was “luck”? If it’s Richmond missing some shots, there is a thing called implied pressure

  On 24/04/2023 at 12:52, deva5610 said:

 

But he wasn't outside 5 metres behind the mark, hence the free kick. If he had stayed 5 metres out there wouldn't have been a free paid.

To be absolutely clear - The protected area extends 5 metres behind the player on the mark, and 10 metres either side.

That's coming from an umpire that does not know the difference between a ball travelling 15 mtrs or more about 20 times a match.?

And this decision, if correct, had been made how many times this year or last year....?

  On 25/04/2023 at 00:32, demon3165 said:

Oliver, for him to get a higher level he needs to start to think his way through things, just playing on for the sake of it does not help, wasted kicks, handballs to nowhere…

 

I’m not sure we can ask Clayton to go to another level. He’s one of the best players in the game, and I’d say he’s the best, hardest working Melbourne player I’ve ever seen (I’m 44). He was playing last night after having the flu last week. I’m not sure what more he can do. 

I agree with you about our forward line, but I reckon we need to persist with Max/Brodie, JVR and Petty. Last night was the first time they all played together. It sure got better as the game went on.