12 hours ago, 58er said:

The trouble Picket some posters ( eg Mach 5) want the finished product of a draftee at 18/19 and also concentrate on some alleged or minor defects which most often can be developed or trained for.  
MY previous post on why we should embrace and take MJ sums up his good points snd I believe he has the attributes as a base of a very good footballer and also the odd elite trick that separates him from  C/ B grader like Sam Weid. 

In fairness,  I'm pretty sure Pickett is very pro MJ. And vocal, (sic)

8 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

In fairness,  I'm pretty sure Pickett is very pro MJ. And vocal, (sic)

Yes he is LFS 

On 11/21/2022 at 2:05 PM, 58er said:

To all the doubters and supporters who have commented on Matthew Jefferson I offer the following comments following his highlights stats and career that has been covered by the gurus and "experts" alike.

1. Cadman is NOT going to be available and MJ is clearly the second best KPF on his record in Junior and Championship ( National ) footy so far.

2. Matthew has put on 8 kgs and about 3 cms since his first stats about 9/12 mths ago.

3. He like most of the top 15/20 draftees speaks very/surely and  confidently about himself indicating a degree of belief based on a good grounding on the forward line so far.

4. Regarding Lucas Cook and comparisons once again he like Wattsy was expected to be a saviour, almost lone handed. JVR and MJ have the benefit of if fit and available Tmac BBB Gawny Brodie and Fritta plus a plethora of mids and smalls playing forward to learn and develop plus our superior coaching at the Club now.

5. If you say that MJ is only being selected as being the next in line for FF and we should delay our selection till Mr Right comes along he is clearly 2nd best and has a number of skills that make good forwards. That is good mark good lead good kick ( record is  fine for the one poster who knocked this) and he is ripe for further development already maturing in size. 

6. To be a good KPF you need to be a good rounded player with some tricks and to me looking at his highlights he has got some X factor as well these tricks which makes him a potentially good AFL player. Of course how he handles expectation and pressure are vital factors to be proven.

7. JVR came to us with his package of ability to play at KPF or KPD and has started well and been a very good contributor at Casey  who excites us with his potential. Because we didn't know about him as much he has not got the grilling Matthew is getting. We are accepting of him as we have seen some real evidence at Casey that he could be a  good/great Demon on the forward line.

8. There is no way knowing if  MJ will fulfil his draft potential but he looks a "good footballer" to me and I Will back JT and the FD to select him as we need some young forwards to blossom with our other stars to be confident of some success over the next 5 plus years. Recruiting good footballers ensures you have a choice of options in a team that their ability can break games apart with their talent.  MJ I have the feeling is this.

PS David Schwarz always looked a good footballer in 1991/2 in the Reserves and JVR and Bowser to me are similar at the Dees from Casey form and Bowers first 20 plus AFL games. MJ's highlights are indicative of a player with football gifts that may well separate himself from others and become an elite Demon forward. 

Go forth and select JT and company and good luck. 

 

Excellent points 58er. Back JT in.

Fox footy article.

Star Oakleigh Chargers goalkicker Matt Jefferson continues to be linked to Melbourne’s first selection, however the Demons have been proactive in flagging trades with other teams over recent weeks.

 

 

The Eagles can sod off.

Edited November 23, 20222 yr by Bombay Airconditioning

12 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

The Eagles can sod off.

Why? If they take him, it might leave another player in line for selection who we could prefer.

2 hours ago, adonski said:

 

 

It could be a red-herring planted by WCE to get us to take him @ #13 instead of Allen or Hewett, making it more likely they get at least 3 of the 4 WA players ranked by Twomey in the top 15 (Ginbey, Hewett, Allen and Busslinger) with their picks 8, 12 and 20.

Lots of ducks and drakes being played out...

I get the feeling the Eagles are targeting two of: Ginbey, Busslinger and Allen. With Essendon apparently leaning to taking Phillipou, Ginbey is a greater chance of getting to their pick. But I don't think Busslinger gets past both the Blues and Western Bulldogs, and multiple clubs looking at Allen starting with the Cats, so there is a reasonable chance that Jefferson will be their highest preference with pick 12. This would suggest the Eagles value Jefferson ahead of Hewett, but just the go-home risk factor of a long term forward prospect to weigh up. 

