Dees considering big trade plays

[durango 2,007]

Jimmy Toumpas was nowhere near as good as Nick Daicos in his U18 year and anybody who thinks so are disrespecting Nick Daicos.

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

5 minutes ago, durango said:

Jimmy Toumpas was nowhere near as good as Nick Daicos in his U18 year and anybody who thinks so are disrespecting Nick Daicos.

Daicos did more in his first half of AFL footy than Toumpas did his whole career. No dig at Toumpas, some just aren’t made for AFL. Daicos is.

[adonski 12,079]

We've offered 3 firsts for 4 & 22

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by adonski

[DeeSpencer 25,684]

Come on Essendon. You know you want it 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,826]

7 minutes ago, adonski said:

We've offered 3 firsts for 4 & 22

3 likely teens picks for 4 and 22 is ok by me. I’m curious who JT is targeting though. 

[Matt 424]

8 minutes ago, adonski said:

We've offered 3 firsts for 4 & 22

I hope they bite!

[adonski 12,079]

1 minute ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

3 likely teens picks for 4 and 22 is ok by me. I’m curious who JT is targeting though. 

Fox Footy originally said it was for the Poo when the made our first offer

[Redleg 40,903]

9 minutes ago, adonski said:

We've offered 3 firsts for 4 & 22

Wow, that is a hell of a lot of love for Phillipou, I presume.

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

On 11/25/2022 at 8:58 PM, Redleg said:

Courtesy of a newly made AFL rule,  that will allowed Taswegians automatic return home, with a pick 50 compo to the affected team.

Especially made for us after two consecutive flags

[adonski 12,079]

Could it be Humphrey who we're set on, not the Poo? And we want to get one pick in front of Gold Coast?

We could potentially offer the same pick package for picks 5 & 25 to Gold Coast, assuming Essendon do select Tsatas as per Twomey's phantom draft, and still have the Poo available, but Essendon are the only ones we seem to have offered it to.

Edited November 27, 2022 by adonski

[kryton101 395]

On 11/22/2022 at 2:39 PM, Grouse said:

 

 

 

‘Surge’? I guess after that we can then we can either pounce or swoop….

Edited November 27, 2022 by kryton101

[John Demonic 5,792]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Come on Essendon. You know you want it 

"Weigh it up" Sleeper Agent Mahoney. Just don't go round windy hil flashing that new jaguar 

[Grouse 192]

[Petracca 66]

Another player in whom Melbourne have shown interest is West Adelaide ruckman Harry Barnett. Some talk around that they could trade up to get him.

https://t.co/E9n51nSFXK @codeaflau

[Adam The God 30,228]

 I love the aggressive trading and I love that we seem to have put out there a net of at least 5 or 6 players "Melbourne are really interested in" to keep everyone guessing.

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

Toumpas is a pimple on the [censored] of Daicos. Daicos is a gun Toumpas was a dud. He was a dud at Port too. Everyone has a go at our culture back then but I think they were just poor picks. Prendergast will go down as one of the poorest recruiters of all time.

[bing181 9,219]

16 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Toumpas is a pimple on the [censored] of Daicos. Daicos is a gun Toumpas was a dud. He was a dud at Port too. Everyone has a go at our culture back then but I think they were just poor picks. Prendergast will go down as one of the poorest recruiters of all time.

Toumpas wasn't a poor pick, it just turned out that the 18 year old Jimmy was a good as it got. No-one has a crystal ball on 18 year olds and their football careers. Here's "Draft Guru" Callum Twomey back in the day:

4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas
Height: 182cm
Weight: 78kg
DOB: 12/01/94
Club: Woodville-West Torrens
Draft range: 2-5
The Demons snare Toumpas at pick four, despite the South Australian being touted a top-three prospect for most of the year. And they'll love him, too, with his class, poise and goalkicking skills excellent for a midfielder. He had an interrupted season with a niggling hip injury, which required surgery at the end of the year, but he'll be fine for the club's pre-season and for next year. Announced himself as a draft pick in this sort of range late last year, when he starred for SANFL side Woodville-West Torrens as they charged to the league premiership. Has excellent leadership qualities that were on show as captain of his state this season, and some already see him growing into an AFL captain.

Edited November 27, 2022 by bing181

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

17 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Toumpas wasn't a poor pick, it just turned out that the 18 year old Jimmy was a good as it got. No-one has a crystal ball on 18 year olds and their football careers. Here's "Draft Guru" Callum Twomey back in the day:

4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas
Height: 182cm
Weight: 78kg
DOB: 12/01/94
Club: Woodville-West Torrens
Draft range: 2-5
The Demons snare Toumpas at pick four, despite the South Australian being touted a top-three prospect for most of the year. And they'll love him, too, with his class, poise and goalkicking skills excellent for a midfielder. He had an interrupted season with a niggling hip injury, which required surgery at the end of the year, but he'll be fine for the club's pre-season and for next year. Announced himself as a draft pick in this sort of range late last year, when he starred for SANFL side Woodville-West Torrens as they charged to the league premiership. Has excellent leadership qualities that were on show as captain of his state this season, and some already see him growing into an AFL captain.

He got picked on 6 months of performances. He was injured for half the year and the year before that he wasn't even in the state side. Toumpas and Trengove got picked on SANFL performances which was a mistake. Martin and Wines were ready made players in hindsight we should have picked them, but in the end it worked out fine because if we picked up Martin and Wines we wouldn't have Trac or Clarry.

