Welcome to Demonland Matthew Jefferson

[Colm 2,151]

Give him a run against the Suns in a few weeks. Be interesting to see how he would go on MacAndrew. 

[The Stigga 1,094]

'You were supposed to play Seniors at some stage, not languish in the reserves...!!!

[Axis of Bob 11,784]

 

1 hour ago, The Stigga said:

'You were supposed to play Seniors at some stage, not languish in the reserves...!!!

The funny thing is that Jeremy McGovern, the 4 time All Australian, didn’t even play seniors until he was 22 years old.

[whatwhat say what 22,732]

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

 

The funny thing is that Jeremy McGovern, the 4 time All Australian, didn’t even play seniors until he was 22 years old.

pffft, six-time all oztrayan tom stewart was 24 when he debuted

lazy buggers, one and all...

[Kent 2,909]

2 hours ago, old55 said:

I think the FD has a good record of knowing when players are ready.

You are joking right?

[Dave1711 145]

10 minutes ago, Kent said:

You are joking right?

We held Van Rooyen back for a year, seems it’s what we’re doing with Jefferson

[DubDee 25,805]

4 hours ago, The Stigga said:

Pick 15 and he hasn't played yet.

Unbelievable

you don't get a game based on draft number.  Jeffo has only in the past 6-7 games starting showing anything close to AFL form

Sparrow and Jordon both played zero games in their first 2 seasons.  LJ Kozzi Rivers played 40+.  Everyone is different.

[old55 23,531]

17 minutes ago, Kent said:

You are joking right?

No, they played Windsor straight away because they saw he was ready even though for example to me it looked like Kolt was far more ready at pre-season training, they held Kolt back until he played well in the midfield at Casey and he is doing well now.  They didn't play McVee in his first year when he looked miles off but played him round one in his second year when he had shown readiness on the back of a big pre-season.  They held back JVR in his first year and unleashed him when he was ready in his second year and he has been a continuous selection every since, unlike KPFs at other clubs who are in and out.  There are many other examples.

Perhaps you prefer the Jack Watts QB experience or Michael Tucks 100 games in the 2s  ...

[DeeZone 9,809]

Looking at Jefferson at the start of the year and seeing him now he has done a lot of growing physically and confidence wise. He is getting very close but do we risk him on such an important occasion, we have to beat the Weagles on Sunday, no ifs, buts or maybes.

[Demonstone 22,472]

5 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Sparrow and Jordon both played zero games in their first 2 seasons.

That's true for Jordon, but Sparrow debuted in his first year at the club.

As for Jeffo, he hasn't been selected yet as he clearly hasn't been ready for AFL level.

[DubDee 25,805]

2 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

That's true for Jordon, but Sparrow debuted in his first year at the club.

As for Jeffo, he hasn't been selected yet as he clearly hasn't been ready for AFL level.

oh right you are.  2 games in his first year

Jeffo came in very skinny so was always going to take time

[monoccular 17,418]

2 hours ago, The Stigga said:

'You were supposed to play Seniors at some stage, not languish in the reserves...!!!

Michael Tuck says hi.  Was it 3 years in Hawthorn Reserves then a record holder at the Hawks for total senior games?

23 minutes ago, DubDee said:

you don't get a game based on draft number.  Jeffo has only in the past 6-7 games starting showing anything close to AFL form

Sparrow and Jordon both played zero games in their first 2 seasons.  LJ Kozzi Rivers played 40+.  Everyone is different.

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[layzie 33,793]

The time will be right when it's right 

[Jaded No More 68,880]

I don’t see the rush. He is a skinny key position tall. Why no rush on Adams?

We can’t let our desperation ruin his development. He’s finally showing consistent form at Casey and that’s all you can ask of him this year. I remember every man and his dog wanted Roo to debut in 2022 and he was far more physically developed. 
Roo had plenty of time to develop physically and work on his game and therefore has been able to make consistent impact at senior level. 
 

I wish the same for Jefferson and I think 2025 will be his year to try and cement an AFL spot. 
If finals is out of question we may give him a game later in the season for a taste, but right now bringing him in is setting him up to fail. 

Edited July 4 by Jaded No More

[deanox 9,910]

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

I don’t see the rush. He is a skinny key position tall. Why no rush on Adams?

We can’t let our desperation ruin his development. He’s finally showing consistent form at Casey and that’s all you can ask of him this year. I remember every man and his dog wanted Roo to debut in 2022 and he was far more physically developed. 
Roo had plenty of time to develop physically and work on his game and therefore has been able to make consistent impact at senior level. 
 

