Trade Rumours 2023

[djr 1,597]

I believed I may have added a little spice to the morning. Sincerely, I don't believe P6 and 11 will be sufficient if we are to obtain P1. To seal the deal we might have to part ways with one of our top 22 players.

[BW511 2,688]

Jack Darling career goals - 510

Tom McDonald career goals - 165

Ben Brown career goals - 353

He’s still a far better player than those two currently and he’s always been better over the journey.

I didn’t actually realise he’d been that prolific, West Coast did well keeping Kennedy and Darling for as long as they did

Edited October 13, 2023 by BW511

[Mach5 4,768]

1 hour ago, djr said:

Pick 1 and Darling for Pick 6 and JVR. Go big on King next year. Have plenty of Cap space. Good chance Curtain will be available for them at P6.

Very appealing.

I know it’s sacrilege on here, but I think JVR is a tradeable asset provided we cover the KPF depth he provides.
An astute appraisal I heard of JVR doubted he’d ever be a tier 1 forward due to the lack of goal scoring in general play. He’s a lead> mark/free> kick goal type of player. There’s not much of the opportunistic goal poaching or snaps from the boundary, etc.

Plays his role to aplomb for a kick, but I think we overrate his potential.

[hardtack 10,627]

57 minutes ago, Clayton van Oliver said:

Not in Würzburg it's not

After a few wines, wouldn’t that be Slürzburg?

[chook fowler 19,551]

Can’t believe the crazy talk re JVR. 

[mo64 5,881]

4 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Very appealing.

I know it’s sacrilege on here, but I think JVR is a tradeable asset provided we cover the KPF depth he provides.
An astute appraisal I heard of JVR doubted he’d ever be a tier 1 forward due to the lack of goal scoring in general play. He’s a lead> mark/free> kick goal type of player. There’s not much of the opportunistic goal poaching or snaps from the boundary, etc.

Plays his role to aplomb for a kick, but I think we overrate his potential.

JVR isn't KPF depth. He was essentially our no.1 KPF this year in his 1st season of AFL, and had to take on ruck duties later in the year. Naturally he tired, and his performance suffered.

As for the astute appraisal, what are the main avenues to goal for the likes of Lynch, Hawkins, King brothers. Larkey, Mitch Lewis, Marshall? I don't see them as goal poachers.

And how does our forward structure look if Ben King doesn't become available next year? 

[BDA 22,891]

20 minutes ago, djr said:

I believed I may have added a little spice to the morning. Sincerely, I don't believe P6 and 11 will be sufficient if we are to obtain P1. To seal the deal we might have to part ways with one of our top 22 players.

he would 22 on our list of 22 players we are prepared to trade.

giving up our best young player, a proven young player for a speculative pick (even if no 1 pick, no guarantees) is not going to happen

[Demons11 7,057]

59 minutes ago, BDA said:

31 is not too old. Look at Hawkins. Tex Walker looked done but has just had a career best season at the age of 33.

Let the medical team run the rule over him. If they think he has gas left in the tank and can stay fit for a couple of more seasons, then he could be a good option. absolutely depends on his body. If we think it'll hold up then go for it.

Please don’t compare Darling to Hawkins and Tex 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,708]

10 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Can’t believe the crazy talk re JVR. 

This is getting ridiculously out of hand now!

[Demons11 7,057]

1 hour ago, djr said:

Pick 1 and Darling for Pick 6 and JVR. Go big on King next year. Have plenty of Cap space. Good chance Curtain will be available for them at P6.

🤮the only chance of trading JVR is if we get Oscar Allen back in return 

[BDA 22,891]

12 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Please don’t compare Darling to Hawkins and Tex 

I wasn't comparing ability (although he has scored over 500 career goals which ain't bad)

I was comparing in the context of age

[Kent 2,914]

18 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Walk away Melbourne  Please

 

[Jaded No More 68,974]

1 hour ago, djr said:

Pick 1 and Darling for Pick 6 and JVR. Go big on King next year. Have plenty of Cap space. Good chance Curtain will be available for them at P6.