[Lord Travis 10,729]

58 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Toumpas is a pimple on the [censored] of Daicos. Daicos is a gun Toumpas was a dud. He was a dud at Port too. Everyone has a go at our culture back then but I think they were just poor picks. Prendergast will go down as one of the poorest recruiters of all time.

Toumpas didn’t work out, but it was most definitely due to poor culture and poor development, and less so due to poor recruitment. You cannot select that many players at the top end of the draft and have them all fail. Pure statistics say you’d nail at least something. The problem has since been proven to be culture and development. So many of those youngsters started their careers brightly, only to go backwards at a rate of knots. 

18 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

He got picked on 6 months of performances. He was injured for half the year and the year before that he wasn't even in the state side. Toumpas and Trengove got picked on SANFL performances which was a mistake. Martin and Wines were ready made players in hindsight we should have picked them, but in the end it worked out fine because if we picked up Martin and Wines we wouldn't have Trac or Clarry.

Wines obviously had a better career than Toumpas, but the part about attentive is incorrect and revisionist. Trengove dominated underage level, captained his side and won a SANFL grand final off his own boot. He was ready made and was superior to Dusty at underage level. He was the equal to or better than Dusty in his first two years. His first few seasons at AFL level were superior to any player currently on our list bar Oliver. He was, put simply, one of the best young players we’ve had this century. Unfortunately injury ruined him, and being stuck in rehab for years on end at a [censored] club like ours at the time wouldn’t have helped. I feel for Trengove as he is one player who could’ve been a star of the competition, but was unlucky with injury and being drafted to a poor club with bad culture and development. He was not a recruiting mistake.

All worked out in the end though as we got others into the club and won a flag! 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Lord Travis

[WERRIDEE 5,473]

3 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Toumpas didn’t work out, but it was most definitely due to poor culture and poor development, and less so due to poor recruitment. You cannot select that many players at the top end of the draft and have them all fail. Pure statistics say you’d nail at least something. The problem has since been proven to be culture and development. So many of those youngsters started their careers brightly, only to go backwards at a rate of knots. 

Wines obviously had a better career than Toumpas, but the part about attentive is incorrect and revisionist. Trengove dominated underage level, captained his side and won a SANFL grand final off his own boot. He was ready made and was superior to Dusty at underage level. He was the equal to or better than Dusty in his first two years. His first few seasons at AFL level were superior to any player currently on our list bar Oliver. He was, put simply, one of the best young players we’ve had this century. Unfortunately injury ruined him, and being stuck in rehab for years on end at a [censored] club like ours at the time wouldn’t have helped. I feel for Trengove as he is one player who could’ve been a star of the competition, but was unlucky with injury and being drafted to a poor club with bad culture and development. He was not a recruiting mistake.

All worked out in the end though as we got others into the club and won a flag! 

Trengove's other problem was he wasn't a clearance player he couldn't get his own ball while Martin could.

[Lord Travis 10,729]

4 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Trengove's other problem was he wasn't a clearance player he couldn't get his own ball while Martin could.

Incorrect. He was well rounded both inside and outside, and in his second year was averaging four clearances and 9 contested possessions a game - same as Martin. No point continuing line of discussion though as it’s derailing the thread.

Interesting how many stories have come out about us trying to trade up. It’s really a shame we weren’t able to get more out of the Jackson compo. Having a teen pick and two likely teen picks next year isn’t the best stock to try and land a top 5 pick. I’ll be surprised if any clubs bite. If we can trade up, I’d hope it’s with North to get us Sheezel. We need forward half weapons and he looks the best of them.

[rpfc 28,391]

I wouldn’t do this deal if I was Dodoro. 3 picks in the teens for ND4… but let’s hope incompetence and a desire to death rise us and Freo wins out.

Kind of looking forward to The Great Fremantle Death Ride 2023 tho…

[picket fence 17,146]

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

Toumpas wasn't a poor pick, it just turned out that the 18 year old Jimmy was a good as it got. No-one has a crystal ball on 18 year olds and their football careers. Here's "Draft Guru" Callum Twomey back in the day:

4. Melbourne - Jimmy Toumpas
Height: 182cm
Weight: 78kg
DOB: 12/01/94
Club: Woodville-West Torrens
Draft range: 2-5
The Demons snare Toumpas at pick four, despite the South Australian being touted a top-three prospect for most of the year. And they'll love him, too, with his class, poise and goalkicking skills excellent for a midfielder. He had an interrupted season with a niggling hip injury, which required surgery at the end of the year, but he'll be fine for the club's pre-season and for next year. Announced himself as a draft pick in this sort of range late last year, when he starred for SANFL side Woodville-West Torrens as they charged to the league premiership. Has excellent leadership qualities that were on show as captain of his state this season, and some already see him growing into an AFL captain.

No, he wasn't a poor pick he was a F@#%*€G POOR pick, shocking in fact!

[58er 6,428]

On 11/25/2022 at 7:58 PM, DeeSpencer said:

JT talked about addressing multiple needs with our picks, more than just a tall forward, and Ryan would certainly provide cover for the loss of Hunt and replace Hibbo long term as a medium defender. We could do with that combination of speed, run and good height for a flanker. Could be a wing option too.

I don’t think a skinny frame would prevent him being ready to push his case quickly given his role, so he’d be a fun pick up. 

We have Riv whose form ( mainly due to racing back into the team too early)  took half a season for good form.

Riv Will star in 2023 but another flanker of size is still a good option but this year I would concentrate on forwards who can kick goals especially finishing ones!

[Neil Crompton 5,535]

Can’t understand why we are persisting to talk about Jimmy Toumpas in this thread. How is he relevant to this?