I wish the same for Jefferson and I think 2025 will be his year to try and cement an AFL spot. 
If finals is out of question we may give him a game later in the season for a taste, but right now bringing him in is setting him up to fail. 

Nailed it JNM.

Jefferson is a long term prospect with plenty of talent, not a short term fix to any problems we are currently having.

He gains nothing by being outbodied at AFL level by stronger, more experiidefenders. At VFL level he can learn his craft and gain a lot of confidence.

A taste to reward him might come this year, but if not a 2025 debut is on the cards with a view to being an integral part of the forward line from 2026 onwards.

[binman 42,842]

1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

That's true for Jordon, but Sparrow debuted in his first year at the club.

As for Jeffo, he hasn't been selected yet as he clearly hasn't been ready for AFL level.

He's been miles off AFL ready to relatively recently, particularly in terms of fitness and second efforts.

And he's still a mile off.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,843]

Hibba played 34 games in the VFL b4 playing senior footy.

Edited July 4 by Queanbeyan Demon

[Redleg 40,889]

2 hours ago, layzie said:

The time will be right when it's right 

Very philosophical layzie.

[BAMF 4,345]

6 hours ago, Dave1711 said:

We held Van Rooyen back for a year, seems it’s what we’re doing with Jefferson

I heard a post match interview with JVR last year on the radio and he was asked about being held back in the VFL for his first year. He instantly answered that he wasn't ready aerobically for AFL level football.

[picket fence 17,131]

13 hours ago, binman said:

He's been miles off AFL ready to relatively recently, particularly in terms of fitness and second efforts.

And he's still a mile off.

Contradicts what Goodwin said a week or so ago, suggesting that he was very close!

[Redleg 40,889]

47 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Contradicts what Goodwin said a week or so ago, suggesting that he was very close!

I am a fan of Jeffo and have stuck fat.

The decisions for the FD are probably is there a spot atm, is he ready to go at senior level, would a poor debut hurt him mentally and set him back and is he better than others available, or more deserving of an opportunity.

Fullarton played in a final against us, plus other senior games, did ok and yet hasn’t got a game with us yet. Maybe this week will be his first.

I am sure we have spoken to Jeffo about his progress many times and hopefully he is on board.

Maybe he gets a game later or maybe another pre season is needed.

Whatever, I am hopeful he will make it and when he comes in, he stays in, rather than being not ready and disappointing and setting him back.

 

Edited July 4 by Redleg

[leave it to deever 17,511]

16 hours ago, old55 said:

No, they played Windsor straight away because they saw he was ready even though for example to me it looked like Kolt was far more ready at pre-season training, they held Kolt back until he played well in the midfield at Casey and he is doing well now.  They didn't play McVee in his first year when he looked miles off but played him round one in his second year when he had shown readiness on the back of a big pre-season.  They held back JVR in his first year and unleashed him when he was ready in his second year and he has been a continuous selection every since, unlike KPFs at other clubs who are in and out.  There are many other examples.

Perhaps you prefer the Jack Watts QB experience or Michael Tucks 100 games in the 2s  ...

Blimey, a well reasoned argument on Demonland.

What's going on?

[binman 42,842]

18 hours ago, binman said:

He's been miles off AFL ready to relatively recently, particularly in terms of fitness and second efforts.

And he's still a mile off.

The other thing I'd add, is the calls for Jeffo to be selected are in stark contrast to what seemed to be the consensus on this thread only a couple of months ago thst he wasn't going to make it at AFL level.

And I'd also note that selecting melk,  a senior, seasoned AFL player, first up after nearly 12 months out, rather than Jefferson  cuts against the idea that goody had given up on this years and planning for 2025 (eg by 'playing the kids').

[Adam The God 30,214]

52 minutes ago, binman said:

The other thing I'd add, is the calls for Jeffo to be selected are in stark contrast to what seemed to be the consensus on this thread only a couple of months ago thst he wasn't going to make it at AFL level.

And I'd also note that selecting melk,  a senior, seasoned AFL player, first up after nearly 12 months out, rather than Jefferson  cuts against the idea that goody had given up on this years and planning for 2025 (eg by 'playing the kids').

I think Goody knows we need a seasoned body in the front half that is going to help bring the ball to ground and can stop their interceptors from cleaning up back there.

Without Petty and given the opposition, I can see why the FD have gone with Melksham, but I think Jefferson is close and will play this year.

[Cranky Franky 2,049]

Until about 8 weeks ago I thought he was another Lucas Cook & would never make it.

Since then I have been pleasantly surprised by his improvement. If he keeps that form up he should be a big chance to debut.