POSTGAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

[Waltham33 475]

Tigers threw everything at it, their season was on the line.  Dees resolute, uplift required in many spots however third on the ladder speaks volumes. Reminded me a bit of the win v Sydney in 2021

oh an team needs Salem to win the flag

Edited April 24, 2023 by Waltham33

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Melbourne V Richmond luck scoreboard.

Umpires had a shocker - Demons 0 Tigers 2

Richmond were without their key forward and one of the pre-season Coleman favourites in Tom Lynch. Their first ruck in Nankervis, second ruck in Soldo. Also Nathan Broad, a 3 time premiership player, Jack Graham 2 time premiered player and 2nd in the Tigers B & F and up and coming Key defender in Josh Gibcus.
We were close to full strength - Demons 5 Tigers 0 

We can’t whinge as overall we won the luck scoreboard 5-2. 

 

[Ugottobekidding 1,242]

9 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

When the Rooter took the big mark I swear it looked like Ox was taking the mark.

A ginger ginger not a schwarz

[layzie 34,337]

Amazing service this morning. Thank you to all who has served this great country and everyone else who attended.

[praha 11,253]

We were average for 2.5 quarters. We got on top when the Tigers tired. We are well off our best atm imo.

BUT, it was good to finally beat a big club in front of a big crowd in a tight game. 

[FlashInThePan 1,893]

7 hours ago, Brownie said:

It seems to me that Viney is slowly transforming his game to go forward more and to play a bit more outside as well.

I really see this as the best way to extend Viney’s career. His combative style is what makes him awesome but it must take a toll on his body. He is actually a really reliable set shot as well as bringing incredible heat to any contest, having him rotate into a forward pocket or flank could really work.

[DeeSpencer 26,273]

7 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

That’s garbage, if Gus doesn’t dive and punch the ball away Dusty was off and gone. That’s as good as a spoil to me. 

But the ball had bounced right? I’m not imagining it? 

Insufficient intent rule has nothing to do with what your opponent may or may not do 

Edited April 24, 2023 by DeeSpencer

[BW511 2,724]

The morning after and I am concerned with Steven May’s body, his two best assets are his pace and competitiveness.

He’s clearly carrying an injury because he can barely get out of a jog at the moment. At one point in the last quarter, Grundy ran straight past him like he was standing still.

I said in the game day thread that the young boys were the ones to get us going in the last quarter and it was great to see. Oliver and Trac had games that were workmanlike at best, this was an even contribution across the ground. 

 

[Redleg 41,945]

8 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

All we want is consistency. The umpires pick and choose when to pay frees for certain rules. One week you can’t breathe near an umpire. The next week you can go off at them. One week touching a player with a feather after a mark is a 50. The next week you can be smashed to the ground after a mark and it’s play on. 
If that is a rule, fine. I just want to see it paid every time it happens. Which is about 15 times a game. 

You and Deva 5160 are both correct.

it is clearly a rule and it’s not paid.

I must admit I was just unaware of it until last night, when that diagram was shown on here.

According to the rule it was a clear and obvious breach.

The funny thing is that Lever and the other players appeared unaware of it, as did the commentators. Richo said he had never seen it paid before and why was it paid, as Lever was behind the man on the mark. The others didn’t know either.

Interestingly, when you take a side on kick, the players must be 10 metres away from the side of the man on the mark and they never are. Why isn’t that officiated properly?

Last night was as poor and what seemed biased umpiring as you could see. Our players appeared dumbfounded at times and to their credit kept their cool.

The mistakes all seemed to go the Tigers way. A Bombers mate messaged me to say the umpires were killing us and it was blatant.

The ANB non 50, the Gus deliberate and holding the ball when he kicked it and wasn’t tackled, but was bumped, the 3 round the neck to Sparrow, the Hunter holding the ball, the Petty holding the man on Vlastuin, when they were standing still and Vlastuin just dropped it, the Fritsch reversal, several soft frees in front of goal and many others, all mistakes and all in the Tigers favour.

I can only imagine the Scotts and Dimma if it had been them on the receiving end of constant bad decisions.

To overcome all that and a poor first 2/3rds of the game, was great by our boys.

Well done Dees, those types of games build belief. Everything going wrong, but still finding a way to win.

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Redleg

[kev martin 10,703]

 

Loved our fight and our second half. Although our contested possessions and tackling was less than the Tiges, we were able to stop their ball movement.

In the first half they got the ball out the back of the pack and had time to find links, spread and corridors. We seemed to adjust and got our half forward game going, holding it in, getting multiple entries, and halved their attempts to counter-attack.

