This thread again ... 2023 Edition.

 

Summary anyone.. please.

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Summary anyone.. please.

BB had surgery to clean up a knee injury he carried last season. Not likely to resume full training until after Xmas. 

Grundy set to complete full preseason.

Wouldn't be assuming we get much output from BBB going forward - Goodwin has said more than once he will have ongoing knee issues to manage for the remainder of his playing days

I suspect this isn't a fix but part of the ongoing maintenance regime

My sense is that if we are still reliant on him being our main tall target inside F50 in 2023 we have not improved - I remain hopeful that one of the following can happen

- JVR has a massive summer and performs at the highest level consistently 

- H Petty is used as a tall forward

- Either Grundy or Gawn (or both) can have a meaningful impact in the F50 

- J Smith trains as a forward over summer, stays fit and surprises everyone with 40+ goals (yes, I know this one is a bit out there 😀)

15 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Wouldn't be assuming we get much output from BBB going forward - Goodwin has said more than once he will have ongoing knee issues to manage for the remainder of his playing days

I suspect this isn't a fix but part of the ongoing maintenance regime

My sense is that if we are still reliant on him being our main tall target inside F50 in 2023 we have not improved - I remain hopeful that one of the following can happen

- JVR has a massive summer and performs at the highest level consistently 

- H Petty is used as a tall forward

- Either Grundy or Gawn (or both) can have a meaningful impact in the F50 

- J Smith trains as a forward over summer, stays fit and surprises everyone with 40+ goals (yes, I know this one is a bit out there 😀)

Or Josh Schache* surprises everyone and becomes a real KPF option.

*Is that spelled correctly or in the great tradition of Demonland, have I stuffed up a player's surname completely? 

Using the real estate analogy, it's not how he starts but how he finishes. So long as he comes good for the finals (as in 2021) we will be OK.

If not, then we have the opportunity to find and develop alternatives who are likely to be need for 2024.

4 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Or Josh Schache* surprises everyone and becomes a real KPF option.

*Is that spelled correctly or in the great tradition of Demonland, have I stuffed up a player's surname completely? 

...In the great tradition of demonland you'll know quickly if you have  ;-)

 

I feel like the club knows Brown is only capable of 12-14 games a year now.

I’m using this assumption to fuel my theory that Petty will play as a forward in 2023.

Honestly given his output last season I’d be really worried if the match committee were relying on him being our main focal point up forward. 

I like Petty in defence but I really would like there to be a serious consideration for playing him as a permanent forward. 

48 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Or Josh Schache* surprises everyone and becomes a real KPF option.

*Is that spelled correctly or in the great tradition of Demonland, have I stuffed up a player's surname completely? 

You will have to try harder, you got it right.

55 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Or Josh Schache* surprises everyone and becomes a real KPF option.

*Is that spelled correctly or in the great tradition of Demonland, have I stuffed up a player's surname completely? 

Wake up. Stop dreaming.

49 minutes ago, tiers said:

Using the real estate analogy, it's not how he starts but how he finishes. So long as he comes good for the finals (as in 2021) we will be OK.

If not, then we have the opportunity to find and develop alternatives who are likely to be need for 2024.

You could be right tiers nurse him through the early part of the year and have him ready for the run home, we can only hope.!!

20 minutes ago, Jontee said:

You will have to try harder, you got it right.

actually it is joshua!   😂 🤣 😆

42 minutes ago, Pates said:

Honestly given his output last season I’d be really worried if the match committee were relying on him being our main focal point up forward. 

I like Petty in defence but I really would like there to be a serious consideration for playing him as a permanent forward. 

Either way, during the season we need to find out over several games if Petty can play forward and Turner can hold down a key back position. The beauty being this can happen in the same games. Let's not wait until the last 5 minutes of the season again. 

34 minutes ago, dl4e said:

Wake up. Stop dreaming.

'Tis the season for dreaming.

Let's move the backs to the forward line and then when our new backs aren't stopping goals we send fritch jvr and Grundy to the back line. We then play bbb in the ruck because he isn't kicking goals and leave Max forward. 

2 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I feel like the club knows Brown is only capable of 12-14 games a year now.

I’m using this assumption to fuel my theory that Petty will play as a forward in 2023.

Maybe, but when has Goody ever thought that of any player, and not squeezed every ounce of juice from them in a single season? (that was a bad analogy)

Edited November 15, 20222 yr by John Demonic

1 hour ago, Palace Dees said:

Either way, during the season we need to find out over several games if Petty can play forward and Turner can hold down a key back position. The beauty being this can happen in the same games. Let's not wait until the last 5 minutes of the season again. 

Urgh don’t get me started on that. 

I’d like to see Petty remain in the back half of the ground. Our backline is our strength.  If it’s not broken, don’t stuff around with it. 

Rather see (hope) that JVR is part of the solution for the forward line along with a well ‘player managed’ BBB.

 …..and better delivery / connectivity coming from / with the mids 

Edited November 15, 20222 yr by Wodjathefirst
Additional paragraph!

6 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

I’d like to see Petty remain in the back half of the ground. Our backline is our strength.  If it’s not broken, don’t stuff around with it. 

Rather see (hope) that JVR is part of the solution for the forward line along with a well ‘player managed’ BBB.

…………………and / or TMac.

Whoops, totally forgot about TMac!! (my bad)

1 hour ago, Wodjathefirst said:

I’d like to see Petty remain in the back half of the ground. Our backline is our strength.  If it’s not broken, don’t stuff around with it. 

Rather see (hope) that JVR is part of the solution for the forward line along with a well ‘player managed’ BBB.

 …..and better delivery / connectivity coming from / with the mids 

I'm not necessarily advocating Petty as a permanent forward, I just want to know if he is a viable plan B if needed. Currently we don't have enough evidence.  I like the look of JVR at Casey and by all means, play him so we know, but I rather he not think we are totally reliant upon him. Let him develop naturally. It then allows Turner to be given his opportunity also. Without injury, it would be hard for him to get picked before May/Lever/Petty but he deserves his chance.

There is such a thing as being too safe. We need the flexibility when required, as it will be.

I find this suggestion of throwing Petty forward just bizarre. It only weakens our backline. Heck, if we really want to solve the KPF question we could just go the whole hog and move Steven May down there.

2 hours ago, bing181 said:

I find this suggestion of throwing Petty forward just bizarre. It only weakens our backline. Heck, if we really want to solve the KPF question we could just go the whole hog and move Steven May down there.

Agree, but then I'd actually like to see that done too on occasion.  If we're behind early in the last and need to kick a bunch of goals to get back in the game with a forward line that's struggled to kick goals all game, then I think pinch hitting either of these guys up forward would be worth a shot.

I recall that game 2020 (against Freo I think) when we through May forward, he kicked a succession of goals and we nearly pinched the game back.  Maysie can be an absolute weapon on his day up forward.  Would have got us into finals that year had we got over the line.

But overall I agree that Petty to FF is too much robbing Peter to pay Paul.  We'd only be that injury to May away from swinging Petty back down the backline and at the same time taking away or key forward and destabilize both ends of the ground.  Disco could be a solid option down back one day, but I'd be very surprised if he's close to Petty and May's standard just yet - give the guy a few years to build his game and body like we did with Petty.