On 11/22/2022 at 6:04 AM, Mach5 said:

I think Jefferson has a chance to slide into the 20s... and we still wouldn’t take him. I just don’t think he has demonstrated he has the tricks to justify such an early pick. Nice hands, nice kick, tall... what else? 

not from WA

6 minutes ago, BigMacjnr said:

I get the feeling the Eagles are targeting two of: Ginbey, Busslinger and Allen. With Essendon apparently leaning to taking Phillipou, Ginbey is a greater chance of getting to their pick. But I don't think Busslinger gets past both the Blues and Western Bulldogs, and multiple clubs looking at Allen starting with the Cats, so there is a reasonable chance that Jefferson will be their highest preference with pick 12. This would suggest the Eagles value Jefferson ahead of Hewett, but just the go-home risk factor of a long term forward prospect to weigh up. 

If Ess take Phillipou at #4, Tsatas will slide setting off a domino effect for other highly touted top 10 players:  Humphrey, Clark, Ginbey, Mackenzie, Hollands and will be looked at by Hawks, Saints, Carlton and WBD making it more likely that two or all three of the other WA players slide into the 12 - 20 range where WCE  have pick 12 and 20.  .

WCE first pick is #8 and Twomey has them taking Gibney. 

On 11/22/2022 at 6:04 AM, Mach5 said:

I think Jefferson has a chance to slide into the 20s... and we still wouldn’t take him. I just don’t think he has demonstrated he has the tricks to justify such an early pick. Nice hands, nice kick, tall... what else? 

What do you want from a forward?

Not overly blown away by this guy.

Many of his goals from his highlights package came from either “Joe the Gooses” or from close range set shots. Furthermore, a lot of his goals came from just the one game at Icon Park Vs WA.

On the flip side, we need another capable  key forward to develop and hopefully partner JVR when T Mac and BBB finish up. Therefore I’ll be happy if we select him.

On 11/23/2022 at 1:11 AM, Left Foot Snap said:

In fairness,  I'm pretty sure Pickett is very pro MJ. And vocal, (sic)

If you all dont know me by now I am a love or hate man!

22 minutes ago, picket fence said:

If you all dont know me by now I am a love or hate man!

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After hearing Jason Taylor I didn't exactly feel that we are fully on the Jefferson band wagon. 

Sounds like it'll be best available for pick 13 with then attention turned to a needs pick for pick 38 which sounds like where where'll go for a potential key forward.

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

After hearing Jason Taylor I didn't exactly feel that we are fully on the Jefferson band wagon. 

Sounds like it'll be best available for pick 13 with then attention turned to a needs pick for pick 38 which sounds like where where'll go for a potential key forward.

I can see us doing a deal with GWS to get 2 picks inside 20 and giving them 13 as part of the deal. See my post on Dees Trade Thread for my possible scenario, if you are interested.

Eagles may rue the Rioli deal where they gave up him and pick 2 for pics 8, 12, a F2 (Port) and F3 (Port) as GCS seem quite keen on Gibney who by all accounts WCE were going to take at pick 8.  But that could be posturing by the Suns

Eagles got an extra 1st round pick but it was a big slide from 2 to 8 when it was known there are 'player' cliffs around pick 5/6 and another around 9/10.

So they may take Jefferson at 12!

If we pass on Jefferson I wonder if we take Keeler at our next pick, currently 37.

6 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Not overly blown away by this guy.

Many of his goals from his highlights package came from either “Joe the Gooses” or from close range set shots. Furthermore, a lot of his goals came from just the one game at Icon Park Vs WA.

On the flip side, we need another capable  key forward to develop and hopefully partner JVR when T Mac and BBB finish up. Therefore I’ll be happy if we select him.

This has some TAC Oakleigh Chargers footage, his marking is a highlight. As for his kicking (I can only go off the two highlights videos on utube), he slots them from different angles and ranges, let’s not forget how bad at times goal kicking was from out team last season.

Jefferson is a key forward who hits the scoreboard regularly and finds ways to tally shots on goal. He was named an All-Australian in the under-18 championships, with his seven-goal haul against Western Australia a memorable day out for Vic Metro, and he converts his opportunities with a minimum of fuss and a reliable goalkicking routine.

 

Great pick

 

Jefferson, Jefferson, Jefferson Ford