20 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

It is an assumption on my part.  But reported info:

• Fyfe didn't want to relinquish captaincy
• Brayshaw coveted the captaincy but was overlooked
• Brayshaw contract signed before he became 'elite' for less dollars than he would now be getting
• Mundy didn't want to retire.
• Fyfe doesn't want to play fwd
• Jackson doesn't like to play fwd

Please don't ask for the articles.  I'll leave it to posters to do their own research.

My guesswork is: how the above and Jackson's trade, $, list impact affect other players and what they might earn.  To me that is reasonable 'deductive' reasoning. 

Hayden Young has had a poor start to the year too. I'd know, he's in my fantasy team.

39 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

It is an assumption on my part.  But reported info:

• Fyfe didn't want to relinquish captaincy
• Brayshaw coveted the captaincy but was overlooked
• Brayshaw contract signed before he became 'elite' for less dollars than he would now be getting
• Mundy didn't want to retire.
• Fyfe doesn't want to play fwd
• Jackson doesn't like to play fwd

Please don't ask for the articles.  I'll leave it to posters to do their own research.

My guesswork is: how the above and Jackson's trade, $, list impact affect other players and what they might earn.  To me that is reasonable 'deductive' reasoning. 

Probably all contributing factors.

We are always told by clubs it is “culture” and “player buy in” that are so important and very possibly Freo are suffering on both fronts.

17 minutes ago, adonski said:

Hayden Young has had a poor start to the year too. I'd know, he's in my fantasy team.

You start the year's best thread and then select a Fremantle player to cheer for.  That's on you.   

Forcing Mundy into retirement feels very similar to Melbourne prematurely retiring James McDonald (and in hindsight we know how that worked out for us). He was still playing great football and was the heart and soul of that club. Ridiculous move. 

I'm enjoying this thread, but I would push back on the idea JL is a bad coach. I think he's a terrific strategist, but there have been some bad list management decisions made over the offseason that may have set that side back a few years. Giving Longmuir the sack would push their premiership hopes back even further. 

5 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

 

 

5 hours ago, Kent said:

That would be Pick 5  27 18 and 36 or there about  or did we trade our second rounder?

5, 16, 23 and 35 as listed on the graphic. We still have our second rounder.

Fremantle will be fine soon enough, as will Jackson, provided the fans, coteries and board give them and him time. I fear that they will end up in the old Richmond situation of impatience killing all growth every time things don't immediately show progress.

Consider how much difference it would make if they had Hogan running around their forward 50 now, instead of burning him off?

Jackson is 21

Darcy is 25

Give them 4 or 5 years and they could easily be the best ruck pairing in the comp.

5 hours ago, Kent said:

That would be Pick 5  27 18 and 36 or there about  or did we trade our second rounder?

That’s ex-Fremantle first round pick 5 and second round pick 23 AND

Melbourne first round pick 16 and second round pick 35.

 

9 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Jackson is 21

Darcy is 25

Give them 4 or 5 years and they could easily be the best ruck pairing in the comp.

Maybe but by then their eastern seaboard talent will have moved back

13 hours ago, layzie said:

JL the champion pre season coach!

This one is Gold

I think that the retirement of Mundy at the same time that Fyfe has stopped playing as a midfielder, has had a big impact on how Fremantle operates.

Mundy and Fyfe are both around 6'4 (~192cm), so they are big midfielders, and are contest winners with Mundy consistently averaging over 10 contested possessions a game (9 last year) and Fyfe averaging closer to 15 before injury and form issues recently. What these bigger bodies do is take the load off and make it easier for the smaller midfielders in the contest. 

By comparison, their spot as the top contest winners in the engine room has been taken by Serong (5'10 - 178cm) and Brayshaw (6'0 - 183cm). They're both excellent players but they don't have the physical size to make the game easier for everyone else. Serong averages 13 cp/g this year and Brayshaw 10. The other midfielders are O'Meara (6'0), Aish (6'0) plus whatever's left, but none of them are big midfielders. Brodie helped a lot when he was in form at points last year but has been struggling (and dropped) this year, Fyfe and Mundy could always make the job of others easier around the ball but they can't anymore and now they just can't get any drive from the contests. It's a bit like the Neale, Zorko, Lyons midfielders from Brisbane, where they always struggled in the tough games because they got beaten up with size around the ball. 

They've picked up some big midfielders in the last few drafts (Johnson and Erasmus) but neither have shown so far that they're going to be the answer. They also struggled last year to get consistent contests in the forward line from their big guys, and with Lobb and Logue moving on they are getting almost no aerial contest inside 50. Taberner has always been more of a leading forward, Jackson isn't that sort of player and Amiss is a kid. 

Freo are going to have to learn how to turn slow inside 50s into scores, as that's how they're set up at the moment. They shouldn't be as bad as they are at the moment but they've got an oddly constructed list with some big gaps that they need to be filled with few resources to fill them. It'll be an interesting journey. 

3 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

I think that the retirement of Mundy at the same time that Fyfe has stopped playing as a midfielder, has had a big impact on how Fremantle operates.

Mundy and Fyfe are both around 6'4 (~192cm), so they are big midfielders, and are contest winners with Mundy consistently averaging over 10 contested possessions a game (9 last year) and Fyfe averaging closer to 15 before injury and form issues recently. What these bigger bodies do is take the load off and make it easier for the smaller midfielders in the contest. 