The Tiges left the game and lowered their heads after missing goals. The old Tiges are done, could be the last time we see the magnificent Martin. Riewold, Cotchin and Grimes are also lowering the colours.

Great that JVR could do it in the last, and what a stage to execute. I think he was led by Petty, who started marking in the high forward area in the last quarter. JVR, then said, watch this.

Kossie looks to be playing for himself. Has he moved interstate already?

The ball user would often take that extra step, invite the pressure and lose our synch/connection, but we kept pushing and scrambled well.

May's struggling, haven't seen him lose the feet so regularly, or not finding his balance after wrestling for position and not taking those marks.

Our defence continues to structure very well, with their communication, pointing and setting the field.

Don't like that we play straight, very little change of angles as we go forward, and those bombs, which looked like a game plan.

Need to increase our tackling, contested footy and one-percenters. Too many turnovers.

We still have a great transitional game, and some players read the game so well (Lever, Hibbo, Hunter, Oliver).

We also seemed to nullify their players when they started getting dominant. Good role players, ANB, Sparrow, Rivers, McVee, Brayshaw.

Not sure about using inexperienced players as the Sub. Laurie had trouble getting into the game. Much prefer an old head.

Happy about our win and ability to take and hold the momentum after half-time.

Edited April 24, 2023 by kev martin

[Redleg 41,945]

6 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Having just read the rest of this thread apparently it has to do with anyone moving that's within a 5 metre radius of the kicker but as Lever wasn't the person standing the mark the decision was mind boggling. You'll be lucky to see it getting paid again this year. 

No, there is a 5 metre protected area behind the man on the mark and Lever ran into it waving his arms.

[Demon Dynasty 17,130]

4 minutes ago, kev martin said:

Not sure about using inexperienced players as the Sub. Laurie had trouble getting into the game. Much prefer an old head.

Yep although he was only on for a short stint.

Harmes or Dunstan in the short term?

Possibly BBB or Schache after that (depending on oppo match up requirements)  if one of them fire up next week.

[loges 6,767]

11 minutes ago, kev martin said:

 

Loved our fight and our second half. Although our contested possessions and tackling was less than the Tiges, we were able to stop their ball movement.

In the first half they got the ball out the back of the pack and had time to find links, spread and corridors. We seemed to adjust and got our half forward game going, holding it in, getting multiple entries, and halved their attempts to counter-attack.

The Tiges left the game and lowered their heads after missing goals. The old Tiges are done, could be the last time we see the magnificent Martin. Riewold, Cotchin and Grimes are also lowering the colours.

Great that JVR could do it in the last, and what a stage to execute. I think he was led by Petty, who started marking in the high forward area in the last quarter. JVR, then said, watch this.

Kossie looks to be playing for himself. Has he moved interstate already?

The ball user would often take that extra step, invite the pressure and lose our synch/connection, but we kept pushing and scrambled well.

May's struggling, haven't seen him lose the feet so regularly, or not finding his balance after wrestling for position and not taking those marks.

Our defence continues to structure very well, with their communication, pointing and setting the field.

Don't like that we play straight, very little change of angles as we go forward, and those bombs, which looked like a game plan.

Need to increase our tackling, contested footy and one-percenters. Too many turnovers.

We still have a great transitional game, and some players read the game so well (Lever, Hibbo, Hunter, Oliver).

We also seemed to nullify their players when they started getting dominant. Good role players, ANB, Sparrow, Rivers, McVee, Brayshaw.

Not sure about using inexperienced players as the Sub. Laurie had trouble getting into the game. Much prefer an old head.

Happy about our win and ability to take and hold the momentum after half-time.

Today's HS, 4 year deal looming for Kozzie with MFC, takes him to free agency. Kozzies been off since his suspension.

[loges 6,767]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

I'm not faulting Grundys rucking. He's very good.  I also think he's pretty good at ground level. I just think one mark for tge game isn't good from a ruckman. Even with Max out he's struggled taking marks little own contested ones. If he can be more of a successful go to target it would really make a difference. 

You're right of course, my main point was we should be taking more advantage of Grundy's hit outs.

[kev martin 10,703]

45 minutes ago, layzie said:

Thank you to all who has served this great country and everyone else who attended.

Good sentiment, though I see Anzac day as a time to reflect on the futility of war. 

I see remembrance day (11 Nov) as more of a time to thank those who served.

Wish we didn't have to have a defence force, and when active, the displacement and suffering of civilians is very sad indictment of our madness. The pain of losing and maiming, (especially the psychological) a family member who served, is devastating. I think the soldiers know and ask, why? Especially when at that time, our foreign policy was controlled by another country. It is how that defeat became a nation definer to us and New Zealand.