[Gator 17,477]

I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Darling.

If his head and body are right he's still a 40 goal forward.

van Rooyen is going nowhere, but it does open the possibility of the club doing a deal with Petty.

Petty for 10 and 14, or 10 plus McAdam...

Personally, I'd keep Petty but it makes the last few days very interesting.

6, 10, and 11 for ONE and Darling.

Edited October 13, 2023 by Gator

[Adam The God 30,421]

42 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

I know it’s sacrilege on here, but I think JVR is a tradeable asset provided we cover the KPF depth he provides.

So do I.

I really like JVRs progress, but if we could improve our broader list by trading him, it wouldn't be off the table for me. Particularly, if there's any hesitation in signing long term.

[Adam The God 30,421]

3 minutes ago, Gator said:

I wouldn't dismiss the idea of Darling.

If his head and body are right he's still a 40 goal forward.

van Rooyen is going nowhere, but it does open the possibility of the club doing a deal with Petty.

Petty for 10 and 14, or 10 plus McAdam...

Personally, I'd keep Petty but it makes the last few days very interesting.

6, 10, and 11 for ONE and Darling.

Would 6 + 10 + 14 do it? That way we can keep 11 and get up with our F1 to nab O'Sullivan and finish with Reid, O'Sullivan and Darling. Dream scenario. Maybe too dreamy. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Binmans PA

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,234]

Wow. Lets trade a pack marking kid who kicks 28 goals in his debut year of AFL footy. AND pick 6 for a pick 1 messiah. Whilst there lets take a washed up undersized forward who has shown a lack of work rate. 

I have now heard everything.  

Edited October 13, 2023 by Lil_red_fire_engine

[dazzledavey36 55,360]

1 minute ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Wow. Lets trade a pack marking kid who kicks 28 goals in his debut year of AFL footy. AND pick 6 for a pick 1 messiah.

I have now heard everything.  

Yeah I'm utterly perplexed by the proposal that some on here are willing to trade a first year key forward who's kicked nearly 30 goals in his debut year.

The kid is going to be one of thr power forwards of the competition in years to come. 

Our key talls is dire and we want to trade away for further draft capital? Yikes..

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,547]

We have been patient with JVR, really taken the time to develop him...

... He plays a solid 28 goal debut year, and there's the possibility we trade him for a MAYBE (midfield) star and a KPF who kicked LESS goals this year than a kid on debut????

JVR will increase his output next year. Hell, we may even start to kick to leading forwards in 2024. Lower the eyes etc. Could be 40-50 goals if we don't keep bombing it on his head. 

Silly trade thought.

NO

THANK YOU

Edited October 13, 2023 by Red But Mostly Blue

[Redleg 41,467]

1 hour ago, Mach5 said:

Very appealing.

I know it’s sacrilege on here, but I think JVR is a tradeable asset provided we cover the KPF depth he provides.
An astute appraisal I heard of JVR doubted he’d ever be a tier 1 forward due to the lack of goal scoring in general play. He’s a lead> mark/free> kick goal type of player. There’s not much of the opportunistic goal poaching or snaps from the boundary, etc.

Plays his role to aplomb for a kick, but I think we overrate his potential.

Imagine we traded JVR and then Petty asked to go. You and me could be in the key forward slots.

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,496]

JVR and Petts should be our twin tall combo moving forward and I'd be looking to pay them whatever it takes within our means to keep it that way. 

[Gator 17,477]

From a newspaper today over in the West:

Jack Darling: West Coast Eagles forward on trade table as part of potential North Melbourne No.1 pick deal

West Coast has made veteran forward Jack Darling available for trade if it helps the Eagles turn pick one into a life raft of early draft selections.

As North Melbourne, Melbourne and Hawthorn clamber to entice the Eagles to part with the coveted first selection in the November 20 AFL national draft.

The West Australian understands Darling is on the table, but only at the right price.

Complicating the matter is the 31-year-old has a young family and does not want to leave Perth.