By comparison, their spot as the top contest winners in the engine room has been taken by Serong (5'10 - 178cm) and Brayshaw (6'0 - 183cm). They're both excellent players but they don't have the physical size to make the game easier for everyone else. Serong averages 13 cp/g this year and Brayshaw 10. The other midfielders are O'Meara (6'0), Aish (6'0) plus whatever's left, but none of them are big midfielders. Brodie helped a lot when he was in form at points last year but has been struggling (and dropped) this year, Fyfe and Mundy could always make the job of others easier around the ball but they can't anymore and now they just can't get any drive from the contests. It's a bit like the Neale, Zorko, Lyons midfielders from Brisbane, where they always struggled in the tough games because they got beaten up with size around the ball. 

They've picked up some big midfielders in the last few drafts (Johnson and Erasmus) but neither have shown so far that they're going to be the answer. They also struggled last year to get consistent contests in the forward line from their big guys, and with Lobb and Logue moving on they are getting almost no aerial contest inside 50. Taberner has always been more of a leading forward, Jackson isn't that sort of player and Amiss is a kid. 

Freo are going to have to learn how to turn slow inside 50s into scores, as that's how they're set up at the moment. They shouldn't be as bad as they are at the moment but they've got an oddly constructed list with some big gaps that they need to be filled with few resources to fill them. It'll be an interesting journey. 

Good analysis Bob.

Added to the other factors several have mentioned, it all adds up to poorer team performance.

Their lack of wings seems to go under the radar

1 hour ago, biggestred said:

Jackson is 21

Darcy is 25

Give them 4 or 5 years and they could easily be the best ruck pairing in the comp.

You could be right - both look like they are enjoying a few too many burgers atm if you ask me 

What is Peter Bell's actual position at Freo. I see him on the TV with a regular weekly gig, I see him in the coaches box and in the quarter time huddles.

1 hour ago, Axis of Bob said:

I think that the retirement of Mundy at the same time that Fyfe has stopped playing as a midfielder, has had a big impact on how Fremantle operates.

Mundy and Fyfe are both around 6'4 (~192cm), so they are big midfielders, and are contest winners with Mundy consistently averaging over 10 contested possessions a game (9 last year) and Fyfe averaging closer to 15 before injury and form issues recently. What these bigger bodies do is take the load off and make it easier for the smaller midfielders in the contest. 

By comparison, their spot as the top contest winners in the engine room has been taken by Serong (5'10 - 178cm) and Brayshaw (6'0 - 183cm). They're both excellent players but they don't have the physical size to make the game easier for everyone else. Serong averages 13 cp/g this year and Brayshaw 10. The other midfielders are O'Meara (6'0), Aish (6'0) plus whatever's left, but none of them are big midfielders. Brodie helped a lot when he was in form at points last year but has been struggling (and dropped) this year, Fyfe and Mundy could always make the job of others easier around the ball but they can't anymore and now they just can't get any drive from the contests. It's a bit like the Neale, Zorko, Lyons midfielders from Brisbane, where they always struggled in the tough games because they got beaten up with size around the ball. 

They've picked up some big midfielders in the last few drafts (Johnson and Erasmus) but neither have shown so far that they're going to be the answer. They also struggled last year to get consistent contests in the forward line from their big guys, and with Lobb and Logue moving on they are getting almost no aerial contest inside 50. Taberner has always been more of a leading forward, Jackson isn't that sort of player and Amiss is a kid. 

Freo are going to have to learn how to turn slow inside 50s into scores, as that's how they're set up at the moment. They shouldn't be as bad as they are at the moment but they've got an oddly constructed list with some big gaps that they need to be filled with few resources to fill them. It'll be an interesting journey. 

David King made some good points this morning with Gerald 

Longmuir isn’t coaching to suit his list at present. They have cleared out too many solid players. They could fall off the cliff very quickly 

8 minutes ago, Sydee said:

You could be right - both look like they are enjoying a few too many burgers atm if you ask me 

Specially Darcy, compared to Grundy they are day and night.

 

3 hours ago, rpfc said:

Well they aren’t gruntled I can tell you that much.

I'm hoping they become completely ungruntled.

23 minutes ago, BradDemonSufferer said:

What is Peter Bell's actual position at Freo. I see him on the TV with a regular weekly gig, I see him in the coaches box and in the quarter time huddles.

HOE - Head of Everything

10 minutes ago, Action Jackson said:

HOE - Head of Everything

lol - or CFO Chief Feather Officer

4 hours ago, old55 said:

I'm hoping they become completely ungruntled.

 Not sure they’re insured for that

Edited April 11, 20232 yr by rpfc

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Their lack of wings seems to go under the radar

Another thing to thank Freo for

2 minutes ago, rpfc said:

 It sure they’re insured for that

maybe that would just discomgruntulate them even more?

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

maybe that would just discomgruntulate them even more?

You should move from Burwood to Oxford to get closer to the dictionary factory.

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

maybe that would just discomgruntulate them even more?

Oh it definitely would. 

The levels of discomgruntulation would be highest since 99.

*since Champion Data started to get that number