Lest we forget.

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by kev martin

[sue 9,195]

8 hours ago, deva5610 said:

You're not wrong, but that doesn't mean the umpire is making up rules or interpreting them in their own way.

It's a rule, written in black and white with a picture to boot. There's no excuse from Lever for not knowing it.

Sorry, there is an excuse if it never gets paid.  A player may have read all the rules 20 times and absorbed it, but if his on-field experience is that it is one of those rules that is just on paper and never is enforced, it's forgivable to ignore it (only once, if you get pinged).  Let's see if the AFL enforces it regularly now.   

 A lot of the time umps will tell players to get out of the protected zone and only ping them if they fail to move quickly.  But not always and not in Lever's case which is particularly bad considering it is rarely (if ever?) paid a 50.  

[Demon Dynasty 17,130]

3 minutes ago, loges said:

Today's HS, 4 year deal looming for Kozzie with MFC, takes him to free agency. Kozzies been off since his suspension.

His first game back was pretty good just didnt hit the scoreboard.

Those marking attempts hmm.  Stay on the ground in the hunt.

Rushes his banana attempts at goal and has missed most of those since returning.

Not sure if he played any mid field minutes yesterday (cant recall seeing much of him there) but looked ok through there (at times) in other games this year.

Need to get him involved and some touches and short mid field minutes wouldn't hurt surely.

Swap Viney to Kozzy's role when running Kozzie through the middle?

[Deeminion 406]

Great win by the lads. Thought we were gone at quarter time and there were some moments in the second that I thought we would get rolled but the boys showed some fighting spirit. I'm a little bit greyer today.

[John Demonic 5,901]

Great seeing Petty provide a contest, but he understandably has little forward craft or a set shot routine. Can't wait to see Ben Brown back out there alongside JVR 

Edited April 24, 2023 by John Demonic

[Demon Dynasty 17,130]

5 minutes ago, sue said:

Sorry, there is an excuse if it never gets paid.  A player may have read all the rules 20 times and absorbed it, but if his on-field experience is that it is one of those rules that is just on paper and never is enforced, it's forgivable to ignore it (only once, if you get pinged).  Let's see if the AFL enforces it regularly now.   

 A lot of the time umps will tell players to get out of the protected zone and only ping them if they fail to move quickly.  But not always and not in Lever's case which is particularly bad considering it is rarely (if ever?) paid a 50.  

Isn't the 5 meter rule only for the player on the mark?

So if player on the mark decides to take the "outside 5" option, then yes, he and or Lever gets pinged if they come closer to the mark.  Mind you ive seen players do this (take the outside 5 with umpire calling it such) then he runs up to the mark after that..... no free!!

So if player taking the mark is on the mark then how is another player sitting behind him infringing?  He is not the player on the mark.  Surely the rule only applies to that one player on the mark? (unless the outside 5 rule's been envoked).

Edited April 24, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Fat Tony 5,306]

Great win considering the umpiring didn’t go our way and we made some silly mistakes.

The goal kicking accuracy was the difference. 

The three kicking turnovers in the last quarter when we were about 14 points ahead were ordinary (Lever, Rivers and Hibberd?). We needed to go long to Gawn in those situations. 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Fat Tony

[Adam The God 30,603]

8 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Gussy has punched the ball away in a contest an absolute disgrace, what else would you suggest he does ump.

That was deliberate every day of the week. Players know that unless you are spoiling a marking attempt and you don't keep the ball in play it will be paid deliberate.

It was a ground ball and Gus punched out.

I agree, little else he could do, but the free kick was there.

I thought the umpiring both ways was dreadful, but particularly towards us. And you could tell there were a lot of nuffies that don't often go to the footy supporting Melbourne last night because they were getting angry at very text book free kicks like the Gus one. Some were definitely there, but majority were just terrible decisions and some of the 'even ups' to us were laughable.

[Pipefitter 2,213]

Has to be the worst officiated game I’ve seen in a while, but in hindsight it really added to the drama last night. It was a loud hostile crowd. Loved it. 

[Kent 2,918]

Congrats to Jack Viney

Played a good consistent 4 quarters of sensible hard footy well deserved medal

Jack is getting better and better this year

[DeelightfulPlay 2,673]

6 hours ago, deva5610 said:

For those that haven't yet had the privilege of enjoying the amazing Channel 7 post match with Brayshaw - Watch AFL Post Game Online: Free Streaming & Catch Up TV in Australia | 7plus

Enjoy.

@Jaded No More, here's the interview!  Hope it stands up in the cold light of day