The Eagles’ premiership player also has two years remaining on a five-year contract, worth about $800,000 per season, which will also come into salary cap calculations in any negotiations.

The Kangaroos have already shown interest and insiders suggest Melbourne would also be willing to take on Darling to help solve its forward line riddle.

The Demons, Kangaroos and Hawks are desperate to gain the No. 1 pick so they can draft gun Victorian youngster Harley Reid.

North Melbourne added pick 3 to 2, 3, 15, 17, 18, 57, and 65 to its suite after Ben McKay’s free agency move to Essendon.

It gives the Roos the whip hand to package up a deal, which is where Darling may come into play.

The Kangaroos have already made an offer of picks 15, 18, 21, and a future end-of-first-round for No. 1 — an ambit claim that was quickly rejected by the Eagles – with stronger offers expected to come in the last three days of the AFL’s Trade Period which winds up on Wednesday.

Darling could be an ideal addition to the North Melbourne attack alongside Nick Larkey as the Kangaroos look to add experience and depth to the forward line.

But Melbourne is also poised for a play at Reid and entered the bidding war when it secured pick 11 from Gold Coast to No. 6 which it landed via Fremantle last year in the Luke Jackson deal.

The Demons have picks 6, 11, 42, and 47 at their disposal and view a player with Darling’s experience as crucial with their premiership window open.

The Demons have struggled to kick winning scores this season with key targets Ben Brown and Tom McDonald missing large chunks and forcing them to park Brodie Grundy and Max Gawn in the forward 50. Jake Melksham is also out for 12 months with an ACL and Grundy has now joined Sydney.

Harrison Petty has knocked back an offer to move to Adelaide, but may look at it again at the end of next season.

West Australian Demon Jacob van Rooyen is contracted til the end of 2025 and is seen as a key part of Melbourne’s future plans, but might be expendable if Reid is the reward.

An offer of six, 11 and van Rooyen would be hard for the Eagles to turn down, unless the Roos slap down a trump hand.

Hawthorn is not considered in play for Darling as it chases Mabior Chol from Gold Coast and is in negotiations with Brisbane for premiership player Jack Gunston to return to the club.

The Eagles are also keen on pick two or three so they can secure one of their prime draft targets, Claremont defender Daniel Curtin.

Apart from Darling’s reluctance to move, the Eagles are also keen to hang on to experience, following the retirement of veterans Luke Shuey, Shannon Hurn and Nic Naitanui.

Darling was firm in his belief he wanted to remain a one-club player when he re-signed in 2019.

“I grew up supporting the Eagles, so to be here for my entire career is something I’ll look back on proudly,” Darling told the West Coast website.

“I always thought I was going to be a one-club player. I’m just really excited that the club has backed me in like they have my whole career.”

Darling has played 277 games, including 20 this season.

He sits on 510 goals and 265 behinds over his AFL career, third on the Eagles’ all-time list behind Josh Kennedy (712) and needs only another four to equal Peter Sumich in second position.

Darling’s 26 goals in 2023 was his lowest tally since his debut season in 2011.

[Abyssal 466]

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Imagine we traded JVR and then Petty asked to go. You and me could be in the key forward slots.

Yes   
Petty is a star, could be the best swingman since Terry Daniher however if he doesn’t see himself as a LONG term Demon then I think it’s the right time to consider a trade.

Petty may finish as a better player than Van Rooyen, maybe not, but considering all things, including injury concerns, Petty should be the one for possible trade.

However only if a great deal is offered that includes a KP forward ie. 
Pick 10 and Fogarty Plus McAddam.

ps. If we are so keen on Harley Reid but don’t have the capital, why not use it to prise an existing young midfielder like Jai Newcombe 22yo.

 

[dee-tox 4,835]

How bad is the Weagles list management if he is contracted for another two years at 800k?

He's done. Has been for two seasons.

[Fritta and Turner 4,541]

23 minutes ago, Gator said:

Complicating the matter is the 31-year-old has a young family and does not want to leave Perth.

That leaves Darling with many options.....